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[Ryzaki]

Only way I'm fine with Udina being councilor regardless is if I can leave the council to die again.

In that case. Enjoy your councilor seat Udina and goodbye.

[StarcloudSWG]

Keep in mind, the books are an alternate timeline from what might have happened in YOUR playthrough; they are not controlling canon.

Bioware might or might not force Udina into the Council seat; we won't know until ME 3 comes out.

[kleindropper]

I would think it will have a major effect in ME3 since it is one of the 6 major decisions you make in the interactive comic when starting at ME2, but has no relevance at all in ME2.

[Chuvvy]

Considering Sanderson puts Udina in charge while he's on earth, it doesn't seem like it will.

[DiebytheSword]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Keep in mind, the books are an alternate timeline from what might have happened in YOUR playthrough; they are not controlling canon.

Bioware might or might not force Udina into the Council seat; we won't know until ME 3 comes out.

Agreed

[Ofcoursenot]

Ryzaki wrote...

Only way I'm fine with Udina being councilor regardless is if I can leave the council to die again.

In that case. Enjoy your councilor seat Udina and goodbye.

This. Salarian and Asari Councilors weren't So bad, and I even came to not completely hate the Turian. But if their lives are what it costs to rid the galaxy of Udina, king of the ungrateful douchebags, then they will die for a good cause.

[SandTrout]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Keep in mind, the books are an alternate timeline from what might have happened in YOUR playthrough; they are not controlling canon.

Bioware might or might not force Udina into the Council seat; we won't know until ME 3 comes out.

I disagree with this analysis. The books are parallel to the games, but they do not fall under 'alternate timeline' category. They are a means to flesh out the universe established by the games, but happen within the same timeline/universe.

They are writen in such a manner, with the sole exception that I can think of being the Anderson/Udinia thing, as to specifically never contradict any decisions made in the games, with references to the events being vague allusions. It has to been stated at any point that the books are anything except for cannonical.

[DiebytheSword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Even the Anderson/Udina thing could be explained in game without needing an alternate universe. All they need to do is have Anderson say that he stepped down not long after meeting Shepard in ME2 and then the events of Retribution happened.

Either way, it appears we will have to wait for ME3 to know for sure.

[naledgeborn]

They made Udina "default" councilor because they wanted the books to feature Anderson. He can't go around the galaxy kicking ass when he's supposed to be doing policy **** with the council.

No skin off my back. I picked Udina anyway. Thought that decision would cancel out saving the Destiny Ascension. Sort of an equalizer.

[Gabey5]

No real difference other than some dialogue with said Councillor

[111987]

i don't think Retribution proves our choice doesn't matter. The book could have just been written from the perspective of a Shepard who chose Udina.

In a Paragon universe, perhaps Anderson simply took a leave of absence as Councillor to complete the events of Retribution.

Modifié par 111987, 04 novembre 2011 - 03:38 .

[Prince of Kemet]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd like to see Anderson as Councilor resulting in little change, Udina had to spend his short time in the role fixing all the political ****storms that Anderson conjured up by leaving the role. Udina would create a stronger political force behind the Alliance and more respect, despite being a "politican" at heart.

Yeah, as if.

That's not gonna happen.

Bottom line...I'd pick Anderson over udina ANY day of the week. If you bred a weasel and a snake you'd get an udina. I look forward to killing it in ME3.

[maxpowers2525]

Napier93 wrote...

Anderson might make it easier to get other Allies on side than having Udina would.

i could see thet being reversed udina is a good but kisser anderson wasnt 

[Dean_the_Young]

Wanting to kill Udina is pretty petty.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 04 novembre 2011 - 03:50 .

[SandTrout]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

Bottom line...I'd pick Anderson over udina ANY day of the week. If you bred a weasel and a snake you'd get an udina. I look forward to killing it in ME3.

Udina is actually one of the more direct and honest politician characters I've ever seen. He's extremely critical, but he's not just critical of Shepard, he fights the Council tooth and nail at the begining as well.

His effectiveness as a politician is commented on by Anderson in ME2. He's a hard-ass, but he's one that knows how to do his job well.

[Dean_the_Young]

naledgeborn wrote...

They made Udina "default" councilor because they wanted the books to feature Anderson. He can't go around the galaxy kicking ass when he's supposed to be doing policy **** with the council.

Maybe for later ones, but not for Retribution.

Retribution itself would have played out almost exactly the same, down to most of the dialogue. After receiving news from Sanders about Cerberus, Councilor Anderson goes behind the back of the Alliance to secretly authorize Turian military interventions in Alliance space. Councilor Anderson and Kahlee go to inspect the Turian-captured station that held Grayson. Aria's mercs, not knowing Anderson would be there, attack the station and take Anderson captive. Separated from the Alliance and Council, Councilor Anderson gets roped into the Grayson affair, and is saved by Kai Leng. Dragged along in the pursuit of Grayson by the Cerberus agent, Councilor Anderson has no opportunity to re-establish his authority until Grayson is already dealt with.


So, besides swapping some 'Admirals' for 'Councilor', Anderson is the same in role and motivation and character.

[Fixers0]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Wanting to kill Udina is pretty petty.

Why ?

Because he is an incompentant and unreliable politician and betrays people behind their backs.

[111987]

Fixers0 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Wanting to kill Udina is pretty petty.

Why ?

Because he is an incompentant and unreliable politician and betrays people behind their backs.

That part you just made up.

But please don't turn this into an Anderson vs. Udina thread, because then it's just going to balloon into a Paragon vs. Renegade thread, and we have more than enough of those.

[Jaldaris93]

Hopefully the decision for either Anderson or Udina as Councilor will be reflected in Mass Effect 3 in a significant way, so to allow us gamers to feel our choices matter, and that we are creating our Shepard's stories.

[Prince of Kemet]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Wanting to kill Udina is pretty petty.

Call it WHATEVER you want. The ONLY way that I don't kill this low-life piece of **** is if the option isn't available in ME3.

[matt-bassist]

stupid poorly written novels, messing with the game canon

[Dean_the_Young]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Wanting to kill Udina is pretty petty.

Call it WHATEVER you want. The ONLY way that I don't kill this low-life piece of **** is if the option isn't available in ME3.

Someone who has the gall not to believe the all-powerful Shepard isn't a low-life piece of ****. It's just someone that doesn't believe Shepard.

Someone wanting to kill anyone who has the gall to doubt or be anything less than sympathetically supportive is a petty sycophant who really has no grounds to judge others.

[Prince of Kemet]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Prince of Kemet wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Wanting to kill Udina is pretty petty.

Call it WHATEVER you want. The ONLY way that I don't kill this low-life piece of **** is if the option isn't available in ME3.

Someone who has the gall not to believe the all-powerful Shepard isn't a low-life piece of ****. It's just someone that doesn't believe Shepard.

Someone wanting to kill anyone who has the gall to doubt or be anything less than sympathetically supportive is a petty sycophant who really has no grounds to judge others.

Sounds like you've been drinking too much goat ******.

[DragonTIM]

Anderson is admiral in the demo so we only know that if you pick Udina as a councillor Anderson will stay at Earth. Personally I think he will come with you if he is a councillor.