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[TobyHasEyes]

hotdogbsg wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Damn, Chris almost lost his cool in this thread. Weird.

To be fair it can't be easy to see something you've worked on or are working on, being constantly criticised by a section of this community.

 Yeh nobody is criticising the game in this specific discussion with Chris, people are stating that this is a sloppy bitof marketing.. and that they shouldn't pretend it isn't so

[onelifecrisis]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

What's that, IGN?

The sky is blue?

Wow, I had no idea.

Probably "persuaded" to write something positive about ME3 after that less then flatterring MP review.

This was positive? 

[What?]

This is the laziest article I've seen yet, though I've grown to expect little else from IGN.

[onelifecrisis]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...



Here you go comunity, Take some.

Um, okay.

*nomnomnom*

*nomnomnom*

Yay! I'm so happy that ME3 is going to suck.

[hotdogbsg]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

hotdogbsg wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Damn, Chris almost lost his cool in this thread. Weird.

To be fair it can't be easy to see something you've worked on or are working on, being constantly criticised by a section of this community.

 Yeh nobody is criticising the game in this specific discussion with Chris, people are stating that this is a sloppy bitof marketing.. and that they shouldn't pretend it isn't so

I've seen people criticise all three games on this very thread.

Even if the main criticism on this thread is directed at marketing ( and I'm not a fan of what was said in the article) you have to admit there's more than a few negative posters in the forum who constantly seem to deride the upcoming game.

How often can someone listen to such comments before losing their cool.

Modifié par hotdogbsg, 02 novembre 2011 - 12:03 .

[InfoGuy101]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...



Here you go comunity, Take some.

Only one bottle, you seriously under estimate the negativity that can occur on this forum. 

[Troika0]

"It's like the Superbowl. Who cares what happened in the regular season? Now's the one that matters."

Isn't it about time BioWare dropped the whole "choice and consequence" pretense?

[Arcadian Legend]

Wow, you guys have really gone to town on a few statements in a very short meaningless article.

[Il Divo]

hotdogbsg wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Damn, Chris almost lost his cool in this thread. Weird.

To be fair it can't be easy to see something you've worked on or are working on, being constantly criticised by a section of this community.

While I sympathize with him, that article really does not leave many positive methods of interpretation. At its best, it's still marketing speak. At its worst? It signifies the unimportance of our actions in the first two games.

Modifié par Il Divo, 02 novembre 2011 - 01:22 .

[Whatever42]

BioWare Edmonton general manager Aaryn Flynn says that Mass Effect 1 and 2 were just a warm up, and that Mass Effect 3 will be the main event.

They're working really hard to make it a real proper conclusion, something that's fitting to what they've worked on for so long, and what the fans are telling us they're dying to see.

Are you making two different games in one, Bioware?

[Il Divo]

It certainly sounds like that, doesn't it?

[KainrycKarr]

I care only about what I see in screenshots, videos, and explicitly dev-confirmed features, which is I think ME3 will be a fantastic action-RPG with a good story that we've come to expect.

The rest is marketing. Bioware really does have the WORST marketing(or at least the most inaccurate) I've ever seen.

[DNRB]

Maybe they should've said that earlier, would've saved us the time and money. Or, you know, when they started ten years ago. "Yes this will be an awesome rpg trilogy, but ehm, only the third part is important, who cares about 2/3rd of a story anyway?".

I just realised something. People who see ME3 now but haven't played the 1 en 2 are only  discouraged to buy them. Why would they? If a developer I don't know would say "here, awesome game, it's part three, but one en two are not important anyway" hell no I would waste the time and money on it.

Modifié par BRND, 02 novembre 2011 - 01:38 .

[Whatever42]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Which doesn't say it invalidates or that ME1 & 2 aren't important. Just that in the face of ME3, they seem less important.

Perhaps you don't follow football so do not get the analogy. It doesn't matter whether during the regular season you went 15-1 or 8-8. It doesn't matter whether your quarterback got hurt in week 6 or not. It doesn't matter if you traded your kicker in week 12. It absolutely did matter in week 6 or week 12 or whatever, but NOW is the superbowl. You had to work like hell through opponents and obstacles to get here, but THE TIME IS NOW and what came before was only the path to get you here.

That is Mass Effect 3.

Well, it does matter which players are on the injury list or which players are playing hurt but I get the analogy.

I understand that Bioware choice in games is window dressing, not how the actual story resolves. The conclusion will have different curtains, the aftermath will have different art on the walls. It will be interesting to see how Bioware puts in even these cosmetic differences in a way that is deep and meaningful to existing players but completely irrelevant to new players.

I presume it will be likely making a Disney cartoon. All the humor is directed towards adults and the kids are there for only the bright colors and goofy antics. I think it might be just a bit trickier here.

[Terror_K]

Yeah, make up your minds, BioWare.

Is ME3 a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy that really builds on and wraps up what we did in the first two games because they truly mattered, or is ME3 the only thing that matters because "who cares about the previous two?!" because they were just an insignificant warm-up?

You can't have it both ways. It's bad enough every time Casey, Ray, Greg or anybody else says things like, "this is the best place to jump into Mass Effect" but this article just adds insult to injury. Especially when ME2 wasn't quite as satisfying in the import choices/consequences/variations as it could have been or was even claimed to be.

[Candidate 88766]

onelifecrisis wrote...

 @Candidate
I just read your sig  very good.

Cheers. Its from the film 'the International' - well worth checking out.

[Il Divo]

BRND wrote...

I just realised something. People who see ME3 now but haven't played the 1 en 2 are only  discouraged to buy them. Why would they? If a developer I don't know would say "here, awesome game, it's part three, but one en two are not important anyway" hell no I would waste the time and money on it.

It would be the other way around. If Bioware told us that 1 and 2 are necessary for ME3, that could only discourage people from playing the third chapter, as it indicates that they won't understand what's going on without the predecessors. By attempting to market it as an independent entity, it emphasizes the "jump in and play" factor. There might be some fans who ignore the series altogether, but for anyone who thinks the series looks interesting, an independent installment is exactly what they want to see.

By the quote alone, I would say ME3 is looking to go the way of Nolan's The Dark Knight, which turned out to be a great film but under scrutiny you realize that it doesn't really build off any of the plot elements from Batman Begins. The only aspect newcomers would need to become familiar with would be the Rachel character to really understand what's happening on screen.

Modifié par Il Divo, 02 novembre 2011 - 01:56 .

[Candidate 88766]

KainrycKarr wrote...

I care only about what I see in screenshots, videos, and explicitly dev-confirmed features, which is I think ME3 will be a fantastic action-RPG with a good story that we've come to expect.

The rest is marketing. Bioware really does have the WORST marketing(or at least the most inaccurate) I've ever seen.

Yeah same. Stuff like that article is for people who aren't yet ME fans. The screenshots, the Bioware TV expisodes, the Twitter posts, all that stuff is more directed at us.

Also, I think Battlefield 3's marketing team was worse. Before BF3 came out they were making a huge fuss about how it was going to directly compete with and destroy CoD while at the same time throwing petty insults towards Activision, then 3 days after release (and after the sales figures failed to quite reach CoD levels) they were going on about how good CoD is, how different their games are, how they wish CoD every success. It was a childish marketing campaign. Then there was that god-awful 99 problems trailer. *shudders*

[Candidate 88766]

InfoGuy101 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...



Here you go comunity, Take some.

Only one bottle, you seriously under estimate the negativity that can occur on this forum. 

I think you underestimate the power of jelly beans happy pills!

[DNRB]

Il Divo wrote...

BRND wrote...

I just realised something. People who see ME3 now but haven't played the 1 en 2 are only  discouraged to buy them. Why would they? If a developer I don't know would say "here, awesome game, it's part three, but one en two are not important anyway" hell no I would waste the time and money on it.

It would be the other way around. If Bioware told us that 1 and 2 are necessary for ME3, that could only discourage people from playing the third chapter, as it indicates that they won't understand what's going on without the predecessors. By attempting to market it as an independent entity, it emphasizes the "jump in and play" factor. There might be some fans who ignore the series altogether, but for anyone who thinks the series looks interesting, an independent installment is exactly what they want to see.

By the quote alone, I would say ME3 is looking to go the way of Nolan's The Dark Knight, which turned out to be a great film but under scrutiny you realize that it doesn't really build off any of the plot elements from Batman Begins. The only aspect newcomers would need to become familiar with would be the Rachel character to really understand what's happening on screen.

I know, but they shouldn't over-do it, which is exactly what they are doing now. There's a big difference between encouriging newcomers by saying it's a game where you'll feel comfortable with, and where the story when neccesary is explained through dialoge and cinematics, and saying 2/3rd of a trilogy is actually not all that important.

[Il Divo]

Agreed.

[TobyHasEyes]

hotdogbsg wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

hotdogbsg wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Damn, Chris almost lost his cool in this thread. Weird.

To be fair it can't be easy to see something you've worked on or are working on, being constantly criticised by a section of this community.

 Yeh nobody is criticising the game in this specific discussion with Chris, people are stating that this is a sloppy bitof marketing.. and that they shouldn't pretend it isn't so

I've seen people criticise all three games on this very thread.

Even if the main criticism on this thread is directed at marketing ( and I'm not a fan of what was said in the article) you have to admit there's more than a few negative posters in the forum who constantly seem to deride the upcoming game.

How often can someone listen to such comments before losing their cool.

 There are definately people who keep rejecting ME3 based on little or nothing, and I am sure there re some posts of that nature on this thread, but they are nnot the posts that Chris was responding too, nor was that the subject of dicussion hhe was tackling

[Veex]

Terror_K wrote...

Yeah, make up your minds, BioWare.

Is ME3 a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy that really builds on and wraps up what we did in the first two games because they truly mattered, or is ME3 the only thing that matters because "who cares about the previous two?!" because they were just an insignificant warm-up?

You can't have it both ways. It's bad enough every time Casey, Ray, Greg or anybody else says things like, "this is the best place to jump into Mass Effect" but this article just adds insult to injury. Especially when ME2 wasn't quite as satisfying in the import choices/consequences/variations as it could have been or was even claimed to be.

I see folks are still struggling with the analogy. I suppose if you don't follow sports or haven't been involved in a competitive atmosphere it can be difficult to grasp. To state the situation plainly, which is the more important event; stopping Saren and Sovereign, stopping the Collectors, or fighting the entire Reaper fleet in a galactic war?

This is what the superbowl analogy is meant to portray. Your previous accomplishments aren't insignificant because they've led to and prepared you for this moment, however, on that final stage the stakes are highest and what led you to this moment pales in comparison to what you're about to face. You can draw the parallel to music. You've played your local gigs and now are moving to a sold out nationally televised event. Your local gigs got you there but they're simply not of the same scale.

I can completely understand that people enjoy the previous Mass Effects and what those playthroughs and stories to matter but its merely a comparison of urgency and scale.