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[WhiteKnyght]

IanPolaris wrote...

I think the brand is seperate from the tranquility ritual itself. If Feynriel post tranquil decides to join the circle (and post tranquil it's probably the most logical and best place for him), I see no reason why the Templars wouldn't put the identifying brand on him once they verified he was in fact tranquil.

-Polaris

You clearly haven't paid enough attention. Listen to the tranquil who guards the Mage's Chest in Ostagar.

The brand is made of lyrium and it's what severs the mage's connection to the Fade.

[IanPolaris]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

I think the brand is seperate from the tranquility ritual itself. If Feynriel post tranquil decides to join the circle (and post tranquil it's probably the most logical and best place for him), I see no reason why the Templars wouldn't put the identifying brand on him once they verified he was in fact tranquil.

-Polaris

You clearly haven't paid enough attention. Listen to the tranquil who guards the Mage's Chest in Ostagar.

The brand is made of lyrium and it's what severs the mage's connection to the Fade.

I have listened just fine.  There was no brand on any tranquil in DAO that was VISIBLE.  In fact we are explicitly told the precise process is a secret.  There is no reason to think that the brand itself makes you tranquil.

-Polaris

[EmperorSahlertz]

There weren't any brands because there was difficulties with the engine to handle them, or some such. The brands were always supposed to be there,sor of like the Qunari horns.

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

There weren't any brands because there were difficulties with the engine to handle them, or some such. The brands were always supposed to be there,sor of like the Qunari horns.

Yet the developers had no problem placing markings ("blood writing") on the faces of the Dalish elves. I don't see why there would be an issue with a much smaller marking on the face of only a handful of tranquil mages.

Still, I don't see why the Circle of Kirkwall would place a brand on Feynriel except to identify him as a tranquil mage, since Hawke makes him tranquil without the specific procedure that the tranquil mage at Ostagar reveals only to a non-mage Warden who inquires.

[Gervaise]

May be the mark was put there so he could come and go as he pleased and no one would need to challenge him over it. Or may be if he arrived on their doorstep having come from the Dalish they put the brand on him just to be on the safe side - Thrask knew he had been having problems in the past with nightmares, so even though he appeared to have been made tranquil, knowing he had previously had problems with demons trying to possess him, they wanted to make absolutely sure there was no danger of him becoming an abomination.

[WhiteKnyght]

Tranquil Mage: "Our forehead is branded with magic. Which stills our talent and mind."

[IanPolaris]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Tranquil Mage: "Our forehead is branded with magic. Which stills our talent and mind."

That doesn't mean the process itself leaves a visible mark, and it doesn't mean the process or statement is to be taken literally.  You are reading much too much into that statement.

-Polaris

[Big I]

I don't get why Tranquil mages are still in the Circle if they have families. If the Circle had made Bethany tranquil I imagine Hawke and Leandra would have wanted her back.

[Dave of Canada]

Gaider admit the Tranquil have brands, DA:O just couldn't handle it and you can just imagine they have the brand elsewhere on their body.

[TEWR]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Gaider admit the Tranquil have brands, DA:O just couldn't handle it and you can just imagine they have the brand elsewhere on their body.

Just.... not in that area. That would probably be painful.

[Quething]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Gaider admit the Tranquil have brands, DA:O just couldn't handle it and you can just imagine they have the brand elsewhere on their body.

Do I need to make a mod to put the DA:2 Tranquil brand on all the DA:O Tranquil? Because I will if I have to. It will take me all of five minutes.

[bleetman]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I don't get why Tranquil mages are still in the Circle if they have families. If the Circle had made Bethany tranquil I imagine Hawke and Leandra would have wanted her back.

I'm a little skeptical about that. For all intents and purposes, Tranquility destroys everything that made a person who they were.

[caradoc2000]

bleetman wrote...

For all intents and purposes, Tranquility destroys everything that made a person who they were.

Nah, it only removes the demon threat and the pesky emotions. The tranquil are the Vulcans of Thedas.

[KJandrew]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I don't get why Tranquil mages are still in the Circle if they have families. If the Circle had made Bethany tranquil I imagine Hawke and Leandra would have wanted her back.

The Tranquil think things through logically. They may not have seen they're families since childhood and may not even remember much about them but more importantly in the Circle they  have access to the materiels that they alone among humans can manipulate, allowing them to help their old friends and make some money on the side. Added to this they may not be able to fully intergrate into communities as the peasants may be somewhat disconcerted by a tranquil.

[Quething]

caradoc2000 wrote...

bleetman wrote...

For all intents and purposes, Tranquility destroys everything that made a person who they were.

Nah, it only removes the demon threat and the pesky emotions. The tranquil are the Vulcans of Thedas.

In DA:O this appeared to be the case. In DA2 they seem to have retconned the process a little; DA2 tranquil are not void of emotions only, but also any semblance of willpower, initiative, or independent thought. Owain seems like an actual person, and seems to have some kind of continuity with and identification with the person he was before he chose the Rite. Karl seems to be a complete automaton, who's almost body-snatched by some other personality when Justice briefly restores his Fade connection. He doesn't even know what Anders is about to do once the tranquility kicks back in, even though he himself asked him to not five seconds previous.

Spock would not calmly submit to rape because his rightful superior instructed him to. Sarek wouldn't. Data wouldn't. DA2 tranquil do. It's far more than just the removal of emotions, now. (Which is probelmatic in light of established canon; in DA:O, I actually saw the appeal of tranquility for weak mages, and completely believed that people would voluntarily ask for it. In DA2 I find that inconceivable).

I think Leandra and Hawke would happily take a DA:O-style Tranquil Beth back into their home. It would break their hearts to have her around, but she'd still be Beth and she herself might prefer being around them and find it more comfortable than the Circle. (Same with Arianni and Feynriel). DA2-style Tranquil Beth, on the other hand, any Hawke of mine would kill on sight and consider it not just mercy, but filial obligation.

Modifié par Quething, 01 novembre 2011 - 11:57 .

[Bayz]

He is doing what every tranquil is doing...

[EmperorSahlertz]

IanPolaris wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Tranquil Mage: "Our forehead is branded with magic. Which stills our talent and mind."

That doesn't mean the process itself leaves a visible mark, and it doesn't mean the process or statement is to be taken literally.  You are reading much too much into that statement.

-Polaris

The word "brand" pretty much means it leaves a mark.... Matter of fact is, the Tranquils were always supposed to have a branded forehead, but for whatever reason, DA:O didn't include it. That is the long and short of it.

[Bayz]

He gets around. He's a playa, like ser Jory.

[AlexXIV]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Tranquil Mage: "Our forehead is branded with magic. Which stills our talent and mind."

That doesn't mean the process itself leaves a visible mark, and it doesn't mean the process or statement is to be taken literally.  You are reading much too much into that statement.

-Polaris

The word "brand" pretty much means it leaves a mark.... Matter of fact is, the Tranquils were always supposed to have a branded forehead, but for whatever reason, DA:O didn't include it. That is the long and short of it.

Because the Fereldans are special. They always do silly stuff like not branding their tranquils, not annulling their circles, ending Blights before they spread, etc.

[Gervaise]

Just a thought but perhaps the reason the DAO tranquil like Owain and the DA2 tranquil like Karl appear very different in their demeanour is based on whether or not they submitted to the rite voluntarily.

If you had asked for the rite to be performed and underwent it willingly, then at the time it occurred you would have a relaxed state of mind and it would literally just sever the Fade connection, giving you the sense of release that would allow you to continue to function in a self determining way.

However, if you had been forced to undergo the rite, kicking and screaming, until the brand was applied, then at the moment you were divorced from the Fade, you would actually have been in a state of extreme emotional agitation and to shut you off at this point, could well have broken your mind and will utterly. Bear in mind that for a lot of mages in DA2 it was at this point of heightened emotion that many of them lost their minds and became possessed.

What never made much sense to me was how just being in proximity to Justice enabled Karl's mind to be wholly restored and why, if this did restore it temporarily, the possibility did not exist to find a more permanent cure. Anders' insistance on killing Karl made sense from his previous friendship as he would have known that Karl felt the same way about being tranquil as he did, but to actually see Karl could be restored and then kill him seemed wrong. To me the obvious answer, if the close presence of Justice made such a difference to Karl's mind, was to suggest that Justice popped over into Karl - tranquility reversed!