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[Someone With Mass]

jreezy wrote...

King Minos wrote...

I predicted when multiplayer was confirmed that multiplayer would be advertised the most, I got Battlefield 3 with a piece of paper advertising the demo, singleplayer was not even mentioned.

So? Since when do people get early access to a single player demo?

Does stage demos count?

[Terror_K]

The thing that make my mind boggle overall is that it's like BioWare and EA no longer want to even make money from the previous titles still!

I mean, seriously... do you not WANT players who haven't jumped in yet to think, "Hmmm... this Mass Effect 3 is looking cool. Maybe I should play the others first?"

Sure, you want people to buy the game, but it's still months away, and ME1 and ME2 are pretty damn cheap these days. Shop around or hit Steam at the right time and you can get them for less than the price of a meal of Burger King easily.

If I were marketing the third game, I'd be making it damn clear that even if the previous two weren't completely necessary, playing the previous two really helps a lot and provides a more personal experience.

Then again, considering the marketing lately seems aimed squarely at the ADD-riddled shooter fanboy set who will only possibly see ME3 as another game between CoD's, it's not entirely surprising. These people they seem to want to reel in lately are the type of players who won't really even care about the story, characters, etc. and will probably forget Mass Effect entirely come CoD: Modern Black Ops at War 5 or Halo 343 Industries Retcon 4. Why should they care about ME1 and ME2 if they don't really care about ME3 beyond it being another bunch of things to shoot for a few hours.

[Someone With Mass]

It's not like they're telling anyone that they can't play the other games. Nor do those games cease to exist the second they aren't mentioned in articles that are promoting another game.

It's like watching Return of the King. It's a good movie on its own, but if you feel like you want to know more, then you have to watch the other movies.

[AdmiralCheez]

Terror_K wrote...

The thing that make my mind boggle overall is that it's like BioWare and EA no longer want to even make money from the previous titles still!

No sh*t.

There is still a huuuuge market for older games.  Don't downplay your masterpieces of yesteryear.

EVER.

[Terror_K]

Someone With Mass wrote...

It's like watching Return of the King. It's a good movie on its own, but if you feel like you want to know more, then you have to watch the other movies.

To be honest, I'd find Return of the King near-on meaningless without the prior two. Same goes for Return of the Jedi, because these are proper trilogies.

And that's kind of the issue I (and others) have: that BioWare made us believe this was a proper trilogy akin to Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings, when what we've really got is a stand-alone game with a stand-alone sequel and a third stand-alone sequel on the way, more akin to the Aliens, Die Hard or Indiana Jones films (of which there were only three in each case. (Shut up, there were!))

This was marketed as a trilogy where choices imported across all three games and mattered. What we've got so far is three seperate stories set around the same protagonist where the choices import and merely colour the experience a little more. Sure, the walls look a little different with each import playthrough, but none of them appear to be load-bearing in any real way so far. Even if they initially seemed they would be holding more up than they turned out to be.

And now we're told that the previous entries are largely superfluous. Nice. <_<

[GMagnum]

yo one time i sat down thru da lord of da rings trilogy @ like 8 AM and den when it was over n i went outside da sun went down WTF LONG AZZ MOVIES

[crimzontearz]

I honestly wonder what Silverman or Huston would say if they actually entered a discussion about these facets of the game and marketing and were faced by these questions. Of course....a real discussing....not a BS Q&A.

not for anything but I am REALLY curious about the modus pensandi behind this whole ordeal

[Sgt Stryker]

Terror_K wrote...

And that's kind of the issue I (and others) have: that BioWare made us believe this was a proper trilogy akin to Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings, when what we've really got is a stand-alone game with a stand-alone sequel and a third stand-alone sequel on the way, more akin to the Aliens, Die Hard or Indiana Jones films (of which there were only three in each case. (Shut up, there were!))

I thought Alien only had one sequel?

[Slayer299]

no.
Alien - 1979
Aliens - 1986
Alien 3 - 1992
Alien Resurrection -1997

and then
AvP - 2004
AvP:R - 2007

[GMagnum]

Slayer299 wrote...

no.
Alien - 1979
Aliens - 1986
Alien 3 - 1992
Alien Resurrection -1997

and then
AvP - 2004
AvP:R - 2007

wow bro she just stomped yo azz out w/ dat post
/gg 

Modifié par GMagnum, 04 novembre 2011 - 02:41 .

[Slayer299]

No, I was answering him is all, no stomping involved.

[GMagnum]

Slayer299 wrote...

No, I was answering him is all, no stomping involved.

dam hella owned him n showed him mercy dats a good trait

[Terror_K]

I see you're unfamiliar with the concept of, "these sequels sucked, so I consider them to not exist."

Y'know... like how there's only one Dragon Age game

Modifié par Terror_K, 04 novembre 2011 - 02:44 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Funny thing is, there was never any need to promote ME3 to me. After I was through with DA2 I finally got to play the first two ME games, and I really love them both. So despite my dissapointment with preordering DA2 (first game I ever preorderd) there was never any doubt for me that I needed to have ME3, so I preorderd the N7 edition as soon as it was possible.

Then came minor things like the Ashley outfit discussion (sue me, I love the character and I want to see them do her justice), major things the whole multiplayer affair and how the announcment was handled, and things like exactly the irritating PR speak we are talking about here. We now have a singleplayer affecting MP feature, which is heavily promoted (for a good part by defending it's inclusion against the wishes of lots of fans); and all that "ME3 is the perfect place to start your ME experience" talk just doesn't sound good at all for fans of the first two games. All this (and the less than satisfying BioWare experience that was DA2) worries me. And don't even get me started on the possibility of Origin.

ME3 should be a perfect finale to a great trilogy, with an absolute focus on story and characters (okay, gameplay can be improved too, but it's not as important), with the player's previous decisions being a very important factor. Yes, it's all out galactic war, but it's also supposed to be the epic conclusion of your own Shepard's journey.

Anyways, I'm tired and confused. What I wanted to say was this: ME3 was a definite buy for me (as well as some of my friends). Right now BioWare actually needs to start trying to sell it to me. I need some PR that isn't just addressing the precious potential new fans, I need PR that is addressing and reassuring me.

[Sgt Stryker]

GMagnum wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

no.
Alien - 1979
Aliens - 1986
Alien 3 - 1992
Alien Resurrection -1997

and then
AvP - 2004
AvP:R - 2007

wow bro she just stomped yo azz out w/ dat post
/gg 

NAH BRO, NAH

Also, there are only 2 Terminator movies, plus a TV show.

[cindercatz]

Alien Resurrection was an excellent Alien movie, though. Terminator's personal.. nm on that one.

I just wanted to say I get TerrorK's point. ME3 better not actually turn the first two games into color fluff. I don't think it will, though. They do have to make the game stand on its own in the marketplace, no getting around it. There's too much money involved. Still, the flavor we get ought to heavily influence our games, not just amount to cameos and stray alternate dialogue. It should really matter to our experience.

[GMagnum]

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[Ofcoursenot]

GMagnum wrote...

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This is bad, even for the Magnum. Very much not cool, bro guy.

[Ofcoursenot]

cindercatz wrote...

Alien Resurrection was an excellent Alien movie, though.

You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking.

[cindercatz]

Nope not joking. Ok, you've got Alien and Alien 3, kind of fall into the same thriller/sci-fi mode. Then you've got Aliens and Alien Resurrection, very much of the action/sci-fi mold. Alien Resurrection is a top five or so action/sci-fi flick, certainly top 10. The plot is consistent across all four movies. Ripley's story even carries through all four. (Granted, she's not exactly the same Ripley.. I won't spoil it for anybody that hasn't seen it or Alien 3. The twists make sense.) The characters are interesting in their roles, with their own set of intrigues. It's got great pace, strong acting for the parts, great effects, the aliens themselves are in full effect.. Yeah, not seeing the problem. Great Alien flick. I hope they'll someday continue on with a proper Alien 5.

edit: btw, what's that dude smokin'?

Modifié par cindercatz, 04 novembre 2011 - 06:01 .

[King Minos]

Jreezy - pretty much any game shown at videogame conventions, If you go you get early access to a level that could potentially become a demo. Aka Dragon Age 2 Varrics exaggeration level. Didn't think of that did you?