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[Candidate 88766]

C9316 wrote...

I really wish bioware would stop marketing to people who haven't been aware enough to know about ME after it has been out for so long.

Why? They're the people ME3 should be marketed to. The vast majority of the established fanbase will buy ME3 if only to complete a story they've invested miney and plenty of time in, so we don't really need to be marketed to. The entire purpose of marketing is widen the awareness of a brand or product, so the marketing should be focused towards people who know very little about ME as it helps them make their minds up as to whether they should buy ME3.

Why would you need to market it to people who already know it exists and who have quite probably made their minds up about purchasing it.

[Candidate 88766]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

111987 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

I really wish bioware would stop marketing to people who haven't been aware enough to know about ME after it has been out for so long.

Yeah...because BioWare shouldn't try to bring in new fans...

Not at the cost of the old ones. But I doubt they have forgetten about us even a little.

Its not at the cost of old fans though...

[Zkyire]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
Invalidating my accomplishments in the first two games does not strike me as the best way to market Mass Effect 3. You want to avoid mentioning the first two games? By all means, but having a Bioware manager essentially tell us "Who cares about Mass Effect 1 and 2?" ruins any efforts they have made to market this as the conclusion of a trilogy.

Ok, I'm going to call you on this.

Please say where Aaryn says this, I have read the article and reread the article. NO WHERE does he say your accomplishements are invalid or that no one cares about ME1 or ME2.

Explain.

BioWare Edmonton general manager Aaryn Flynn
"You could say the previous games were just a preamble to this moment.
Everything has been building to this. It's like the Superbowl. Who cares
what happened in the regular season? Now's the one that matters."

ME1 and ME2 choices don't matter? Probably not.

Poor choice of words on his part? Probably.

Modifié par IEatWhatIPoo, 01 novembre 2011 - 10:06 .

[Arcadian Legend]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

111987 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

I really wish bioware would stop marketing to people who haven't been aware enough to know about ME after it has been out for so long.

Yeah...because BioWare shouldn't try to bring in new fans...

Not at the cost of the old ones. But I doubt they have forgetten about us even a little.

Heh, they couldn't forget about us even if they tried. XD

[SilentNukee]

Lol... Erm, what?

[onelifecrisis]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
Invalidating my accomplishments in the first two games does not strike me as the best way to market Mass Effect 3. You want to avoid mentioning the first two games? By all means, but having a Bioware manager essentially tell us "Who cares about Mass Effect 1 and 2?" ruins any efforts they have made to market this as the conclusion of a trilogy.

Ok, I'm going to call you on this.

Please say where Aaryn says this, I have read the article and reread the article. NO WHERE does he say your accomplishements are invalid or that no one cares about ME1 or ME2.

Explain.

Well let's give some actual quotes then:

"[ME3] will stand entirely on its own."
"Who cares what happened in [ME1&2]? "

[bleetman]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is the new Dragon Age 2

Great! Looking forward to it.

Modifié par bleetman, 01 novembre 2011 - 10:09 .

[Chris Priestly]

Which doesn't say it invalidates or that ME1 & 2 aren't important. Just that in the face of ME3, they seem less important.

Perhaps you don't follow football so do not get the analogy. It doesn't matter whether during the regular season you went 15-1 or 8-8. It doesn't matter whether your quarterback got hurt in week 6 or not. It doesn't matter if you traded your kicker in week 12. It absolutely did matter in week 6 or week 12 or whatever, but NOW is the superbowl. You had to work like hell through opponents and obstacles to get here, but THE TIME IS NOW and what came before was only the path to get you here.

That is Mass Effect 3.

[ME_Fan]

Wow this thread is HOT.

[Ghost Lightning]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is the new Dragon Age 2

Only y'know, good.

Modifié par Ghost Lightning, 01 novembre 2011 - 10:10 .

[Arcadian Legend]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
Invalidating my accomplishments in the first two games does not strike me as the best way to market Mass Effect 3. You want to avoid mentioning the first two games? By all means, but having a Bioware manager essentially tell us "Who cares about Mass Effect 1 and 2?" ruins any efforts they have made to market this as the conclusion of a trilogy.

Ok, I'm going to call you on this.

Please say where Aaryn says this, I have read the article and reread the article. NO WHERE does he say your accomplishements are invalid or that no one cares about ME1 or ME2.

Explain.

Well let's give some actual quotes then:

"[ME3] will stand entirely on its own."
"Who cares what happened in [ME1&2]? "

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Stop assuming bad things in every official statement. 

[onelifecrisis]

ME_Fan wrote...

Wow this thread is HOT.

Yeah. Telling your fans that the last two games don't count will tend to have that effect.

[Chris Priestly]

onelifecrisis wrote...
Well let's give some actual quotes then:

"[ME3] will stand entirely on its own."

And it does. You can play ME3 without having played ME1 or ME2. The same as you could play ME2 without playing ME1. So?

"Who cares what happened in [ME1&2]? "

If you are going to try deliberately to take things out of the context they were meant, there is no point trying to talk to you.

[onelifecrisis]

DarkRiku7 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
Invalidating my accomplishments in the first two games does not strike me as the best way to market Mass Effect 3. You want to avoid mentioning the first two games? By all means, but having a Bioware manager essentially tell us "Who cares about Mass Effect 1 and 2?" ruins any efforts they have made to market this as the conclusion of a trilogy.

Ok, I'm going to call you on this.

Please say where Aaryn says this, I have read the article and reread the article. NO WHERE does he say your accomplishements are invalid or that no one cares about ME1 or ME2.

Explain.

Well let's give some actual quotes then:

"[ME3] will stand entirely on its own."
"Who cares what happened in [ME1&2]? "

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Stop assuming bad things in every official statement. 

I'm not assuming anything. I'm quoting Aaryn.

[The Hierophant]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Which doesn't say it invalidates or that ME1 & 2 aren't important. Just that in the face of ME3, they seem less important.

Perhaps you don't follow football so do not get the analogy. It doesn't matter whether during the regular season you went 15-1 or 8-8. It doesn't matter whether your quarterback got hurt in week 6 or not. It doesn't matter if you traded your kicker in week 12. It absolutely did matter in week 6 or week 12 or whatever, but NOW is the superbowl. You had to work like hell through opponents and obstacles to get here, but THE TIME IS NOW and what came before was only the path to get you here.

That is Mass Effect 3.

You know they're going to still misconstrue your analogy and rage.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 01 novembre 2011 - 10:12 .

[CBKeffer]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Which doesn't say it invalidates or that ME1 & 2 aren't important. Just that in the face of ME3, they seem less important.

Perhaps you don't follow football so do not get the analogy. It doesn't matter whether during the regular season you went 15-1 or 8-8. It doesn't matter whether your quarterback got hurt in week 6 or not. It doesn't matter if you traded your kicker in week 12. It absolutely did matter in week 6 or week 12 or whatever, but NOW is the superbowl. You had to work like hell through opponents and obstacles to get here, but THE TIME IS NOW and what came before was only the path to get you here.

That is Mass Effect 3.

This is what I've always taken away from the marketing statements. It blows my mind how others seem ready to crucify a product before it even comes out, and it blows my mind even more to think that these people call themselves fans. I'm not saying that problems with games shouldn't be pointed out, constructive criticism is the only way that anyone gets better, but to criticise something before it's even finished, let alone made it to shelves is insane.

[DarkDragon777]

It was all great until they said ME1 and ME2 were "a preamble" to ME3. Oh wait, that was the entire article.

[ME_Fan]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is the new Dragon Age 2

Only y'know, good.

LOLOL

Modifié par ME_Fan, 01 novembre 2011 - 10:17 .

[111987]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

111987 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

I really wish bioware would stop marketing to people who haven't been aware enough to know about ME after it has been out for so long.

Yeah...because BioWare shouldn't try to bring in new fans...

Not at the cost of the old ones. But I doubt they have forgetten about us even a little.

Its not at the cost of old fans though...

Name a game sequel from BioWare recently that hasn't been at the cost of old fans.

Mass Effect 2.

As an old fan of ME1, I felt ME2 was a superior game in almost all regards.

[onelifecrisis]

Chris Priestly wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...
Well let's give some actual quotes then:

"[ME3] will stand entirely on its own."

And it does. You can play ME3 without having played ME1 or ME2. The same as you could play ME2 without playing ME1. So?

"Who cares what happened in [ME1&2]? "

If you are going to try deliberately to take things out of the context they were meant, there is no point trying to talk to you.

I'm not "trying" to do anything. The guy said what he said, I just quoted him. I'm not putting words in his mouth, nor am I taking any out, unless you think that he meant something other than ME1&2 when he referred to "the regular season"? In which case please tell me what he meant.

[Biotic Sage]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Which doesn't say it invalidates or that ME1 & 2 aren't important. Just that in the face of ME3, they seem less important.

Perhaps you don't follow football so do not get the analogy. It doesn't matter whether during the regular season you went 15-1 or 8-8. It doesn't matter whether your quarterback got hurt in week 6 or not. It doesn't matter if you traded your kicker in week 12. It absolutely did matter in week 6 or week 12 or whatever, but NOW is the superbowl. You had to work like hell through opponents and obstacles to get here, but THE TIME IS NOW and what came before was only the path to get you here.

That is Mass Effect 3.

Priestly, dude.  I'm a huge Bioware supporter and a huge Mass Effect fan.  I don't believe for a second that ME3 is going to invalidate decisions from the first two games, and I certainly agree that there are plenty of whiners on the internet whose whining is unsubstantiated.  But C'MON MAN.  Admit that the person who is responsible for that quote dropped the ball on that one (no pun intended).  I get the INTENT of the statement, but saying "Who cares?" is pretty awful.  I know you feel the same way, as you are at this very moment doing damage control and muttering to yourself, "Dammit, people, why do you need to make my job harder when it is already nearly impossible even without stupid statements like that!"

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 01 novembre 2011 - 10:16 .

[Candidate 88766]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

111987 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

I really wish bioware would stop marketing to people who haven't been aware enough to know about ME after it has been out for so long.

Yeah...because BioWare shouldn't try to bring in new fans...

Not at the cost of the old ones. But I doubt they have forgetten about us even a little.

Its not at the cost of old fans though...

Name a game sequel from BioWare recently that hasn't been at the cost of old fans.

Mass Effect 2.

People were fans of ME1 because of the story, the characters, the setting and the choices. ME2 kept all of those, and improved on characters and story interaction (despite the story being not quite as good as ME1).

I consider myself a massive ME fan - I've been follwing this game since hearing about it in 2005 - and ME2 was better in every possible regard apart from the main story arc not being quite as good.

The only things that changed between ME1 and ME2 were that the poorly implemented inventory was removed, the large number of almost identical guns was wittled down to a small selection of genuinely differentiated guns. The only thing I miss was armour/weapon mods, and we're getting those back. 

Any true ME fans knows that the characters, choices, interaction and the story are what make these games great, and ME2 kept all of those.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 01 novembre 2011 - 10:19 .

[crimzontearz]

were they interviewing David Silverman again? that sounded a lot like something he would say