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[Nashiktal]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

So you just want to bump into some old faces and you're happy?

Krogans uniting vs. Krogans NOT uniting was a pretty big difference to me.

Well, if ME2 had actually done anything with that, it might have had an impact. It's not like the Ambassador wasn't there, or the same Krogan rivals.

Frankly I can't tell if Wreave was supposed to be raising up a prospectivenew Krogan empire or not.

Definitely agree with you dean. That crystalizes the problem pretty well.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 02 novembre 2011 - 12:57 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Before ME2 came out, the friends of mine who actually play games thought ME2 looked awsome, but felt compelled to buy and play through ME1. They ended up not buying ME2 because they didn't want to play through another title just to enjoy the next installment.

That's a problem for RPGs in general. Trying to sell the fact that Mass Effect 3's story will be very engaging and independent of the first two is not a bad thing. Marketing's whole purpose is to try and get new customers to buy a product. Preaching to the choir doesn't help unless there was something wrong with the product to begin with.

And didn't we see this coming anyways? Naturally Mass Effect 3's plot is going to cancel out the other two.

Mass Effect 1 was about preventing an unstoppable invasion. The Reapers end up arriving anyways, but at least you have a chance now. No matter what, events in ME1 were going to be overshadowed.

Mass Effect 2 was about preventing the possible extinction of the Human race and setting back the Reapers plans. They most likely wanted a Human Reaper completed before they even invaded so they could simply wipe the rest of humanity out. After Mass Effect 2 there may actually be enough Humans left to survive a galactic war.

Mass Effect 3 is about winning a real galactic war against the Reapers. The previous two games while important because the events which led to this point, are now small beans compared to the scale of ME3's everyone fights or we all die plot.

In a way it really is a good place to jump into the series. Hopefully they design the beginning of the game (the trial) well so it can bring new players up to speed. Also Vega seems to be the noob that helps with plot explaination as well.

I swear sometimes that Developers/Publishers should be more like Blizzard when it comes to Marketing. Inactive forums, years of development, a 30 second trailer once a year and minimal communication with the community. Imagine if Bioware did this:

Bioware: "Game x is coming soon..."
*6 months pass by*
Fans: "When?"
*1 year passes by*
Bioware: "Soon..."
*6 months go by*
Fans: "Hows it going?
Bioware: "reworked a whole bunch of stuff here take a look. By the way this could all change in the next year..."
Fans: "ANOTHER year? I thought you said it was coming out soon 2 years ago???"
Bioware: "Soon, Beta in a year and a half..."

Seems to work for Blizzard. Then we will see if people really think Bioware's marketing/communication is really that bad...

This.

Goddamn it Blizzard.

[DarkDragon777]

Ricinator wrote...

 because the game is 3x longer than Me1.

I don't think so.

[Thompson family]

nutshell43 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...
Looks like purile, juvenile pandering is the way to go, doesn't it? I and many other members of this forum would appreciate it if you didn't point that out too often.

Why? Does it hurt to be shown a mirror or something?

Then show a mirror on the Game of the Year Awards and the reviews.

And nowhere do you provide an argument why that pandering allegedly worked. Either BW lost many buyers and gained many, or the old ones stayed but there were few new ones.

The 500,000 in added sales amounts to a 25 percent increase in this case. "Few new ones," indeed.

Nowhere do you address my points: Given sales of comparable blockbusters you would expect a larger sales increase than ME1->ME2. So ME2's makeover to increase its appeal for the casual market pretty much failed (one reason for ME3's increased RPG elements).

A 25 percent increase in sales, lots of new revenues in DLC and the green light for a big-budget sequel with a hypekrieg marketing campaign and expensive added features  is "pretty much failed" by that logic.

In fact on the PC it failed to badly that despite the huge boost a simultaneous release should have offered (hard to drum up excitement for a year old game - see PS3) it did worse than ME1. OTOH the PC has a more hardcore audience than the 360, so it's not surprising.

Yes, I agree with you that the hardcore audience is a rapidly declining niche market.

That is if vgchartz is correct. Which is anyones guess and leads to this PSA:

*DON'T* use vgchartz. Just make **** up if you have to; it's just as likely to be accurate but doesn't try to appear authoritative. vgchartz is complete and utter crap.

Then show me better numbers, nutshell43. I'd be glad of it.

Modifié par Thompson family, 02 novembre 2011 - 12:59 .

[FluffyScarf]

AC2 was a direct continuation of the ending from AC1. Lucy bails you out of Abstergo. Funnily enough, the whole AC series has a more intriguing and consistent story than both the ME games. Better flow too.

[Ricinator]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Yeah, sure, the characters and expanded lore didn't mean anything at all, nope nope nope...

you say they expanded lore? really? because looks like they shat all over me1 then said Meh lets throw in some bugs that work for the reapers.

[Nashiktal]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

 because the game is 3x longer than Me1.

I don't think so.

Didn't bioware said it was comparable in length to ME2?

[Nashiktal]

FluffyScarf wrote...

AC2 was a direct continuation of the ending from AC1. Lucy bails you out of Abstergo. Funnily enough, the whole AC series has a more intriguing and consistent story than both the ME games. Better flow too.

Probably because they don't answer most of the questions they raise.

[FluffyScarf]

Good riddance to the lore in ME 1. Bunch of pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo. Ironically, if they didn't try so hard to explain how everything worked in ME 1, it would have made it far more believable.

[Fortlowe]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

jreezy wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I'm the kinda guy who reads books over and over, though.

People DO that?!

Maybe the ending changes the ninth time you read it. You never know.

I bet it does if you're stoned enough.

lol, I don't read books stoned, hoping for a different ending. I read the books because I like what they have to offer (even though I've partaken of it before), same for someone watching a movie or *gasp* playing a game over again.

^ This.

[DarkDragon777]

Nashiktal wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

 because the game is 3x longer than Me1.

I don't think so.

Didn't bioware said it was comparable in length to ME2?

I though that ME1 was longer than ME2.....

[Fortlowe]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Good riddance to the lore in ME 1. Bunch of pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo. Ironically, if they didn't try so hard to explain how everything worked in ME 1, it would have made it far more believable.

^ Not this.

[AdmiralCheez]

Ricinator wrote...

you say they expanded lore? really? because looks like they shat all over me1 then said Meh lets throw in some bugs that work for the reapers.

Dunno.  We got the drell, the Justicars, the fate of the protheans, hints as to the Reapers' intentions, more on Cerberus, the vorcha, tons of stuff on quarians and geth, more tech, Aria, krogan culture, yadda yadda yadda...

[Ofcoursenot]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

jreezy wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I'm the kinda guy who reads books over and over, though.

People DO that?!

Maybe the ending changes the ninth time you read it. You never know.

I bet it does if you're stoned enough.

lol, I don't read books stoned, hoping for a different ending. I read the books because I like what they have to offer (even though I've partaken of it before), same for someone watching a movie or *gasp* playing a game over again.

I sometimes read magazines stoned. Especially things I don't normally read. Those tabloid mags are mind blowing if you're baked.

[shepskisaac]

FluffyScarf wrote...

AC2 was a direct continuation of the ending from AC1. Lucy bails you out of Abstergo. Funnily enough, the whole AC series has a more intriguing and consistent story than both the ME games. Better flow too.

The point is, by the time AssCreed 3 get revealed, it will be part 5 of the storyline. They will have to make it somehow accesible for people who didn't necessarily played all 4 previous games. And at the same time, we all know there's gonna be more AssCreeds next generation so yeah, AC3 will end the current story but set the foundations for future games as well, much like ME3 will do.

[BloodyTalon]

-shrugs-

I have the CE version pre-ordered so not stressing over what ign is saying yet.

Once the demo is out it be a good sample but we will se.

If does turn out to be the da 2 of mass effect not worried about that either just means we get some really good dlc later.

Besides till some people ave played the game for at0least ten hours we can't really make judgements on it yet.

And lastly opinions are like butt holes everyone has one and they all smell.

[robarcool]

My reaction to the article: meh!
I know I made a lot of choices in both the games (even though they were mostly same in all playthroughs!) and they will have to matter in ME3. The article is seemingly downplaying the importance of the first two games.

[Nashiktal]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

 because the game is 3x longer than Me1.

I don't think so.

Didn't bioware said it was comparable in length to ME2?

I though that ME1 was longer than ME2.....

It depends. Way to many variables to put a side by side number. ME1 could be completed in four hours under the right conditions. It had way more sidequests, and vehicle exploreation could eat up lots of time.

[AdmiralCheez]

jreezy wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

I though that ME1 was longer than ME2.....

It's not.

They're roughly equal, and that's after hacking to get rid of planet scanning.

[Nashiktal]

IsaacShep wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

AC2 was a direct continuation of the ending from AC1. Lucy bails you out of Abstergo. Funnily enough, the whole AC series has a more intriguing and consistent story than both the ME games. Better flow too.

The point is, by the time AssCreed 3 get revealed, it will be part 5 of the storyline. They will have to make it somehow accesible for people who didn't necessarily played all 4 previous games. And at the same time, we all know there's gonna be more AssCreeds next generation so yeah, AC3 will end the current story but set the foundations for future games as well, much like ME3 will do.

I would dare say the games are already accesible. I went into AC2 with little knowledge of what happened in AC1. I got wrapped up into ezio's story.

...Actually come to think of it ubisoft did a good job of making the game accesible without forcing you to play AC1.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

"It's like the Superbowl. Who cares what happened in the regular season? Now's the one that matters."

Sigh...

Sure! I killed the council and gave the technologically-advanced Collector base to Cerberus! Who cares about that?

Oh wait, Cerberus wants to kill me now? Fffff....k! I thought all that didn't matter!

Edit: All that aside, no one that actually cares about the franchise and knowing the full story will every be completely satisfied with just playing 3. They're definitely going to be like, "WTF Council dead/not dead? WTF Cerberus? Why in the world did you work with them? They're trying to kill you, dude! WTF rachni? What are rachni, anyway? Krogan rebellions? Sovereign? Huh??? I AM SO CONFUSED!!!" My best friend played ME2 with the comic thingy on his PS3, and he's still confused about what's going on. I think he's going to end up playing both ME1 and ME2 on the computer so he can get it all...either that or just give up. Lol.

And the article? Definitely half-you-know-what'd.

Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 02 novembre 2011 - 01:12 .

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Nashiktal wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

 because the game is 3x longer than Me1.

I don't think so.

Didn't bioware said it was comparable in length to ME2?

I think Casey said it may actually be longer than ME2