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DoNotIngest wrote...

I truly fear for Bioware's physical safety from some of the more... Enthusiastic fans if the full blockade on Tali info turns out to be a doozy rather than pause for effect.


It'd certainly be interesting. The way I see it at present, the only way to approach any new/upcoming info is to wipe the whole expectation slate clean. There's undoubtedly going to be things that people end up unhappy or raging about, so I'm really trying to keep my mind open towards any possibilities.

For all we know, BioWare could be citing a lot of these characters as "permanent squadmates" with the intention to kill them off within an hour of them joining. That'd still fit the bill of permanent, since, well, they were a member of the squad until death and never really left it.

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LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...

They aren't really releasing any information on the behalf on how many spoilers they leaked on Me2.
It was one spoiler after another. Many people complained about it so now they aren't going to be releasing any new information I guess until probably into next year. It's way to soon to be leaking things about characters anyways when we still have

You're talking about the spoilers fans learnt all by themselves by knowingly cliking "Play/Read/Watch" on everything that was being released knowing perfectly the promo material may contain spoilers and sitting on the largest ME fan forum which by default would be filled by spoilers?

Or do you talk about the spoilers fans learnt because BioWare was putting gun to their heads forcing them against their own will to watch the trailers and sit on BSN?

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5-6 months until the game comes out.

Urhm, actually it's 4 months and 1 week lol


:blink:...Hm, where to start on this :lol:

From what I was told,  Bioware started to release spoilers on characters and other things (DLC) before Fans could "sit on the largest Mass Effect forum" and learn things on there own. Bioware released everything in one big rush. So this time they are taking things slower, releasing things in short periods of time. 
Short meaning :  Bioware spoiled all there pie before fans could eat the pie for themselves :D

And on the due date ; I'm too busy thinking about Skyrim coming out , I've put back the Me3 due date in the back of my brain. Apparently my brother did also , because he was the one who told me when it was coming out.:lol:

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Rogue Unit wrote...

Feels good to be a Liara fan.


This pretty much sums up my frustration at the lack of information on squadmates. Liara fans are sitting back, calm and confident in the return of their plot-armour-donning blue broker, while the rest of us are living in fear of cameos and minor roles for our favourite characters.

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KawaiiKatie wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Feels good to be a Liara fan.


This pretty much sums up my frustration at the lack of information on squadmates. Liara fans are sitting back, calm and confident in the return of their plot-armour-donning blue broker, while the rest of us are living in fear of cameos and minor roles for our favourite characters.


that's why you should become a Liara fan ;D

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alex90c wrote...

that's why you should become a Liara fan ;D


Sorry, blue lady, but you're barking up the wrong tree. ;)

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:(

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alex90c wrote...

:(


Oh, don't give me that. Liara might not have a sexual preference, but I sure do. :?

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sure she does. she's shepsexual just like the other 9 LIs available to Shepard ;)

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I'm glad that they don't spoil to much. I want the ME2 moment when Jack came out of cryo and I never suspected that she could be a woman.
They can start spoiling the hell out of ME3 after 20.12.
But I can't deny that I'm curious about Vega's VA. That wouldn't be a big spoiler, right?

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KawaiiKatie wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Feels good to be a Liara fan.


This pretty much sums up my frustration at the lack of information on squadmates. Liara fans are sitting back, calm and confident in the return of their plot-armour-donning blue broker, while the rest of us are living in fear of cameos and minor roles for our favourite characters.


You can say the same 'bout VS- and Joker-fans. We've got plot armor in ME2 and it's most likely Liara, VS and Joker will play bigger roles in ME3 than others. Especially VS-fans (me - Ash fan) want more influence of their character (Kaidan or Ashley) since we had just a badly written cameo in ME2. Liara fans had a full DLC with lots of Liara goodness, but VS-fans had nothing in ME2.

Biggest fear of Liara / VS-fans: both could become the traitor in ME3 if BW is going to use this plot twist.

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...and the second biggest fear of VS fans is that said character will share same personality and preferred decisions.

On topic: it looks like after multiplayer announcement I'm very suspicious about any detail BioWare dodges to talk about because there can be sh*tbomb hidden inside. So yes, I'd rather be spoiled than shocked after release.

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CptData wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Feels good to be a Liara fan.


This pretty much sums up my frustration at the lack of information on squadmates. Liara fans are sitting back, calm and confident in the return of their plot-armour-donning blue broker, while the rest of us are living in fear of cameos and minor roles for our favourite characters.


You can say the same 'bout VS- and Joker-fans. We've got plot armor in ME2 and it's most likely Liara, VS and Joker will play bigger roles in ME3 than others. Especially VS-fans (me - Ash fan) want more influence of their character (Kaidan or Ashley) since we had just a badly written cameo in ME2. Liara fans had a full DLC with lots of Liara goodness, but VS-fans had nothing in ME2.

Biggest fear of Liara / VS-fans: both could become the traitor in ME3 if BW is going to use this plot twist.


Liara is completely devoted to Shepard, and if you romance the VS they drop the l-bomb (past tense at least) on Horizon. I doubt they'll betray us.

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CptData wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Feels good to be a Liara fan.


This pretty much sums up my frustration at the lack of information on squadmates. Liara fans are sitting back, calm and confident in the return of their plot-armour-donning blue broker, while the rest of us are living in fear of cameos and minor roles for our favourite characters.


You can say the same 'bout VS- and Joker-fans.


Eh, I don't think that VS fans have quite the feather in their cap that Liara fans have right now. VS fans know that the VS is coming back, but if he/she is coming back the same way he/she did in ME2 (angry at Shepard, identical dialogue and animations, unknown agenda) that might not actually be a boon. Liara fans, however, were able to confirm the romance, and they know what Liara is up to and that she is guarunteed a spot on the roster in ME3.

What I'm trying to say is, we'd all like a bit of the comfort and confidence that Liara fans are enjoying right now, and it's frustrating that Bioware doesn't seem to care.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 31 octobre 2011 - 08:24 .


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alex90c wrote...

Liara is completely devoted to Shepard, and if you romance the VS they drop the l-bomb (past tense at least) on Horizon. I doubt they'll betray us.


Dunno, that bomb didn't destroy anything for me. It's just another bump in a authentic relationship :)

Liara? Hmm, don't wanna offend anyone here, but she never got my interest. I'm not a big fan of "completely devoted characters". It kills the challange to "get her interest". If I want an Asari girlfriend, I'd say I would go for Aria. She's a real challenge for Shepard :happy:


mineralica wrote...

...and the second biggest fear of VS fans is that said character will share same personality and preferred decisions.

On
topic: it looks like after multiplayer announcement I'm very suspicious
about any detail BioWare dodges to talk about because there can be
sh*tbomb hidden inside. So yes, I'd rather be spoiled than shocked after
release.


This.

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Eh, I don't think that VS fans have quite the
feather in their cap that Liara fans have right now. VS fans know that
the VS is coming back, but if he/she is coming back the same way he/she
did in ME2 (angry at Shepard, identical dialogue and animations, unknown
agenda) that might not actually be a boon. Liara fans, however, were
able to confirm the romance, and they know what Liara is up to and that
she is guarunteed a spot on the roster in ME3.

What I'm trying to say is, we'd all like
a bit of the comfort and confidence that Liara fans are enjoying right
now, and it's frustrating that Bioware doesn't seem to care.


I think the VS is confirmed as "permanent" squadmate. "Permanent" in a way "until avoidable death of VS".

If BW is pulling another Horizon-cameo in ME3 I'd be mad, but I doubt this will be the case. There must be a reason why BW redesigned Kaidan and Ashley, so I doubt they'll spend resources for just a short cameo.

However most of the ME2-cast (excludes Garrus and Tali) won't have big roles - at least not all of them will return as temporary squadmates. Some will, like Miranda, others won't. So I think all those fans won't see much stuff about their fav characters, which is sad. I totally can understand them if they want to know more about their fav characters fate in ME3.

Modifié par CptData, 31 octobre 2011 - 08:27 .


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mineralica wrote...

So yes, I'd rather be spoiled than shocked after release.


Same here. Before the release of ME2, it was promised that the Virmire Survivor would come back, but then the Horizon fiasco happened. If that's what I have to look forward to in ME3, I'd rather know beforehand. I'd rather be informed so that I can brace myself before it happens in-game, instead of having my hopes dashed when my favourite characters refuse to join my squad because they were only temporary squadmates.

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CptData wrote...

I think the VS is confirmed as "permanent" squadmate. "Permanent" in a way "until avoidable death of VS".

If Kaidan and Ashley are completely identical again (same lines, same animations, same everything except for looks) it won't really matter how "permanent" he or she is, because I'm going to be pissed. That's one of my big fears for the VS in ME3.

However most of the ME2-cast (excludes Garrus and Tali) won't have big roles - at least not all of them will return as temporary squadmates. Some will, like Miranda, others won't. So I think all those fans won't see much stuff about their fav characters, which is sad. I totally can understand them if they want to know more about their fav characters fate in ME3.

Exactly. This is why it pisses me off so hard when, for example, a fan asks Casey Hudson, "Tell me anything about Jack!" and Hudson just completely dodges the issue and moves on. I mean, how hard would it have been to give Jack fans some hope?

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KawaiiKatie wrote...

CptData wrote...

I think the VS is confirmed as "permanent" squadmate. "Permanent" in a way "until avoidable death of VS".

If Kaidan and Ashley are completely identical again (same lines, same animations, same everything except for looks) it won't really matter how "permanent" he or she is, because I'm going to be pissed. That's one of my big fears for the VS in ME3.


Trufax. I want -my- Ashley back. No "Kaishley" or something. Ashley. Different lines, different character, heck, even different loyalty mission (if there's any).

Same for Kaidan. I don't have a save with Kaidan alive, but maybe I'll make one. I can understand every Kaidan fan who wants his/her Kaidan back as he was in ME - it is, after all, the same for Ashley fans.

Sure, we can asume that Ashley and Kaidan will share some lines. Maybe even some scenes. But not the entire game. At least I hope that ... and yeah, I fear BW could go the cheap way and make Ashley & Kaidan too similar.

However most of the ME2-cast (excludes Garrus and Tali) won't have big roles - at least not all of them will return as temporary squadmates. Some will, like Miranda, others won't. So I think all those fans won't see much stuff about their fav characters, which is sad. I totally can understand them if they want to know more about their fav characters fate in ME3.

Exactly. This is why it pisses me off so hard when, for example, a fan asks Casey Hudson, "Tell me anything about Jack!" and Hudson just completely dodges the issue and moves on. I mean, how hard would it have been to give Jack fans some hope?


Now I'm not a big Jack fan, but I can understand her fans. Besides some stuff about her new appearance nothing is known about her role in ME3. Can say the same about Samara, Miranda, Legion ... (wait: you can see Legion in that big walking Reaper demo) - lets say, given the fact ME3 isn't much longer than ME2 plus ME3 will have less squadmates most ME2 characters won't have any bigger roles than being quest givers or for being squadmate for one single mission.
Maybe you can continue your romance from ME2, maybe there's even a full story arc for your LI, but it's not exactly the same as if you can have Ashley or Kaidan or Liara back on the Normandy while Miranda or Jack or Thane are just quest givers and not on your ship.

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It's hard for me to be negative, when a writers tweets:

"Lots of old friends grow and change in ME3. Jack is one of my favorites now."

I don't think a character can become a favourite if she gets 4 minutes bad cameo. There is something awesome going on with Jack and I just don't want to be spoiled about it.
I can understand that some people are getting nervous, but it's getting a little extreme for my taste.

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Wrex pretty much became my favorite because of 4 minutes cameo in ME2

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I don't want to know about specific squadmates, but I would like to know more about the system itself and what Casey Hudson meant by no permanent squadmates. For we have seen bits and pieces of combat, but we really don't know if anyone in the previous games will be available to be in our group 100% of the time or if we even have a choice who is going to be in our group at all.

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I really tired of BIoWare not giving us info on characters, and also I have question when was Garrus born because I can't find it anywhere.

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I am curious about the Character system as well I don't need Spoilerish Details but I do want to get a better feel for What we are in store for Squad Wise.

I had hoped Bioware would make 5 Permanent Squaddies "VS,Liara,Vega,Garrus,Tali" and then we would be able to choose the last 3 Squadmembers from the remaining Squadmembers. Giving us at least the option to have who we want on the Normandy.

The thing is that Bioware is in a Bad position no matter what they are going to P*** off alot of devoted fans if bioware decides to go in The Horizon Route making most of the ME2 LI's Cameo's

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By adding 3 new LIs and over 8 new squadmembers in ME2, BW has bitten off more than it can chew. Get ready to be disappointed. But remember that this is just a game, and when you're done playing, you're still fat.

As for me, I'm an Ashley/Kaiden & Liara fan, so its happy times again :)

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What have spoilers got to do with anything? We know they will be in the game if they survived the SM, so a couple of screenshots on board the Normandy (for example) is hardly going to ruin anything, is it. They just want to try and shove the entirely optional, largely unwanted multiplayer down our throats to gain the interest of those who haven't touched the series, and rely on the current fanbase to just wait around like they know we will.

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The whole we can't say anything regarding certain characters because it spoils the story excuse is completely lame, with all the info they release about certain events and scenarios in me3, how is saying Miranda will be a fulltime squadmember providing she's alive in your playthrought spoil us anymore than we've already been.

Seriously, cerberus fighting against us, the krogan princess, even the spoilers concerning Aria and Omega in the new comics spoil much more than a simple confirmation one way or the other regarding squadmates.

I've said this before but it smacks to me of exactly the same things they did regarding, Wrex, Ashley and Kaiden when me2 was being released, rather than give out bad news they continually go with the can't spoil the story excuse.

Seeing them do the same thing again leaves me pretty sure it'll be the same outcome, me2 specific characters are being relegated to a smaller role just as certain me1 characters were in me2, but rather than be upfront about it, they'll wait much closer to release.


This would be entirely consistent with their behaviour involving Dragon Age 2. They "forgot" to mention that auto-attack wasn't included in the final version for the console despite having had it confirmed for months. They only "remembered" a few dayes before launch despite knowing it since around two months before it's release.

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Well, with MP reviews being somewhat underwhelming, it wouldn't surprise me if PR feels they need to increase the hype in other areas. So we might see a SP info dump before too long.


I am waiting for Bioware to express surprise at this response to the multiplayer. Hell, if they paid me $10 for my opinion I could have told them so and saved them a lot of money.

The multiplayer may or may not fail, but it's certainly not going to be worth the time/effort they have put into it, not when most current fans either don't want it, or don't really care about it.

Whereas releasing information on what most of us care about (the characters) they'd generate hype, which would lead fans to discuss said characters, which would probably lead to non-fans asking who they are talking about. This will mean that the fans spread the word about the series as they are excited about it.

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I really understand the point of 'no-spoilers', I understand the concept, I really do. But, I swear to god that I am starting to get f*cking pissed off at the lack of information. For gods sake, at least realise a new trailer! Maybe one from the VS perspective or for the Galaxy-at-war system! ANYTHING!

God in heaven. This is so darn frustrating, and I apologise for losing it a little, but as I said.
Frustrating.