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[Seven One]

Im trying to do a moral playthrough, but then got a surprise when Morrigan appeared in my room and wants to concieve a child with me to let me live. Im guessing the reason for this is so she can take the body over later on since it will contain the soul of the old god and Flemeth has done the same in the past  to others.

I dont trust Morrigan, but then again, if I say no to her and sacrifice myself it goes against the story Bioware seems to have intended since Awakenings story says the Warden survived.

I know I can have the other warden make the killing blow, in this case Alastair, but I made him king and dont want him to die either.

Im puzzled at allowing a dead Warden to be imported into Awakenings. Is conceiving the dark spawn child what Bioware intends since they even made an acheivement for it?

Or, if I continue my playthrough with sacrificing myself after saying no to Morrigan, then import my save into Awakenings, how will it handle the choices I made when it carrys over to Dragon Age 2 and possibly 3 if that comes out? Will it assume I concieved a child with Morrigan and did the ritual, or that another Warden made the killing blow?

[Darkov]

You can sacrifice yourself and create a new Warden for Awakenings.

Though I've never done that before.

[Zaxarus]

Possible solutions are
- ritual
- you die killing the demon
- alistairs dies killing the demon
- loghain dies killing the demon
If you don't want Alistair to die and killed Loghain it will be ritual or your death.

In Awakening you can create a new warden (being an orleasian then) or import your game. As far as i know there is no explanation but your character shows up, so i think the canon solution is the ritual.

DA2 has not much to do with your DAO playthru. Only a very few informations carry over and you have a completly new character.

For DA3 not much is known but it is expected to follow the canon-solution (warden survives thanks to dark ritual).

[Ferretinabun]

It's very annoying, but if you die killing the Archdemon and then start Awakenings as a new Orlesian warden, the game does not remember the choices you made. If you ask Awakenings to play using a character you sacrificed, it retroactively assumes you did the ritual after all. So yes, the Ultimate Sacrifice ending is fairly difficult to take as canon. You could, of course, play Origins and import that straight into DA2, ignoring Awakenings and the post-Origins DLC altogether, but that seems a bit odd to me.

If it helps, we don't know (yet) exactly what Morrigan has planned for the Old God Baby. Maybe her motives are nefarious - maybe not. I wouldn't call making the OGB an immoral choice, necessarily. Then again, if your character just doesn't trust Morrigan, that's reason enough to not want to do it.

As for making it canon - that's extremly difficult. Bioware will be accutely aware that they have to cater for people who did not do the ritual. Then again it's too big a story-plot not to follow up on. Personally I'm expecting Bioware to produce a game where Morrigan ends up with the Old God Baby, adding in some small extra explanation for those who refused her about how she ended up with it anyway. To simply retcon it and declare that everyone DID accept the ritual would be extremely bad form.

In short, I suspect yes Bioware now wish they HAD made the dark ritual canon, but it's too late now. They're kinda caught between wanting to explore the OGB as a plot device and catering for those who refused it. It'll be pretty interesting how Bioware manage this little tangle.

[Seven One]

If I do import my save to Awakenings after not going through with the ritual, does it make any references to the Warden being the one who killed the archdemon and being the main protagonist from Origins as I play through?

Since it also lets you have a backstory that youre an Orlesean Warden maybe the story assumes thats who I am, but saves all the other choices I made?


To me, having the child with Morrigan just doesnt seem right and no good will come of it. As a Warden, you have a death sentence anyways and youre just prolonging the inevitable. You never get to see your baby ever, she uses forbidden blood magic, and brings the soul of an Old God back into the world. From what I can tell, Morrigan wants to become a God by raising the child and taking over the body, since she admitted Flemeth saved the Warden and also planned to take the child.


Im not sure how big a role these choices plan into Dragon Age 2, and possibly 3 down the road, but Im thinking if the Warden turns down the Ritual yet somehow lives by importing the save into Awakenings, they could maybe write it off as Morrigan or Flemeth performing a different ritual in secret that saves the Warden somehow?

[ejoslin]

It is supposed to acknowledge the dark ritual not being done, but I'm not sure if any of the Awakening choices carry through if that happens.

Edit: And truthfully, there really are many issue with import flags as it is.  I'm not sure it's worth worrying about.

Modifié par ejoslin, 31 octobre 2011 - 04:42 .

[Seven One]

I made a save at the Landsmeet just in case.

I want to be able to carry my choices over from Origins to Awakenings, but Im not sure if it works if I dont go through with the ritual. Im thinking I might have to just get Alastair to have the child with Morrigan instead just for story continuity?


Its hard not to worry about it though after sinking 60 hours into Origins, then intending to play through the rest of the DLC and Dragon Age 2 based on those choices when I risk screwing the story up since theres a major plot hole... I wish Bioware accounted for those choices being made. Makes me sorta feel like I wasted my time on how I played through the game...

[Seven One]

I cant win it seems... I didnt harden Alistair so he runs off if I dont kill Loghain. I guess Im going to just go through with the Ritual then. Maybe it adds some special extra quest in Dragon Age 3 or something...

[LT123]

If doing the US works best for your Warden, go for it, then skip Awakening and the DLC and import into DA2. DA2 assumes Awakening happened and the Orlesian Warden was the Warden-Commander. You'll get a different side quest than you would if you had imported from Awakening.

All your choices from Origins will carry over (as far as I've seen).

[Jedimaster88]

greengoron89 wrote...

I agree with LT, the Ultimate Sacrifice sounds like your best option. It's a beautiful and fitting ending in many ways - definitely one of my three preferred endings (the others being Loghain's redemption and Alistair's romance).

Allowing Morrigan to give birth to the freakin' Antichrist sounds very, very bad and completely nullifies your efforts against the Blight IMHO.

What makes you so 100% certain that the child will be an antichrist? So far we havent seen anything that would support that. We know only very little about the child so I wouldnt jump to conclusions right away. After everything, I doubt things will be that simple with Morrigan and the child.

Have you read this short comic http://blog.bioware....elation-comic/?

This is a scene that was intented to be in the game but it was cut. It shows that Morrigan herself seems to have worries about the ritual. We dont know her full motives yet, but I guess one thing is certain if the player character falls in love with her or becomes a friend to her. Like she says in with hunt, one of her reasons are that she doesnt want the warden to die. After everything they´ve been through, the warden is propably the only person she truly cares about in that world.

This is what I think. I maybe wrong as well. Only time will tell us what we want to know hopefully.

[caradoc2000]

Jedimaster88 wrote...

What makes you so 100% certain that the child will be an antichrist?

I don't like crossovers either

[Jedimaster88]

Doesnt Morrigan say that the child will be born with the soul of an Old God, FREE from the taint?

"Allow me to say that what I seek is the essence of an Old God, one that once was and NOT the dark forces that corrupted it"

"The child will represent freedom for an ancient power, a chance to be reborn apart from the rest of the taint..."

Im not sure if it was exactly like this, how she says it but its something like that.

[gandanlin]

If I recall correctly, the Old Gods were the deities of the Tevinter Imperium. That fact alone might be of great concern to a Warden who was committed to serve Ferelden and its people -- and their religious beliefs. Reincarnating an Old God might cause Ferelden to once again fall under the yoke of enslavement by the forces of the Imperium.

Could be a dangerous road to go down.

Modifié par gandanlin, 01 novembre 2011 - 09:38 .

[Jedimaster88]

gandanlin wrote...

If I recall correctly, the Old Gods were the deities of the Tevinter Imperium. That fact alone might be of great concern to a Warden who was committed to serve Ferelden and its people -- and their religious beliefs. Reincarnating an Old God might cause Ferelden to once again fall under the yoke of enslavement by the forces of the Imperium.

Could be a dangerous road to go down.

To be more precise, the warden hasnt committed to serve Ferelden. The wardens, as I understand, fight the darkspawn wherever they are found. Ferelden, Orlais etc. They serve the whole world, not just one nation and as Duncan says, Chantry business is not their business.

You have good points about the Tevinter Imperium. However Im not sure if I should believe every single thing the Chantry says about history. Im not that big Chantry fan after everything I have seen and heard about them. Im not saying that everything the chantry says is a lie, but I doubt that they speak the whole truth either.

[Jedimaster88]

greengoron89 wrote...

Her exact words:

"What I propose is this: lay with me tonight, and from our joining a child will be conceived. The child will bear the taint, and when the Archdemon is slain, its essence will seek the child like a beacon."

Putting the soul of an Old God into a body bearing the taint sounds like a very BAD idea. As I said, I don't know just how much of the taint is required to transform an Old God into an Archdemon, but allowing any amount of taint to come into contact with an Old God is not a risk I'd ever take.

As I have understood it, the taint is required to draw the soul to the child, because otherwise it would automatically go to the Grey warden. After that it somehow changes. This is some magic stuff we´re talking about. Just because it came from Flemeth, doesnt mean Morrigan has same plans for the child as Flemeth does.

I like Morrigan as character and I certainly hope to get answers some day, because Im curious about the child. This is partly why I have my warden do the ritual. Its more fitting for him to do it because he loves Morrigan and wants to trust her. It feels good that he can see his son in the end and face the future together with the woman he loves. I prefer this over giving Loghain a chance to die as a hero after everything he did.

Just my opinion.

[MEMANIAsama]

Without debating about Morrigan's "demon god baby anti-christ savior of mankind" thing I want to state that I pretty much had these exact same issues.

HOWEVER, MAYBE there is hope... I could be 1000% wrong here... I remember reading somewhere that if you import a DA1 save, and any DAA, Witch Hunt, Golems saves are present it will automatically load those choices too. This could be total bull, but I remember seeing it somewhere on the wiki or the forums a week or so ago when I was looking into all this stuff.

Allow me to let you in on a secret... this game will force your hand multiple times. Because I missed the small window to Harden Alistair I had to kill Loghain, I couldn't just destroy my BFFs life like that even if he was being a stubborn brat about it all. That being said, you are definitely forced to either sacrifice your pal (or Loghain) or sleep with Morrigan for any choices to be canon in Awakening. If you transfer a sacrifice to Awakening they just assume you slept with Morrigan anyways.

Then, Awakening is a GIANT mess of messes with flags and transfers in DA2. These might be spoilers, but, whatever, you NEED to know this stuff in advance. You can't save both places at the end of Awakening. You have a choice, you save a city and everyone else NOT in your party is DEAD MEAT, or you let a bunch of innocent anonymous people die but save all your party members and other important type NPCs. Additionally, you need to have Nathaniel in your party at the end of the game, regardless of which choice you make, or I believe DA2 also marks him off as DEAD MEAT. Then to make matters even more worse, the Architect will be marked as ALIVE regardless of if you kill him or not. So, you are VERY limited in your choices in Awakening, in terms of not breaking your immersion/continuity/canon. It is BALLS.

So, you can either just skip Awakening and go with Vanilla (which might be better since you don't have to worry about plot flags being a mess) maybe do the Witch Hunt or Golems DLC if you feel inclined. (Remember its origins > awakening > golems > witch hunt, so if you skip awakening go golems > witch hunt.) or, if the above crazy theory works, you can do the deed with Morrigan and go through Awakening and pick the "forced" choices, OR you can NOT do the deed with Morrigan, pick an Orlesian Warden, deal with the Orlesian Wardens backstory about Origins not matching up with your own (most frustrating thing they did IMHO, why couldn't they let you import story without character?! Was it really that damn hard to do?) and hope that all your Orlesian stuff imports as well as your personal Origins stuff imports when you import your Origins epilogue save.

Good times, huh? Welcome to my world about a week or two ago.

[MEMANIAsama]

Side-Note: Another "forcing my hand" moment is the Witch Hunt DLC, sure you can skip doing it/experiencing it, but... seriously, I told Morrigan I wasn't going to follow her, then you give me a DLC where I'm searching for her? What the heck?

[Ferretinabun]

Jedimaster88 wrote...

Have you read this short comic http://blog.bioware....elation-comic/?

This is a scene that was intented to be in the game but it was cut. It shows that Morrigan herself seems to have worries about the ritual. We dont know her full motives yet, but I guess one thing is certain if the player character falls in love with her or becomes a friend to her. Like she says in with hunt, one of her reasons are that she doesnt want the warden to die. After everything they´ve been through, the warden is propably the only person she truly cares about in that world.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it was a scene from the Bioware writers. It is basically fanfic - though it has had the thumbs up from Gaider. I don't like it much for the exact reason that it shows Morrigan expressing remorse/anxiety about the ritual. From the scene in the game where she proposes it, it always struck me that she was very confident it was a good idea.

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 04 novembre 2011 - 02:26 .

[Ferretinabun]

MEMANIAsama wrote...

...Then to make matters even more worse, the Architect will be marked as ALIVE regardless of if you kill him or not.

I'm pretty sure this was fixed in a patch.

[Roland The Great]

ok so here is my not understanding the plot if your a female and you cannot have a child with morrigan you can't have the love sceen with her nor is she going to do the darkritual? you can go through the lianna sceen but to what effect and do you start a relationship with alister? is the choice available to be queen with alister I have never finished a female all the way through, because of the inventory issue that existed before the latest patches that fix that?

[caradoc2000]

You can get the ritual with a female Warden, but Alistair/Loghain will have to do it.

And you can be queen to Alistair if you are Human Noble.