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[wizardryforever]

25ryanator wrote...

To get a star to deliberately go supernova would require massive ammounts of energy and mass to push a star to the supernova threshold and it would take a long time to do that. But the Reapers seem quite capable of doing that in a reasonable amount of time.But there are many things that could go wrong during the process and after such as,the star reaches the threshold too quickly before the Reapers can get to a safe distance,the star might reach the threshold but fail to go supernova,the star might go supernova but fail to create any element zero at all and finally the Reapers might expend all their energy and the star won't reach the threshold and go supernova.So alot of things could go wrong and the Reapers will be back at square one.

That's another problem with this theory.  The Reapers would be expending some severe energy to create mass effect fields large enough to push the mass of the star past the supernova point.  Would such an artificial supernova even create eezo in sufficient quantity to be worth that massive energy cost?  This is along with the fact that there are other, bigger stars that would require less manipulation to go supernova.  Why not use them?  And as I've already said, there are plenty of "primary" sources of eezo that are virtually untapped already in existence.  Why not use them?  This whole "eezo farming" theory just doesn't work on many levels.

The Reapers are the most likely culprit from what we've seen so far, we just don't know why they would do this.

[111987]

GETH1183 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

111987 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

GETH1183 wrote...

Did we all forget about the Alpha Relay from Arrival? Dr. Kenson mentioned that if certain controls were adjusted on the Alpha Relay, it was possible to send one directly to the Citadel or Earth. We theorize that Nazara manipulated the controls for the Iera system's mass relay in order to attack the Citadel by surprise. Without Nazara to return the mass relay to normal functionality, the excess dark energy produced has affected the interior of Dholen.

Possibly, but how would a Relay in Batarian space affect a star in the Far Rim? Any dark energy produced would travel at sub-FTL speeds, so would take millenia to reach Dholen. The chance of all the energy going to that specific point is pretty small as well.

Not necessarily.  Assuming that Dark Energy is anything like the hypothetical Negative Energy that physicists now believe exists, it might cause hyper-spatial infaltion and that can be (and often is) FTL.  To wit, information (including mass-energy transfer) can't travel faster than light, but distortions in space-time itself (and Dark Energy and the mass effect might be exactly this) can and often do.

-Polaris

That doesn't explain why all the dark energy would all travel to one random, lone star nowhere close to the main hub of galactic civilization.

Oh, I wasn't trying to justify the rubber science in Mass Effect.  I was only pointing out that it's a mistake to assume that "Dark Energy" is limited to sub-light speeds (esp when it enables FTL travel).

-Polaris

We are not suggesting the Alpha Relay had anything to do with Dholen's rapid rate of decay. We only suggested that with the information about the Alpha Relay and the capability of traveling directly to the Citadel could be used on other mass relays. Assuming Nazara used that function on Iera system's mass relay to attack the Citadel without the Citadel Fleet recieving a warring prior, then we could assume only Nazara and the other Old Machines knew how to use the  feature. With the destruction of Nazara and the Old Machine invasion impeded, there were no Old Machines capable of returning the mass relay in the Iera system back to normal functionality. We did not say the Alpha Relay had anything to do directly with Dholen's rapid aging.

That theory would work if Dholen had only just started aging. It's been progressing through it's 'life' at too fast a pace for centuries.

Modifié par 111987, 01 novembre 2011 - 07:07 .

[Dreadcall]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

There is no real life example of one kind of energy being put through an element and emerging as a different kind of energy without the element being affected. There must be a catalyst for the process to occur, and the catalyst here is the element zero. Otherwise, when you put electrcity across eezo you'd just get electricity back. Converting energy requires 3 things - the input, the energy to convert it, and the output. The input here is electricity but the energy required to convert this is the chemical energy of eezo; the output obviously being dark energy.

Electricity cannot be magically converted into another form of energy without some other input. If eezo doesn't provide any input into the process then why is it required at all? It isn't doing anything. What you're saying is that electricity goes into eexo, dark matter comes out, but the eezo is unchanged. Firstly, how does that process work and secondly if the eezo is unchanged then why is it needed in the first place - it hasn't done anything.

Why the hell would you have a real life example for what the made up element that actually is there for the sole reason of "explaining" stuff that should not happen does? 

[Candidate 88766]

Dreadcall wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

There is no real life example of one kind of energy being put through an element and emerging as a different kind of energy without the element being affected. There must be a catalyst for the process to occur, and the catalyst here is the element zero. Otherwise, when you put electrcity across eezo you'd just get electricity back. Converting energy requires 3 things - the input, the energy to convert it, and the output. The input here is electricity but the energy required to convert this is the chemical energy of eezo; the output obviously being dark energy.

Electricity cannot be magically converted into another form of energy without some other input. If eezo doesn't provide any input into the process then why is it required at all? It isn't doing anything. What you're saying is that electricity goes into eexo, dark matter comes out, but the eezo is unchanged. Firstly, how does that process work and secondly if the eezo is unchanged then why is it needed in the first place - it hasn't done anything.

Why the hell would you have a real life example for what the made up element that actually is there for the sole reason of "explaining" stuff that should not happen does? 

I've already conceded I was wrong here, several pages ago.

[25ryanator]

Maybe the Reapers have some sort of machine with hyper-advanced technology build into it and the Reapers are using it to deliberately accelerate the ageing of Dholen to reach the threshold to make Dholen go supernova and create element zero for the Reapers and future organic species to use.I'm not saying this is why Dholen is ageing so fast it's just a theory.

Modifié par 25ryanator, 02 novembre 2011 - 03:08 .

[111987]

25ryanator wrote...

Maybe the Reapers have some sort of machine with hyper-advanced technology build into it and the Reapers are using it to deliberately accelerate the ageing of Dholen to reach the threshold to make Dholen go supernova and create element zero for the Reapers and future organic species to use.I'm not saying this is why Dholen is ageing so fast it's just a theory.

I think people have said that Dholen is too small to go supernova.

[25ryanator]

Maybe the answers to the mystery of Dholen's accelerated ageing will be found at some point in Mass Effect 3.i'm not saying that will happen but it might do.

Modifié par 25ryanator, 02 novembre 2011 - 03:58 .

[25ryanator]

Here's a wild but interesting theory maybe the Reapers have some sort of machine that works like a miniature version of the Rakatan Star Forge from the original Knights of the old Republic since the Star Forge took matter straight from the star it was orbiting  and used the matter taken from the star to make starships,droids,armor and weapons for the Sith.Maybe the Reapers have something similar to the Star Forge except it is a miniature version and the Reapers are using it to take matter from Dholen and coverting the matter taken from Dholen into element zero.Given that the Reapers are a hyper-advanced machine race of starships it is possible that is what is causing Dholen to age faster than normal.It's just a theory i have.

Modifié par 25ryanator, 02 novembre 2011 - 07:06 .

[25ryanator]

Lets just wait until Mass Effect 3 and maybe we will find the answers.

[25ryanator]

I'm calling for all who are posting on this thread to have a say on wether I request the Bioware Social administrators close this thread because everyone seems to have stopped posting on this thread and logic says that if no one is posting on a thread anymore it makes sense  to close that thread.If the majority want the thread to stay open i will not request the bioware social administrators close this thread,if the majority want the thread to be close i will request that the bioware social administrators close this thread.

Modifié par 25ryanator, 23 novembre 2011 - 05:59 .

[Candidate 88766]

25ryanator wrote...

I'm calling for all who are posting on this thread to have a say on wether I request the Bioware Social administrators close this thread because everyone seems to have stopped posting on this thread and logic says that if no one is posting on a thread anymore it makes sense  to close that thread.If the majority want the thread to stay open i will not request the bioware social administrators close this thread,if the majority want the thread to be close i will request that the bioware social administrators close this thread.

The thread sort of ended with a resounding 'maybe', so there isn't a huge amount ot discussion value left. Although could you not have just left it instead of reviving it after like 3 weeks?

[CptBomBom00]

So I see, someone resurrected this thread.

[YNation913]

Travie wrote...

I like the theory that its the use of Mass Effect technology itself that is leading to the buildup of dark energy, would make it interesting if in the end they all had to give up the ability to reach other solar systems.

Mass Effect tech has been around at least as long as the Reapers have, though. Why would it suddenly be an environmental hazard?

[111987]

YNation913 wrote...

Travie wrote...

I like the theory that its the use of Mass Effect technology itself that is leading to the buildup of dark energy, would make it interesting if in the end they all had to give up the ability to reach other solar systems.

Mass Effect tech has been around at least as long as the Reapers have, though. Why would it suddenly be an environmental hazard?

And why would it only effect one random star, which isn't even close to a place where eezoo useage is heavy or common?

[Someone With Mass]

YNation913 wrote...

Mass Effect tech has been around at least as long as the Reapers have, though. Why would it suddenly be an environmental hazard?

Probably because element zero can't be introduced naturally to the interior of a star.

Because it's exploding stars that creates it.

[25ryanator]

I think it is time we ended this thread for good.Since candidate 88766 said there is little discussion value left in this thread and no point keeping it going if there is no discussion value left. I would appreciate your views on closing this thread for good.

[Candidate 88766]

25ryanator wrote...

I think it is time we ended this thread for good.Since candidate 88766 said there is little discussion value left in this thread and no point keeping it going if there is no discussion value left. I would appreciate your views on closing this thread for good.

I say close it, but I wonder why you felt the need to post in it after it had been inactive for almost 3 weeks. An unused thread is pretty much the same as a locked one.

[111987]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

25ryanator wrote...

I think it is time we ended this thread for good.Since candidate 88766 said there is little discussion value left in this thread and no point keeping it going if there is no discussion value left. I would appreciate your views on closing this thread for good.

I say close it, but I wonder why you felt the need to post in it after it had been inactive for almost 3 weeks. An unused thread is pretty much the same as a locked one.

I also don't know why he thinks we need to have a discussion about whether or not to stop discussing the topic...

[Candidate 88766]

111987 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

25ryanator wrote...

I think it is time we ended this thread for good.Since candidate 88766 said there is little discussion value left in this thread and no point keeping it going if there is no discussion value left. I would appreciate your views on closing this thread for good.

I say close it, but I wonder why you felt the need to post in it after it had been inactive for almost 3 weeks. An unused thread is pretty much the same as a locked one.

I also don't know why he thinks we need to have a discussion about whether or not to stop discussing the topic...

Yeah, thats confusing me too.

[FFinfinity1]

We should discuss about discussing whether or not we should discuss about closing an inactive thread

[capn233]

111987 wrote...

I also don't know why he thinks we need to have a discussion about whether or not to stop discussing the topic...

You don't.  When nobody else comments, that is when the discussion is over.  It isn't the end of the world if someone necros it.

[25ryanator]

Okay,okay okay lets end this thread and put it out of it's misery.Attn Bioware Social administrators I politely request that you close this thread since everyone who posts on this thread wants this thread to be closed since one member pointed out that there is little discussion value left in this thread and everyone is finished discussing the subject this thread is about.

[25ryanator]

There i requested the Bioware Social administrators close this thread ,you lot happy now?.Well someone had to do it since you lot keep saying that this thread should be closed and put in the closed threads archive.

[111987]

25ryanator wrote...

There i requested the Bioware Social administrators close this thread ,you lot happy now?.Well someone had to do it since you lot keep saying that this thread should be closed and put in the closed threads archive.

Nobody said that but you...oh well. For future reference, don't feel the need to bump a thread just to close it.