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[shepskisaac]

Ticktank wrote...

By adding 3 new LIs and over 8 new squadmembers in ME2, BW has bitten off more than it can chew.

Ditto.

LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...

From what I was told,  Bioware started to release spoilers on characters and other things (DLC) before Fans could "sit on the largest Mass Effect forum" and learn things on there own.

What does this even mean lol? And before BSN, it was BioWare forums were people were sitting and spoiling everything for themselves on their own request.

Ticktank wrote...
Bioware released everything in one big rush.

Absolutely untrue.

Ticktank wrote...
Short meaning :  Bioware spoiled all there pie before fans could eat the pie for themselves

No. The fans watched everything that was being released without BioWare forcing them to do it. It takes two to spoil a game for a fan. First, you need the developer to include spoilers in promo articles/videos, and then you need a fan who clicks "PLAY/READ/WATCH" him/herself to actually see those spoilers. If someone hates spoilers, he/she should stay away from promo material, especially trailers & making-of/behind-the-scenes videos. It is absolutely possible to avoid spoilers. I have gaming buds myself who hate them and they have no problems avoiding spoilers.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 31 octobre 2011 - 01:14 .

[Aurora313]

Agreed.

[Ticktank]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ticktank wrote...

By adding 3 new LIs and over 8 new squadmembers in ME2, BW has bitten off more than it can chew.

Ditto.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm all for BW proving me wrong (by giving every squadmember sufficient screentime to make their respective fans happy), but it just seems difficult if you consider the permutations and the resources required. I certainly wouldn't mind a 4 disc/300GB game, but I doubt thats happening.

Assuming that a good number of your ME2 squadmembers will be reduced to a cameo role in ME3 *singleplayer* mode, the best fix going forward IMO is to have them play a bigger role in multiplayer e.g. in certain (perhaps the final) MP missions on a particular planet. The possibilities could be very exciting e.g.:

- Fighting alongside Wrex/Grunt and Clan Urdnot on Tuchanka.
- Inflitration missions with Mordin & Kirrahe
- Tearing up an infested Omega alongside Aria, Zaeed and Jack. Rated M18 for coarse language.

"Get the F off my station!"

Modifié par Ticktank, 31 octobre 2011 - 01:43 .

[Drinking Shepard]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm mostly tired of seeing Liara and Garrus. And I'm a fan of both. The way I see it, if they aren't showing anything new besides Liara and Garrus being squadmates, then what they're showing is useless to me.

Oh guess what? Bioware's favourites Liara and Garrus will be permanent squadmates. And it's just them two. Everyone else - not permanent and hardly romanceable (what's the point romancing if they're not perm, right?). BUT you now have the multiplayer and all that galactical readiness crap to increase chances against reapers.

[spirosz]

Drinking Shepard wrote...

Oh guess what? Bioware's favourites Liara and Garrus will be permanent squadmates. And it's just them two. Everyone else - not permanent and hardly romanceable (what's the point romancing if they're not perm, right?). BUT you now have the multiplayer and all that galactical readiness crap to increase chances against reapers.

<_<

[BobZilla84]

I think that the whole thing is really weird and I am going to laugh my A** off if in Mass Effect 3 The Virmire Survivor & Liara are not actually on board the Normandy considering Both of their new Positions and all they might have their own Ships or something like that man that would P*** off alot of folks

[Aurora313]

I really, really, really hate speculating. Especially on such stale facts. Why can't bioware release just a few tiny, juicy lore-building details about our favourite Spectre squad members (Nor Garrus or Liara. They've been done to death - or Tali for that matter. So completely and utterly sick of her.).

I want more Shepley or Shenko damn it!

[Skullheart]

I hope that we can persuade Liara to stay in the SB ship. What is the point on LotSB if she isn't there to give us info?

[ViSeiRa]

Well, that's exactly what happens when you de-humanize your main character, everyone is really more concerned about a squadmate or a certain character's storyline than Shepard's and I can't blame any of the fans of it, because I feel the same way too... right after I finished ME2 I realized I care more about certain characters than I will ever care about Shepard or even the Reapers.

And Bioware put themselves even in a tighter spot with their "suicide mission", where every squadmate can die, and by making every single one of them kill-able they wasted great potential for lots of them like Mordin, Miranda and Legion... it pains me to say it but I really don't see myself satisfied with a cameo for my favorite characters and I can't see Bioware doing it different.

Of course that didn't prevent Bioware from bringing Garrus and Tali as permanents despite being in the same situation as every squadmate in ME2... but as usual the fanbase for these two characters has always been a lot more vocal than others'.

[alperez]

kumquats wrote...

It's hard for me to be negative, when a writers tweets:

"Lots of old friends grow and change in ME3. Jack is one of my favorites now."

I don't think a character can become a favourite if she gets 4 minutes bad cameo. There is something awesome going on with Jack and I just don't want to be spoiled about it.
I can understand that some people are getting nervous, but it's getting a little extreme for my taste.

Considering the very same writers practically bellowed from the rooftops about Wrex's awesome cameo in me2 colour me dubious.

Don't get me wrong compared to how the VS was handled Wrex did at least have a role that made sense and created a huge potential for the character in me3, however a 4 minute cameo is a 4 minute cameo and as good as it was it didn't even begin to make up for not having Wrex in your squad.

Then to make things worse they put Wreav in the default game which basically kills off Wrex as a character for anyone who didn't choose the right path with him in me1.

As for Spoiling any awesome thing Jack may be up to, how exactly is a simple confirmation that if alive Jack will be a permanent squadmember spoiling anything relating to her story?

Did knowing Tali returns as a full squadmember in me2 spoil the circumstances of that return or spoil the trial or anything else about the character, no it didn't, so the whole can't say regarding me2 specific characters stance doesn't actually stand up does it.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Remember folks we did ask BW not to spoil 3 for us like they did with 2 they let us know who everyone was before we ever met them some magazines practically did entire bios for instance I knew tons about Thane before I met the guy then when I met him it definitely wasn't grand because I already knew nearly everything about him. Lots of people asked for this not to be repeated so they could actually be surprised like shep dying in the beginning or at the end wasn't much of a surprise because BW said, " You start the game dead, and you can end it dead too." that was a huge spoiler!

Now they're doing exactly what people want not spoiling the story but at the same time they aren't doing what people want when it comes to LIs and who may be ft or pt crewmen they won't tell us that on at least the prior crew maybe they're counting it as spoiler info if they say at some point Miranda will be available for pt crewmenship but Kasumi will be ft.

Fans of kasumi may love it but then Mirandalovers will be like what?! She quit Cerberus were better and safer place for her to hide from retribution then with shep?

BW will more then likely wait till the last few weeks to tell us who is ft, pt, who is s/s and who isn't so they can limit the fire storm but honestly they should just get it over with on at least that info it won't stop a person who wants to cancel the order from doing so unless they announce all this the day of so people are inline getting a new game stores now won't return because they can and will force that person to have to trade it in for $40 if they're lucky so the player returns home only to find out they really hate something BW did or didn't do in game and will now just keep the $60 game because trading it in isn't worth it.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 01 novembre 2011 - 04:04 .

[GodWood]

I just want to see how much Bioware ****ed up Jack.

[mineralica]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ticktank wrote...

By adding 3 new LIs and over 8 new squadmembers in ME2, BW has bitten off more than it can chew.

Ditto.

Miranda, Jack, Thane and Jacob. Even it will make four LIs, not 3. Considering new romance paths, there will be 6.

But you know, even if there will be only 3 new LI and, say, 3 more regular characters - I doubt that BioWare can chew (acknowledge) any major decision. Look at what happened before - all major choices turned into decorative choices affecting only cameos (SPOILERS TO ANYTHING THAT MOVES; YOU'RE WARNED):



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- DAO possible endings affected only small cameo in DA2.

- ME possible endings affected only appearance of Council and couple of lines of NPCs in DA2.

- rachni choice affecting only appearance of cameo in ME2.

- kill or not to kill Shiala and colonists will affect only who will be the cameo.

- Anderson or Udina as Councilor

- Flemeth and Leliana have own way to deal with plot events.

- Ashley and Kaidan are Virmire Survivor

- Bethany and Carver are Surviving Sibling

- Garrus is back on his own path.

- Harrowmont or Bhelen? Only change in couple of names.

- ending choice of DA2 is nullified immediately after that - in epiloque.

- who was your ME1 LI if there was any. Oh, it required separate DLC to fix that.

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END OF SPOILERS

For now there is no major choice that changed anything - either both ways lead to same direction (pure "ignored choices" problem) or one choice leads to no content ("too bad that you're renegade" problem) or difference is only in couple of lines ("VS" problem). It's never been that, depending on previous choices, even single mission went other way or took place in another location, let alone affecting main plot. How can we say this time something will be different? And if so, how can we not to worry about any character that may be dead will be sidelined just in case to not change many just in case s/he is actually dead?

[Rogue Unit]

GodWood wrote...

I just want to see how much Bioware ****ed up Jack.

I hope they haven't complete changed her just so she can appeal to those who didn't like her and complained about her appearance and language. (She doesn't really curse much. I've heard way worse in video games)

[CptData]

Just tho throw in another "cameo fact":

Maybe you can pick up ALL old squadmates at some point so Jack, Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Thane etc will have a permanent or temporary place on the Normandy but not being available for any of your squads. Could be possible - maybe you need to evacuate some of them, others join you. Lets think about Kirrahe and his squad - they were passengers in ME and it shouldn't be too difficult to pull a similar card for any squadmates of ME2.

Good points: you can continue any active ME2!LI - also you have them around and they can support you - maybe not with firepower, but with tech, intel, advices & stuff.

Bad points: waste of resources. Either because you need to give them multiple lines so you can talk to them - or they have one-liners like Zaeed or Kasumi - in both cases you need extra lines you don't need without them on board.
Also it's quite a cheap solution that will disappoint a lot of fans: no one wants to see their fav squadmate reduced to a bystander or to the ranks of all those nameless crewmembers ...

[Leonia]

I'm quite happy with the lack of information, leaves room for lots of surprises. Yeah, it sort of sucks for conversations on the forums but we'll have lots to talk about once we've played the game. Besides, the ME2 forums lasted quite awhile even when we had exhausted most conversation topics and the same may happen here.

[FeralEwok]

I wouldn't mind a little bit of a tease as to where some of the other characters might be or what they might be doing. It's nice to know they will all be making an appearance; however, I didn't doubt that to begin with.

I just want a screenshot of Miranda damn it!

[Xarathox]

To be honest, Biowares marketing has pretty much always been lazy. They certainly could take notes from some of the other companies in the business.

However, for some reason they keep emulating the "Hideo Kojima" method...and a poor emulation at that.

[kumquats]

alperez wrote...

As for Spoiling any awesome thing Jack may be up to, how exactly is a simple confirmation that if alive Jack will be a permanent squadmember spoiling anything relating to her story?

Did knowing Tali returns as a full squadmember in me2 spoil the circumstances of that return or spoil the trial or anything else about the character, no it didn't, so the whole can't say regarding me2 specific characters stance doesn't actually stand up does it.

I see your point.
The only thing I "fear" are the extreme fans going completly insane, if they know that their LI is not going to be a permanent Squadi.
Nerdrage can be very powerful on the BSN.

[Apollo Starflare]

It's tricky.

On the one hand I want them to reveal how they will pull off the various returning characters (or lack thereof). But on the other I know they don't want to give away spoilers, something which would be hard to avoid without leaving us with even more questions than we started with.

Right now I would be happy just knowing the maximum possible size of the squad in ME3 and whether anything we have done in previous games will affect it's composition beyond Garrus and Tali and which VS we have.

We currently have 4 confirmed possible squadmates, and all we know is that the squad will be smaller than ME2. Without naming names they could say that some characters will return full time based on your actions in ME2, or not. They could tell us whether we can have upto 5,6,7 or 8 squadmates. They could even tell us whether it is possible to fill up your squad to the maximum number differently depending on choices made in previous games as well as ME3.

None of that would require spoilers regarding who is actually coming back and in what capacity.

But too be fair I am well aware that we still have a good number of months left yet for BioWare to go into more detail.

[Caihn]

Information about character is the only kind of information I really care, right now.

Modifié par Yannkee, 01 novembre 2011 - 05:04 .

[CrazyRah]

Nah i'm satisfied with not getting any information at all. I got other things to keep myself busy instead of running around all crazy about what might happen with my favorite character. I sure can understand that the huge lack of any decent information is annoying but i'll survive

[MordinKrios]

As a Thane and Mordin fan it is growing very frustrating. I fear that Mordin's sole appearance in ME3 will be the demo we have (hopefully) all seen. Also, even though we know Thane will die i fear he will also be reduced to a Mordin esque cameo. Thankfully i do like Garrus and can stand Kaiden and Liara but Tali does nothing for me.

I also fear that the dreaded conversation option of "You should join me" will be back to which your favourite character replies " I can't" "I have X, Y and Z to do" To which i think "F*** X,Y and Z., ive got a bloody galaxy to save.

I feel most for fans of wrex. I did enjoy the big mans attempts at wit and would hate to seem him reduced to a poor ME2 like cameo. He seems to me the only original squad memeber of ME1 who won't be a Permanent squad member. Why? Tali, Liara and Garrus and VS all will be. Why not Wrex? Even if you did kill him (you fool!) then surely there must be someone else who could become a permanent squad member. The POSSIBLE sheer about of permanent ME3 squad members WOULD have made it the most personal and fantastic game ever. Yet we get stuck with the dullest quarian, the VS survivor (neither i am crazy for), Liara (not amazing) and thankfully garrus.

All the really funny and INTERESTING characters seem to have been given minor roles! WHY WHY WHY! Mordin = voted hundreds of times over the greatest ME character period and yet THEY CHANGE THE VOICE AND APPEAR TO HAVE GIVEN HIM A SMALLER ROLE THAN BLOOMIN CONRAD VERNER.

There. Rant over.

[Arcadian Legend]

I'm not. I'm actually pretty happy that they are keeping things a tad more secretive.