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[chris2365]

Ricinator wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

Ok guys. Let's just stay on topic. I'm pretty sure Bioware has a great game in store for both hardcore and casual fans of the Mass Effect series

i seriously doubt that if its more ME2 than ME1

We've all seen the E3 vids. More customisation of weapons and powers. I understand it isn't ME1 style, but at least they gave us back some custimisation. Besides, Bioware Pulse will soon air an episode JUST on RPG mechanics.

[Welsh Inferno]

Sigh... some people... Whenever someone says something YOU deem as good about the game, you moan, say they are just sucking up or go with the pessimistic 'believe it when I see it' attitude. When someone says something that sounds negative to you, you believe every word like it is gospel, go into a rage and complain that BioWare are sell outs. Give it a ******* rest would you.

[SandTrout]

@Candidate,

Your analogy has a problem in that in ME1 and 2, Shepard is already specifically working against the Reapers, albeit by working against the Reapers' agents. This makes ME1 and 2 more akin to Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers than to the Hobbit.

A movie, book, or game about the First Contact War, or the war with the Batarians in the Skyllian Verge would be correlated to the Hobbit. The main antagonist (Big Bad) in those conflicts is as unrelated to the Reapers as the Dragon in the Hobbit was to Sauron.

Modifié par SandTrout, 01 novembre 2011 - 10:56 .

[Ricinator]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

@Candidate
Again, What type of person only watches the Last movie of the series?

Would you watch Harry Potter starting with the last movie?

Movies=/=Video Games.

Also a good point. Because of the higher cost of games, they are almost always independant stories even when part of a larger story arc. They have to be - no-one wants to pay £50 only to find out they need to spend another £50 to find out the end. Thats why ME1 and ME2 were self-contained while at the same time providing plenty of story hooks into each other, and into ME3.

ok you have obviously not played ME1... because they had set it up not to be self contained from the start then ME2 arrives and shets all over that open ended game with not showing the council, not giving me an option to return to alliance, not giving nearly the same amount of dialogue as ME1.

[TheGreenAlloy]

Ricinator wrote...

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...

The older games were singleplayer games with a focus on singleplayer. Back when Mass Effect was good, before multiplayer, energy swords, railgun sequences and plastic FemShep.

Mass Effect 3 is the new Dragon Age 2

Back when Mass Effect was good?

Alrigthy, hipster.

he is right, it has been going down hill since EA took control

If you say so.

[aridor1570]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Sigh... some people... Whenever someone says something YOU deem as good about the game, you moan, say they are just sucking up or go with the pessimistic 'believe it when I see it' attitude. When someone says something that sounds negative to you, you believe every word like it is gospel, go into a rage and complain that BioWare are sell outs. Give it a ******* rest would you.

That's what I wrote a few posts ago, but you said it better.

[111987]

Ricinator wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

@Candidate
Again, What type of person only watches the Last movie of the series?

Would you watch Harry Potter starting with the last movie?

Movies=/=Video Games.

Also a good point. Because of the higher cost of games, they are almost always independant stories even when part of a larger story arc. They have to be - no-one wants to pay £50 only to find out they need to spend another £50 to find out the end. Thats why ME1 and ME2 were self-contained while at the same time providing plenty of story hooks into each other, and into ME3.

ok you have obviously not played ME1... because they had set it up not to be self contained from the start then ME2 arrives and shets all over that open ended game with not showing the council, not giving me an option to return to alliance, not giving nearly the same amount of dialogue as ME1.

The game was already on two discs. You can't give players every choice/option out there, the game would just become too large and difficult to program. Also, ME2 had more dialogue than ME1, and I believe by quite a bit.

[TheGreenAlloy]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Sigh... some people... Whenever someone says something YOU deem as good about the game, you moan, say they are just sucking up or go with the pessimistic 'believe it when I see it' attitude. When someone says something that sounds negative to you, you believe every word like it is gospel, go into a rage and complain that BioWare are sell outs. Give it a ******* rest would you.

I was just about to post this.

[Ricinator]

@111987
sure i understand you can't give every option. But you can't even tell your LI on horizon that you ARN"T WORKING WITH CERBERUS.

[Thompson family]

Ricinator wrote...

@Candidate
Again, What type of person only watches the Last movie of the series?

Would you watch Harry Potter starting with the last movie?

Nice analogy, but allow me to point out that ME2 sold approximately 500,000 more copies than ME1.

Also consider that ME3 sold more DLC and related merchandise too, or at least I assume so because BW offered a heck of a lot more of it.

ME is not a book. It is not a movie. It is a videogame and, apparently, the rules are not the same.

Modifié par Thompson family, 01 novembre 2011 - 11:01 .

[Candidate 88766]

Ricinator wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...

RolandX9 wrote...

If it weren't for ME1, I wouldn't even be looking at ME3.

This is the only thing I wish BioWare keeps in mind.

Really? You really saying you wouldn'd be interested in a game about a GALACTIC WAR!? To me thats just about the best game premise I've ever heard. 

If it was a movie, sure....but it's a video game...one I have to actually play.

Surely interacting in a galactic war is better than merely watching it? It would make a great film, sure, but in a game you actions dictate whether you win or not and to me thats much more exciting. I can't be the only one who gets all giddy at the thought of this premise.

i love that is time for the galactic war, but Bioware has abandoned almost everything that made ME1 great so its not hard for them to make it worse.

The characters, the story, the setting, the choices, the interaction - they were the only good bits of ME1 and they were all in ME2. The only thing ME2 lacked that was good in ME1 was the exploration. I don't what good things you think ME2 dropped seeing as all the stuff that seperated ME1 from other games and made it good were in ME2 too.

[111987]

Ricinator wrote...

@111987
sure i understand you can't give every option. But you can't even tell your LI on horizon that you ARN"T WORKING WITH CERBERUS.

But Shepard is working with Cerberus...

[aridor1570]

Ricinator wrote...

@111987
sure i understand you can't give every option. But you can't even tell your LI on horizon that you ARN"T WORKING WITH CERBERUS.

Actualy, you are, what you're trying to avoid is to tell them you're working FOR Cerberus.

Modifié par aridor1570, 01 novembre 2011 - 11:02 .

[Sylvianus]

lol, So it's a line from an article that manages to darken the mood of the bsn.

I asked in my topic, if the words of Bioware would be enough for you, 90% told me yes. I'm good.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 01 novembre 2011 - 11:03 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Ricinator wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

@Candidate
Again, What type of person only watches the Last movie of the series?

Would you watch Harry Potter starting with the last movie?

Movies=/=Video Games.

Also a good point. Because of the higher cost of games, they are almost always independant stories even when part of a larger story arc. They have to be - no-one wants to pay £50 only to find out they need to spend another £50 to find out the end. Thats why ME1 and ME2 were self-contained while at the same time providing plenty of story hooks into each other, and into ME3.

ok you have obviously not played ME1... because they had set it up not to be self contained from the start then ME2 arrives and shets all over that open ended game with not showing the council, not giving me an option to return to alliance, not giving nearly the same amount of dialogue as ME1.

1. ME1 was a self-contained story. It was about stopping Saren and uncovering the secret of the Reapers, and both goals were accomplished by the end.
2. The Council? Funny, I can remember the conversation with Moe, Larry, and Curly as clear as day.
3. There are plenty of valid reasons why the Alliance would not have you back. Take your pick.
4. Your last point is a blatant fabrication. ME2 has much more dialogue in total than ME1.

[Thompson family]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Sigh... some people... Whenever someone says something YOU deem as good about the game, you moan, say they are just sucking up or go with the pessimistic 'believe it when I see it' attitude. When someone says something that sounds negative to you, you believe every word like it is gospel, go into a rage and complain that BioWare are sell outs. Give it a ******* rest would you.

Amen, WI.

[Zanallen]

I don't know what everyone is whining about. The analogy is an apt one. No one is going to care if Shep let the Rachni queen go if he ultimately fails to stop the Reapers. Just like no one will care about that sweet pass in game seven if you fumble at the Super Bowl. It is the big games that ultimately matter, not preseason.

[Candidate 88766]

SandTrout wrote...

@Candidate,

Your analogy has a problem in that in ME1 and 2, Shepard is already specifically working against the Reapers, albeit by working against the Reapers' agents. This makes ME1 and 2 more akin to Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers than to the Hobbit.

A movie, book, or game about the First Contact War, or the war with the Batarians in the Skyllian Verge would be correlated to the Hobbit. The main antagonist (Big Bad) in those conflicts is as unrelated to the Reapers as the Dragon in the Hobbit was to Sauron.

Its not a perfect analogy I admit, but its good enough - the Hobbit builds up almost all the necessary parts for the war of the ring, but is also a self-contained story. The war itself is contained entirely in LotR, and enjoying the story doesn't require reading the Hobbit. In that regard I think the analogy still fits. Stuff like the First Contact War is more like the Silmarillion - it introduces back story, and some characters are present there, but it doesn't actually have any real hooks leading into the main story.

[AdmiralCheez]

Ricinator wrote...

@111987
sure i understand you can't give every option. But you can't even tell your LI on horizon that you ARN"T WORKING WITH CERBERUS.

Wait.

All of your "ME2 SUCKS" rage... stems from Ash ditching you?

[mineralica]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Again, you kinda missed the point. Think of Mass Effect like the entire works about Middle Earth. ME1 and ME2 act a bit like the Hobbit - Sauron, like the Reapers, is generally a distant threat apart form a few instances. The story introduces many of the characters and key elements such as the Ring. ME3 is a bit like the entire Lord of the Rings. LotR is about the quest to destroy the Ring, and the war with Sauron. Likewise, ME3 is about a galactic war with the Reapers. While the Hobbit introduces the Ring and many characters, you don't need to read it to enjoy LotR. Likewise, despite characters and the universe being ste up in the previous installments, you don't need to play ME1 and ME2 to enjoy ME3's story of the galactic war.

With the example of Harry Potter, books 1-3 merely set up stuff. Book 4 onwards is about the battle against Voldemort, and in this regard ME3 is like books 4-7. It helps if you've read books 1-3, but they were all independant stories that aren't actually necessary to understand the story of the battle with Voldemort.

Hobbit had both different protagonist and antagonist from LotR. And different cast in addition to that. Comparing Hobbit to ME series it will be Mass Effect Galaxy.

First book of LotR will be ME1 - main enemy (Sovereign and, later, Reapers) shown rarely, main action concentrated on their lieutenants - Nazguls/Saren. Half of time heroes try to understand what exactly is going on, team builds fast, main players are established.

Two Towers will be ME2 - Saruman/Collectors which are related in strange way to main plot, but there they are.

And Return of the King wil be ME3, then - finishing loose ends and being largely about epic and action.

[Candidate 88766]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...

RolandX9 wrote...

If it weren't for ME1, I wouldn't even be looking at ME3.

This is the only thing I wish BioWare keeps in mind.

Really? You really saying you wouldn'd be interested in a game about a GALACTIC WAR!? To me thats just about the best game premise I've ever heard. 

If it was a movie, sure....but it's a video game...one I have to actually play.

Surely interacting in a galactic war is better than merely watching it? It would make a great film, sure, but in a game you actions dictate whether you win or not and to me thats much more exciting. I can't be the only one who gets all giddy at the thought of this premise.

I am all giddy about it! That's why it's so important to me that BioWare stays true to it! 

From what I've seen they're staying true to it. The stuff that made ME1 and ME2 great was the characters and the interaction and the story, and it looks like that stuff will be even better in ME3.

[Ricinator]

@sgt stryker
might have had more 1 liners, but ME1 had much richer conversations and i would consider alot more Dialogue

[onelifecrisis]

This thread is going in a dozen directions at once. Then again, there wasn't much actual article to discuss.

Anyway, my guess is that they're repeated ME2 i.e. make a self-contained game, then at the end of development if they have some spare time and money they spend it throwing in cheap and cheerful references to the previous games (emails, fetch quests from characters you previously met, glitchy crap like the council scene with its spazzy animations and graphical corruption, and the occasional extra line of dialogue thrown in at random places).

Edited to fix typos.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 01 novembre 2011 - 11:09 .