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[xSTONEYx187x]

Il Divo wrote...

111987 wrote...

No-one ever said your big choices don't carry over to the next game. Nor did they say they weren't important; check out Chris Priestly's posts near the beginning of the thread for clarification.

It's not "will they carry over?" that is questioned, but "how much?" I respect Chris, but the link he is defending results in a logical contradiction. If I'm to believe that the regular season, which represents ME1 and 2, does not matter, can I really believe that choices featured in those games will matter?

Consider the statement regarding how ME3 is the best place to start, made at various other points. Is it really typical for the best place to start be...at the end of a story? I think that can only be the case if the first two installments are superfluous, otherwise they by necessity would possess information which would make that claim false.

That's what worries me also. 

Sorry for posting this link again but I believe it to be relevant to the discussion. 

"What we're trying to do with Mass Effect 3 is that it's a new beginning for the series. It's probably a natural entry point." - David Silverman. 

Why say the final game of an truly brilliant triliogy is "a new beginning for the series"? 


http://www.computera...ut-selling-out/

[crimzontearz]

I've always advocated that ME3 should not cater to the lazy and the stupid....but when I say that I usually am told I mean or an elitisit or irrational

whatever.....then people need to deal with the serie being watered down and less than what it was promised to be without complaning

[CrazyCatDude]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is the new Dragon Age 2

So, like the previous game in the series, only with a much better story, more interesting companions, and better combat system?

Strangely, I got no problem with that.

[crimzontearz]

CrazyCatDude wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is the new Dragon Age 2

So, like the previous game in the series, only with a much better story, more interesting companions, and better combat system?

Strangely, I got no problem with that.

...you do realize that Inon Zur pretty much said flat out that DA2 was a rushjob so EA could cash out on the success of the first one right???

[Bluko]

111987 wrote...
 Isn't it just as likely that newcomers are saying to themselves "Gee I really didn't know what to think about Mass Effect before, but now that I know I don't HAVE to play the other games to enjoy it, I'm totally going to check it out!"

Nobody has ever made a game where you have to play the prior titles in order to launch the game that I know of. Whether the player finds a sequel enjoyable is really dependent them. Also It's my belief that anyone who does pick up and play ME3 fresh off the boat is going to be hopelessly lost or confused the first couple hours, regardless how much Bioware tries to help new players.

111987 wrote...
No-one ever said your big choices don't carry over to the next game. Nor did they say they weren't important; check out Chris Priestly's posts near the beginning of the thread for clarification.

True, but the article linked in the OP and various quotes from from Bioware/EA folks certainly don't help ease those concerns.

111987 wrote...
Really? I'd personally be a bit hesitant to jump straight into the third and final installment a stoy-driven series like Mass Effect. Knowing that I could do that would be a great relief.

And just because a Dev/Salesman says it is that it must be true? Hate to say it, but if you ask anyone who's played these games you'll likely get a different story. So who's lying? I can't even imagine Gamestop clerks saying I should skip ME1 and ME2 (especially if used copies are lying in the store...). So when Bioware says you should that's kind of scary.

Also this never stopped people from playing the Metal Gear Solid games in droves.

111987 wrote...
No, the priority is to cater to new fans. Most fans who bought ME1 and ME2 are going to buy ME3. If you gear the vast majority of your marketting towards them, your not going to get many new fans. Besides, they clearly are making changes to appeal to RPG/old fans and advertising those features quite extensively.

My point here was they shouldn't have to even "market the game" to new fans or old fans. Seriously it's just stupid to make that kind of discrepancy in the first place. Might as well go around saying "Hey dummies you didn't play ME1 or ME2 did you? Well you better play ME3 when it releases... or you'll die after 10 days!"

If you can't entice people with the gameplay nothing you say is going to make a damn difference to them. Well maybe if you were Billy Mays, but he's dead... so yeah.

[Bluko]

YouthCultureForever wrote...

Bluko wrote...

What we have here is a failure to communicate!

[/i]You wanna get new people to play ME3? Make trailers and ads showing off the cool game features. If that doesn't convince folks... nothing will.

But theres a whole demo to enjoy. Surely that's worth more than a thirty second teaser trailer. I believe it shows ME3 won't be DOA.

Well not everyone can play the demo, at least not yet.

Also I'm not saying there hasn't been enough trailers or anything like that. I'm just saying that ads are the most likely thing people who haven't played Mass Effect will see. With interviews and articles I'd focus on catering to hardcore fans, cause those are probably the only people looking them.

With trailers and stuff I'd just focus on making the game look as awesome as possible to impress both new and old fans alike. I probably wouldn't have touched Mass Effect at all had I never seen some some of the early trailers. And honestly I had no clue there was going to be an ME2 until I saw E3 trailers for it in 2009.

Point is the newcomers probably aren't religously following media on this game. So it's kind of preaching to the choir saying ME3 is the best place to start.

[Chuvvy]

"Who cares what happened in the regular season? Now's the one that matters."



Doesn't really inspire confidence.

Modifié par Slidell505, 03 novembre 2011 - 02:41 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

111987 wrote...

No-one ever said your big choices don't carry over to the next game. Nor did they say they weren't important; check out Chris Priestly's posts near the beginning of the thread for clarification.

It's not "will they carry over?" that is questioned, but "how much?" I respect Chris, but the link he is defending results in a logical contradiction. If I'm to believe that the regular season, which represents ME1 and 2, does not matter, can I really believe that choices featured in those games will matter?

Consider the statement regarding how ME3 is the best place to start, made at various other points. Is it really typical for the best place to start be...at the end of a story? I think that can only be the case if the first two installments are superfluous, otherwise they by necessity would possess information which would make that claim false.

"What we're trying to do with Mass Effect 3 is that it's a new beginning for the series. It's probably a natural entry point." - David Silverman. 

I want to sig it.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 03 novembre 2011 - 02:48 .

[Rivercurse]

Chris Priestly wrote...
Yet, you all seem to think you need to snark at such articles that are not written to your lofty parameters.

Who said the internet is full of whiny people? Oh that's right, me.

Aren't you supposed to be the community co ordinator? 

[YouthCultureForever]

Bluko wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

Bluko wrote...

What we have here is a failure to communicate!

[/i]You wanna get new people to play ME3? Make trailers and ads showing off the cool game features. If that doesn't convince folks... nothing will.

But theres a whole demo to enjoy. Surely that's worth more than a thirty second teaser trailer. I believe it shows ME3 won't be DOA.

Well not everyone can play the demo, at least not yet.

Also I'm not saying there hasn't been enough trailers or anything like that. I'm just saying that ads are the most likely thing people who haven't played Mass Effect will see. With interviews and articles I'd focus on catering to hardcore fans, cause those are probably the only people looking them.

With trailers and stuff I'd just focus on making the game look as awesome as possible to impress both new and old fans alike. I probably wouldn't have touched Mass Effect at all had I never seen some some of the early trailers. And honestly I had no clue there was going to be an ME2 until I saw E3 trailers for it in 2009.

Point is the newcomers probably aren't religously following media on this game. So it's kind of preaching to the choir saying ME3 is the best place to start.

But this is one tiny article by IGN everyone is fixating on. The GameInformer Cover issue wasn't enough? The release of ME: Conviction and ME: Incursion weren't enough? Will the upcoming comics be enough? Will ME: Deception be enough? Will a Collector's edition be enough? There's Bioware Pulse TV, the devs answer questions on their twitter accounts. There is so much media already catered to the hardcore ME player that I can't understand why its such a big deal when Bioware dials up promotion on the casual fan. The last thing they do is overlook us.

You see what I'm saying?

[spirosz]

YouthCultureForever wrote...

I think you all need to catch a people's elbow right in the eye.

I-I-I-IT DOEST MATTER

[YouthCultureForever]

spiros9110 wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

I think you all need to catch a people's elbow right in the eye.

I-I-I-IT DOEST MATTER

ME

*Puts sunglasses back on, The People's Sunglasses*   

Modifié par YouthCultureForever, 03 novembre 2011 - 04:22 .

[Sgt Stryker]

crimzontearz wrote...

I've always advocated that ME3 should not cater to the lazy and the stupid....but when I say that I usually am told I mean or an elitisit or irrational

People think that sounds elitist? That's nothing compared to me. I firmly believe life should not cater to the lazy and stupid.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I've always advocated that ME3 should not cater to the lazy and the stupid....but when I say that I usually am told I mean or an elitisit or irrational

People think that sounds elitist? That's nothing compared to me. I firmly believe life should not cater to the lazy and stupid.

That makes three of us.

[GMagnum]

[111987]

jreezy wrote...

111987 wrote...

Bluko wrote...

"Okay so these games are about some Cmdr. Shepard Dude trying to save the galaxy? But apparently the previous two games aren't really important? Well gee if the first two games are that bad... maybe this third one is bad too? Ya know I think I'll just steer clear of this whole Mass Effect stuff and stick to games I already like."

Yeah, um, I really doubt [i]anyone would follow that line of thought. It makes no logical sense whatsoever.

There's nothing illogical about it honestly. Maybe that's not something you want to hear so you automatically think it's illogical?

Um, no. You wouldn't jump from 'the previous two games are unimportant to the third' to "those game are bad!'

[Strephon Gentry]

The self righteousness in this thread is most entertaining.

[InfoGuy101]

This thread really doesn't matter in the long run but people need to complain for whatever reason so rather let them get it out of there system and nit pick ever statement and new feature/new character/old characters clothing to there hearts content. As it seems to bring them some kind of joy to do it as they do it with a unbridled passion of sorts.

Not that there's anything wrong in complaining as sometimes it is needed to improve things but things can go a bit over board on this forum which is a microcosm of the Mass Effect fan base lol.

[Terror_K]

To be honest, I always thought that BioWare missed and squandered an opportunity to make Mass Effect something really special and unique by going with this whole "each part stands on its own" BS rather than actually making a proper trilogy that was really dependent on the other titles. In many ways ME2 felt very removed from the original game, and I'd hate to see ME3 having the same issues.

[Lotion Soronarr]

CrazyCatDude wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is the new Dragon Age 2

So, like the previous game in the series, only worse in almost every concievable way.

I got a problem with that.

-fixored.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 03 novembre 2011 - 09:44 .

[snfonseka]

The article is very insightful.

[Veex]

Il Divo wrote...

Consider the statement regarding how ME3 is the best place to start, made at various other points. Is it really typical for the best place to start be...at the end of a story? I think that can only be the case if the first two installments are superfluous, otherwise they by necessity would possess information which would make that claim false.

They aren't just a story Divo. They're stories in the gaming medium and the narrative will have varying levels of significance for each player. Stating that Mass Effect 3 is the best jumping off point in the series isn't equivalent to saying it would be best to watch Return of the Jedi first in the trilogy, or read the last book in a series first.

There are gameplay considerations that need to be taken into account in conjunction with the narrative. With respect, I can completely empathize with BioWare in that their latest installment is likely the most refined in terms of gameplay mechanics. You want an audience to experience your latest iteration. To my knowledge they've never stated that the best place to start the Mass Effect story is ME3. I don't think its fair to look at those aspects without context.