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[Joy Divison]

ReallyRue wrote...

As other people said, I don't think the characters in DAO were any closer.

The closest you could get was the friendship between Alistair, Leliana and Wynne, who acted like family. Also Sten and Shale who seemed to have some platonic relationship going on.

Zevran and Oghren weren't close to any of the other party members, though they didn't seem to clash outright.

There were plenty of rivalries in the same vein as the Anders-Fenris thing (and both their hate towards Merrill). Morrigan and Wynne for instance, who clearly despised each other. Morrigan and Alistair also hated each other, it wasn't the same kind of vitriolic friendship that Aveline and Isabela or Varric and Carver develop. The closest thing to that is perhaps Zevran and Alistair, although Alistair constantly expected Zevran to stab them in the back.

Both games had various friendships and rivalries between party members.

I think you're right about DAO not being closer.

Though Morrigan did not hate Alistair, she did not respect him.  That's a big difference

I don't know why Sebastian and Merrill have a cordial relationship.  I haven't played much with Sebastian, I would think as a devout Andrastian he'd be horrified with what Merrill is doing.

[hoorayforicecream]

Joy Divison wrote...

I don't know why Sebastian and Merrill have a cordial relationship.  I haven't played much with Sebastian, I would think as a devout Andrastian he'd be horrified with what Merrill is doing.

He was conflicted about reporting the apostates earlier on, but he decided against it. That said, not all religious people are vocally judgmental and condemning.

[GodWood]

Ghidorah14 wrote...
In DAO, companions bickered and argued often, but somehow, it all still felt like one big, happy (if slightly disfunctional) family. Everyone pretty much got along with everyone else. Morrigan insulted Alistair many times, but it was more or less playful.

No, they hated each other. He said it. She said it. They both said it.
Christ, she's giddy when you execute the bastard. 

Wynne and Morrigan were always at odds, but it was more of Wynne simply disapproving of her, and Morrigan being unable to see past her mark as a Circle mage.

Thus they didn't like each other. 

Leliana clashed with Morrigan a few times, but it was mostly Morrigan just being unfriendly.

Yes, that's not a friendship. 

Meanwhile, Shale and Sten practically fall in love,

And view everyone else as scum (except maybe the Warden)

and Wynne acts as a grandmother of sorts to Alistair.

Ok.

Like I said, it all feels like a big, happy family.

OR some characters simply got along with some and others did not.

Just like in DA2.

Modifié par GodWood, 01 novembre 2011 - 07:19 .

[labargegrrrl]

Ghidorah14 wrote...


In DAO, companions bickered and argued often, but somehow, it all still felt like one big, happy (if slightly disfunctional) family. Everyone pretty much got along with everyone else.

 I never got the impression that they outright hated one another, or that they truly wanted to up and kill each other.

But in DA2, all I hear are my companions pestering each other, arguing over the same crap we've been over before, and just generally creating an awkward feel around the party.

did you happen to just never take Zevran with you anywhere?  from what i remember, he pissed off everyone at least once and Wynn just never seemed to like him.

[ReallyRue]

Joy Divison wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

As other people said, I don't think the characters in DAO were any closer.

The closest you could get was the friendship between Alistair, Leliana and Wynne, who acted like family. Also Sten and Shale who seemed to have some platonic relationship going on.

Zevran and Oghren weren't close to any of the other party members, though they didn't seem to clash outright.

There were plenty of rivalries in the same vein as the Anders-Fenris thing (and both their hate towards Merrill). Morrigan and Wynne for instance, who clearly despised each other. Morrigan and Alistair also hated each other, it wasn't the same kind of vitriolic friendship that Aveline and Isabela or Varric and Carver develop. The closest thing to that is perhaps Zevran and Alistair, although Alistair constantly expected Zevran to stab them in the back.

Both games had various friendships and rivalries between party members.

I think you're right about DAO not being closer.

Though Morrigan did not hate Alistair, she did not respect him.  That's a big difference

I don't know why Sebastian and Merrill have a cordial relationship.  I haven't played much with Sebastian, I would think as a devout Andrastian he'd be horrified with what Merrill is doing.

You're right about Morrigan. I was thinking more about the fact that he hated her, and the fact their mutual dislike goes beyond a playful ribbing.

Well, Sebastian has a banter with Fenris in Act 3 about how they should inform the templars about the maleficars in the party, though he doesn't seem willing to do it himself without Fenris' support. I'm guessing he's just not a very confrontational person, even if he disapproves. Even when Anders argues with him, he doesn't seem to rise to it much. And I noticed in a banter with Isabela, when she asks him when he's going to start preaching at her, he tells her he doesn't think there's any point in it, because it rarely works. So maybe he is disgusted by it, but a mixture of not being confrontational and thinking she wouldn't listen to his advice leads to him just being polite to her.

Modifié par ReallyRue, 01 novembre 2011 - 05:36 .

[jamesp81]

Mr.House wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

@ ejoslin

Do you miss our drunken Dwarven friend and his ever-awesome Elven Assassin? XD

I miss Origin's Ogrhen, but not Awakening's Oghren.  And I definitely miss the assassin's brand of humor  

Edit: But I mean, seriously, can it get funnier than Oghren propositioning Wynne in the deep roads?

Nothing Oggy said was ever funny.

Gotta disagree.  Him and Anders carrying on were hilarious.

Anders: I'm not just a dwarf, I'm a mo-ron.  Listen to me fart!
Oghren: Oh no, big templar man, what are you going to do with that sword?
Anders: Ewww.

[jamesp81]

Joy Divison wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

As other people said, I don't think the characters in DAO were any closer.

The closest you could get was the friendship between Alistair, Leliana and Wynne, who acted like family. Also Sten and Shale who seemed to have some platonic relationship going on.

Zevran and Oghren weren't close to any of the other party members, though they didn't seem to clash outright.

There were plenty of rivalries in the same vein as the Anders-Fenris thing (and both their hate towards Merrill). Morrigan and Wynne for instance, who clearly despised each other. Morrigan and Alistair also hated each other, it wasn't the same kind of vitriolic friendship that Aveline and Isabela or Varric and Carver develop. The closest thing to that is perhaps Zevran and Alistair, although Alistair constantly expected Zevran to stab them in the back.

Both games had various friendships and rivalries between party members.

I think you're right about DAO not being closer.

Though Morrigan did not hate Alistair, she did not respect him.  That's a big difference

I don't know why Sebastian and Merrill have a cordial relationship.  I haven't played much with Sebastian, I would think as a devout Andrastian he'd be horrified with what Merrill is doing.

Because devout Andrastians believe in mercy, and that not everyone's perfect.  Sebastian doesn't need her to be perfect to care about her.

And really.  Who could not like Merrill (except for Fenris, who is a gigantic dick)?  I think Sebastian, more than anything, sees a nice girl with a good heart.

[jamesp81]

labargegrrrl wrote...

Ghidorah14 wrote...


In DAO, companions bickered and argued often, but somehow, it all still felt like one big, happy (if slightly disfunctional) family. Everyone pretty much got along with everyone else.

 I never got the impression that they outright hated one another, or that they truly wanted to up and kill each other.

But in DA2, all I hear are my companions pestering each other, arguing over the same crap we've been over before, and just generally creating an awkward feel around the party.

did you happen to just never take Zevran with you anywhere?  from what i remember, he pissed off everyone at least once and Wynn just never seemed to like him.

That's just because he was constantly trying to get into her robes.

[labargegrrrl]

jamesp81 wrote...

labargegrrrl wrote...

Ghidorah14 wrote...


In DAO, companions bickered and argued often, but somehow, it all still felt like one big, happy (if slightly disfunctional) family. Everyone pretty much got along with everyone else.

 I never got the impression that they outright hated one another, or that they truly wanted to up and kill each other.

But in DA2, all I hear are my companions pestering each other, arguing over the same crap we've been over before, and just generally creating an awkward feel around the party.

did you happen to just never take Zevran with you anywhere?  from what i remember, he pissed off everyone at least once and Wynn just never seemed to like him.

That's just because he was constantly trying to get into her robes.

i think she pegged it right though...he mostly did it to get under skin.  and the fact that he kept harassing her just to make her irritable bothered her almost as much.  that was the fun thing about Zev...if he couldn't actually get  l@id, he had a great time making people squirm!

[jamesp81]

labargegrrrl wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

labargegrrrl wrote...

Ghidorah14 wrote...


In DAO, companions bickered and argued often, but somehow, it all still felt like one big, happy (if slightly disfunctional) family. Everyone pretty much got along with everyone else.

 I never got the impression that they outright hated one another, or that they truly wanted to up and kill each other.

But in DA2, all I hear are my companions pestering each other, arguing over the same crap we've been over before, and just generally creating an awkward feel around the party.

did you happen to just never take Zevran with you anywhere?  from what i remember, he pissed off everyone at least once and Wynn just never seemed to like him.

That's just because he was constantly trying to get into her robes.

i think she pegged it right though...he mostly did it to get under skin.  and the fact that he kept harassing her just to make her irritable bothered her almost as much.  that was the fun thing about Zev...if he couldn't actually get  l@id, he had a great time making people squirm!

Actually, I think it was purely for comedic value.

Zev: Ahh, cynical and powerful.  You drive me mad with desire!
Wynne: Egad.

[Gervaise]

In the end, if the Warden is in a romance with Zevran, Wynne admits that it brings out a tenderness in him she wasn't aware of. Alot of Zevran's banter is quite harmless but he just loves to tease. Like when he gives Alistair advice on improving his love making - you can just imagine Alistair blushing but actually my Warden was quite appreciative - it's the thought that counts.

To me the humorous banter in Origins seemed more natural - in MoA in particular I felt the humour was too knowingly intentional, almost like the writers were spoofing their own game.

As for the antagonism between characters, it was there in Origins but in a way I felt people put their disagreements on hold a lot of the time because of the bigger issues at stake. Everyone wanted to stop the Blight. In Kirkwall there was much more time for all the petty and not so petty disagreements to come out and although we kept getting attacked, it was not as though civilisation would end if we failed. It was just loyalty to Hawke that really kept the group together, since there was no big issue that we could all agree on (apart from when the Arishok attacked since I don't thing any of them wanted the Qunari to take over).

[Quething]

Yeah, I'm not sure the Origins crew objectively got on or liked each other any better than the DA2 crew, but it does feel that way; Gervaise may have put a finger on it with the urgency of the Blight versus the... well, Kirkwallness of Kirkwall.

I think part of it is the personality mix, too, though. Alistair and Morrigan hate each other, but neither is a malicious person. Alistair is a very moral white hat and doesn't know what to think if you betray Morrigan to Flemeth; Morrigan is highly amoral but she's callous and condescending rather than invested in the rivalry. Neither goes after the other's weak spots, as neither ever takes the time to find each other's weak spots. When Morrigan and Alistair bicker, you never get the sense that either of them is actually hurt by it.

Fenris and Anders, on the other hand, know each other's weaknesses and go after them viciously, cheerfully kicking each other when they're down and reveling in the obvious hurt they're able to cause each other. And both are equally vicious to Merrill, who never returns the venom at all, unlike in DA:O; Morrigan picked on Leliana sometimes, but Leliana was basically teflon and it all just slid off her. And while I'd compare Wynne/Zev to Aveline/Isabela, Wynne fought back quite capably against Zev from the beginning and always seemed more annoyed than actually angry, while Aveline starts out with genuine aggression and hurt and takes seeral years to get to confident affection.

So while the various conflicts may not be more numerous or intense in DA2, I think that the DA2 characters react to them more strongly and are perhaps more affected by them, which can give the impression that the DA2 team is more of a pile of assholes, or whatever.

Modifié par Quething, 01 novembre 2011 - 10:46 .

[Gervaise]

Something I also wondered was if the writers made MoA deliberately more lighthearted to bring out the fact that there was something in the overal oppressive atmosphere of Kirkwall that made people more mean to one another. I haven't played through with all the companions yet, but when I took through Anders and Fenris together, whilst there was still a bit of aggro, it was much less pronounced than back in Kirkwall. The only time Fenris got really narky was when Hawke elected to help Tallis. It was like we were all on holiday together and so relieved to get out of the city, no one wanted to spoil it.

[Nyreen]

Totally agree with the OP. At least when companion were fussy with each other it was hilarious and mostly playful. DA2 companions brood, sulk, b****, and don't even have engaging banter most of the time. And it's not like DAO are any more fortunate. Alistair's grew up cloistered bastard son, Oghren's wife leaves him for a woman, Wynne had her child taken from her, Morrigan was parented by a crazy witch dragon, Zevran mistakenly killed his lover, even Dog has suffered, losing his former master. So use the "Oh but they have a good excuse to brood" card on me - Im'm not buying it. DAO companions suffered just as much, and still maintained a dramatically better sense of humor and playfulness.

[hoorayforicecream]

Celestina wrote...

Totally agree with the OP. At least when companion were fussy with each other it was hilarious and mostly playful. DA2 companions brood, sulk, b****, and don't even have engaging banter most of the time. And it's not like DAO are any more fortunate. Alistair's grew up cloistered bastard son, Oghren's wife leaves him for a woman, Wynne had her child taken from her, Morrigan was parented by a crazy witch dragon, Zevran mistakenly killed his lover, even Dog has suffered, losing his former master. So use the "Oh but they have a good excuse to brood" card on me - Im'm not buying it. DAO companions suffered just as much, and still maintained a dramatically better sense of humor and playfulness.

The only two who actively brood in DA2 are Anders and Fenris. The others don't. So... if by "DA2 Companions" you mean 2 out of 7 (8, including sibling), then... I guess? They brood. I guess you can add in Carver if you want to include the sulking and complaining, but that's not even half of them. I had a great time with Varric, Isabela, Aveline and Merrill as my regular party members. Personally, I found the banter in DA2 far superior to the banter in DAO. If you don't like broody banter, how about not bringing broody characters?

[Nyreen]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Celestina wrote...

Totally agree with the OP. At least when companion were fussy with each other it was hilarious and mostly playful. DA2 companions brood, sulk, b****, and don't even have engaging banter most of the time. And it's not like DAO are any more fortunate. Alistair's grew up cloistered bastard son, Oghren's wife leaves him for a woman, Wynne had her child taken from her, Morrigan was parented by a crazy witch dragon, Zevran mistakenly killed his lover, even Dog has suffered, losing his former master. So use the "Oh but they have a good excuse to brood" card on me - Im'm not buying it. DAO companions suffered just as much, and still maintained a dramatically better sense of humor and playfulness.

The only two who actively brood in DA2 are Anders and Fenris. The others don't. So... if by "DA2 Companions" you mean 2 out of 7 (8, including sibling), then... I guess? They brood. I guess you can add in Carver if you want to include the sulking and complaining, but that's not even half of them. I had a great time with Varric, Isabela, Aveline and Merrill as my regular party members. Personally, I found the banter in DA2 far superior to the banter in DAO. If you don't like broody banter, how about not bringing broody characters?

I only brought Carver as long as I had to, I recruited Fenris once, never brought him along or recruited him again. I actually romanced Anders, hoping that he would retain his humor and some playfulness. (We all know how that went, romanced or not.) Isabela ran off the first time, but every time thereafter I handed her over to the Ari'shok. Aveline's banter wasn't broody; just boring. I quickly got sick of Sebastian's Chant-bile. Merrill's banter was amusing, but I refused to support her wrist-cutting, demon-dealing ways; so every time I visited her she was an angry, angsty teenager. (I didn't even have to choose aggressive options for her to shout at me.)

I always brought Varric along. He was great company, and the only one who didn't make Hawke's existence more miserable.

So - no, I favored Origin characters. Even when my altruistic Warden couldn't see eye to eye with Morrigan, at least I could call her a selfish b****. Plus I could talk to them whenever and wherever I wanted.

Modifié par Celestina, 02 novembre 2011 - 07:56 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Celestina wrote...

I only brought Carver as long as I had to, I recruited Fenris once, never brought him along or recruited him again. I actually romanced Anders, hoping that he would retain his humor and some playfulness. (We all know how that went, romanced or not.) Isabela ran off the first time, but every time thereafter I handed her over to the Ari'shok. Aveline's banter wasn't broody; just boring. I quickly got sick of Sebastian's Chant-bile. Merrill's banter was amusing, but I refused to support her wrist-cutting, demon-dealing ways; so every time I visited her she was an angry, angsty teenager. (I didn't even have to choose aggressive options for her to shout at me.)

I always brought Varric along. He was great company, and the only one who didn't make Hawke's existence more miserable.

So - no, I favored Origin characters. Even when my altruistic Warden couldn't see eye to eye with Morrigan, at least I could call her a selfish b****. Plus I could talk to them whenever and wherever I wanted.

Disliking the DA2 characters is fine, but that doesn't make what you said about them being broody, complainy, or sulky true. It just makes you seem like you couldn't be bothered with facts to justify your statements. It's fine to like one batch over another, but making stuff up about the ones you don't like seems disingenuous to me.

[Nyreen]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Celestina wrote...

I only brought Carver as long as I had to, I recruited Fenris once, never brought him along or recruited him again. I actually romanced Anders, hoping that he would retain his humor and some playfulness. (We all know how that went, romanced or not.) Isabela ran off the first time, but every time thereafter I handed her over to the Ari'shok. Aveline's banter wasn't broody; just boring. I quickly got sick of Sebastian's Chant-bile. Merrill's banter was amusing, but I refused to support her wrist-cutting, demon-dealing ways; so every time I visited her she was an angry, angsty teenager. (I didn't even have to choose aggressive options for her to shout at me.)

I always brought Varric along. He was great company, and the only one who didn't make Hawke's existence more miserable.

So - no, I favored Origin characters. Even when my altruistic Warden couldn't see eye to eye with Morrigan, at least I could call her a selfish b****. Plus I could talk to them whenever and wherever I wanted.

Disliking the DA2 characters is fine, but that doesn't make what you said about them being broody, complainy, or sulky true. It just makes you seem like you couldn't be bothered with facts to justify your statements. It's fine to like one batch over another, but making stuff up about the ones you don't like seems disingenuous to me.

Fenris is broody, Anders is broody, and unless I support blood magic, Merill is angsty. Sebastian whines as you would expect of a Chantry-boy prince. If you want me to link to examples and proof of their broody/angst ways, go ahead and YouTube it yourself. I did not "make this stuff up".

Modifié par Celestina, 02 novembre 2011 - 08:11 .

[Ryo Bondiko]

Actually, I thinks the fact that not all party members get along perfectly well does make them much more lifelike. I mean would you agree with everyone just because he is a friend of a friend of yours? Sure, to keep the peace most people would not voice their opinions as openly or agressively as i.e. Fenris does, but still, thinking that a band of people as different as the party members in DA2 could get along like a loving family is fairly unlikely.

Also, as many people said before, the DAO companions didn't get along so well either. Morrigan didn't have a fireplace for herself just for fun. No one, except for Leliana, Dog and most of my Wardens, liked her and vice versa. And I think that what happend between her and Alistair was a little beyond "bickering" and didn't really change (in contrast Aveline and Isabella actually developed a good relationship later) in the course of the game. It's pretty much the same for Zevran, he is only kept around for his skills not because anyone particularly likes him (One of the rare occasions where Morrigan and Alistair agree) and Sten is pretty much the same story. But well, what can you expect of two open murderers?

[hoorayforicecream]

Celestina wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Disliking the DA2 characters is fine, but that doesn't make what you said about them being broody, complainy, or sulky true. It just makes you seem like you couldn't be bothered with facts to justify your statements. It's fine to like one batch over another, but making stuff up about the ones you don't like seems disingenuous to me.

Fenris is broody, Anders is broody, and unless I support blood magic, Merill is angsty. Sebastian whines as you would expect of a Chantry-boy prince. If you want me to link to examples and proof of their broody/angst ways, go ahead and YouTube it yourself. I did not "make this stuff up".

That's still less than half of the characters, only under certain circumstances, and two (Merrill and Sebastian) that shouldn't count, because you're counting behavior not applicable to the topic of the thread ("how my companions react to each other", not "how my companions react to Hawke").

But whatever. If you want to lump them all into one big bucket and say "they aren't because I say they aren't", then you're welcome to do so. But it still doesn't make it fact and it shouldn't surprise you that people disagree.

[Sealy]

Celestina wrote...

Totally agree with the OP. At least when companion were fussy with each other it was hilarious and mostly playful. DA2 companions brood, sulk, b****, and don't even have engaging banter most of the time. And it's not like DAO are any more fortunate. Alistair's grew up cloistered bastard son, Oghren's wife leaves him for a woman, Wynne had her child taken from her, Morrigan was parented by a crazy witch dragon, Zevran mistakenly killed his lover, even Dog has suffered, losing his former master. So use the "Oh but they have a good excuse to brood" card on me - Im'm not buying it. DAO companions suffered just as much, and still maintained a dramatically better sense of humor and playfulness.

Okay, growing up as a bastard , like most of the companions in every Dragon Age game short of Aveline, Hawke, Sebastion, Aeducen, Cousland and Tabris, is in no way comparable growing up as a slave, or spending your entire life running and being brought back to a place that treats you like your less then a person. Plus he was raised in the Chantry as a Templar, I am pretty sure although he didn't like his life, he probably wasn't treated very badly. The only one who had a slightly comparable life is Zevran and even he had more choice then Anders or Fenris ever did.

Your wife leaving you for someone else has nothing on your entire family being murdered and the stress of trying to figure out who you are from there.

Being raised by someone crazy (and slightly abusive if the fade is canon) is slightly comparable being sold by your mother to the first bidder, and given to a man who thought of you as a possesion and not a person. (Izzy doesn't brood at all, you just don't like her cause you were unable to figure out here friend/rival system the first time and she betrayed you, that has nothing to do with how she interacts with others) Edit: I didn't know but as Ryzaki pointed out, Morrigans life is worse then I previously though, still both interact quite well, if not snarkily with their companions.  

Wynne was brought to the Tower and saw it as a safe haven and better then what she had before, Anders was ripped away from what I gather was a loving mother and brought to a place that he felt was a prison. These situations are not comparable.
 
So yah, actually the DA:O companions were way more fortunate then at least Fenris, Sebastion and Anders. That isn't to say that the DA2 characters don't brood or angst, but I am afraid they do have more to brood or angst about then any companions in DA:O.  (Also, Sebastian never broods or angsts at all so I don't know why I even included him. He merely trys to counsel the group, even then not so much, I mean Isabela even askes for a lecture and Sebastion wasn't even gearing towards one. Wynne was more preachy then him.)

Celestina wrote...

I only brought Carver as long as I had to, I recruited Fenris once, never brought him along or recruited him again. I actually romanced Anders, hoping that he would retain his humor and some playfulness. (We all know how that went, romanced or not.) Isabela ran off the first time, but every time thereafter I handed her over to the Ari'shok. Aveline's banter wasn't broody; just boring. I quickly got sick of Sebastian's Chant-bile. Merrill's banter was amusing, but I refused to support her wrist-cutting, demon-dealing ways; so every time I visited her she was an angry, angsty teenager. (I didn't even have to choose aggressive options for her to shout at me.)

I always brought Varric along. He was great company, and the only one who didn't make Hawke's existence more miserable.

So - no, I favored Origin characters. Even when my altruistic Warden couldn't see eye to eye with Morrigan, at least I could call her a selfish b****. Plus I could talk to them whenever and wherever I wanted.

None of that has anything to do with How the companions interact with eachother. The gameplay shouldn't really come into play at all, whether you confront Merrill at her house or half way up sundermount if you are her rival, I would think you would be prepared to be treated as her rival. And if you only play these characters "as much as you have to" or not at all then yah it's understandable that the only character you seem to get along with is the only character who has pretty much nothing to complain about. Other then having a bastard for a brother. This is not everyones playthroughs, most of us get to know the characters, gah, there are so many character groups that if put together have light hearted banter till their hearts content, even Anders and Merrill and Fenris have moments of chit chat, when they're not to busy hating one one another.

Personally it just sounds like you have a hate on for DA2, saw a thread where you could vent and did so. Your posts have nothing to do with the way the companions get along. Alas, haters gonna hate.

Ack! My first wall-o-text! I love it like a child already.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 02 novembre 2011 - 10:41 .

[Ryzaki]

I agreed with most of what you said...but Flemeth was plenty abusive to Morrigan. Just because someone doesn't beat you doesn't make them non-abusive.

"No little girl wants to hear the tales of the wilder men her mother took to her bed, using them until they were spent and then killing them. No little girl wants to hear that this is expected of her too when she comes of age." 

Isabela at least escaped her mother and husband and is free. Morrigan (if WH is any indication) has no where near as much freedom as Isabela does and is far more emotionally stunted. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 novembre 2011 - 10:26 .

[Sealy]

Edit: question answered above.

Ryzaki wrote...

I agreed with most of what you said...but Flemeth was plenty abusive to Morrigan. Just because someone doesn't beat you doesn't make them non-abusive.

"No little girl wants to hear the tales of the wilder men her mother took to her bed, using them until they were spent and then killing them. No little girl wants to hear that this is expected of her too when she comes of age." 

Isabela at least escaped her mother and husband and is free. Morrigan (if WH is any indication) has no where near as much freedom as Isabela does and is far more emotionally stunted. 

 
I recant my statement then, Isabela and Morrigans lives are not comparable as Morrigan probably had it worse. But neither sulk at all, both took rather drab and cold life and made themselves stronger women because of it. Both interact quite hilariously to any companions that try to judge them.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 02 novembre 2011 - 10:38 .

[Ryzaki]

Fleshdress wrote...

I recant my statement then, Isabela and Morrigans lives are not comparable as Morrigan probably had it worse. But neither sulk at all, both took rather drab and cold life and made themselves stronger women because of it. Both interact quite hilariously to any companions that try to judge them.

Oh I agree neither sulk. It's just the Isabela had it worse thing that made me arch a brow. 

[labargegrrrl]

you know, i just thought about DAA banter for a second. it seemed a bit more abrasive than DAO too, though not to the extent that DA2 had. maybe characters are just more invested in challenging each other when they're stuck together for a longer period.