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[Ofcoursenot]

 Ah, yes, Character Development.
Most of the time, it's a thing of beauty that many games fail to even bother with.
In the case of ME2, it was a force of unbelievable cruelty, at least to me.

Look at it. Wrex, our Krogan buddy who fought at our side and seemed to enjoy life as a merc, turned into a big fuzzy huggable leader of his clan, even after seeming to lose faith in his race. How wonderfully perfect. Tali, the innocent Quarian who was like Shep's little sister, turned into a raving anti-geth quarian isolationist warhawk. Garrus, our favorite ex-cop techie who wanted to explore a life on the edge, now a moping, vengeful, ultraviolent vigilante. The VS, a good friend who suddenly wishes hell on Shepard and, in Ashely's case, goes uber-hypocritical by calling Cerberus racist, even after her words in ME1 that ought to have gotten Wrex to turn and throw a massive warp-field her way.
Then there's Liara. An archaeologist and shy, sensitive, socially akward friend who turns into the GODDAMN SHADOW BROKER.
Maybe it's just me, but things have gone a bit to far.

So, my request? Don't go so crazy on our squaddies for ME3...

[mango smoothie]

Ofcoursenot wrote...

 Ashely's case, goes uber-hypocritical by calling Cerberus racist, even after her words in ME1 that ought to have gotten Wrex to turn and throw a massive warp-field her way.

Cerberus wants to control aliens. Ashley just feels we shouldn't put full trust in aliens, big difference.

[lazuli]

You have a point. If every character is dynamic in a story as filled with characters as Mass Effect's, the changes these characters make lose their impact.

Oh, look. One more reason why Jacob doesn't suck.

[GMagnum]

ppl jus dont like jacob cuz hes black

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

GMagnum wrote...

ppl jus dont like jacob cuz hes black

People do not like Jacob because he is a poorly written character.

[Ryzaki]

I hope that's trolling GMagnum.

[mango smoothie]

About Liara, I thought making her the Shadow Broker was a good move by Bioware. I thought her character in ME1 was quite boring then in LOTSB her character became very interesting.

[111987]

I think fan perception has made Wrex 'huggable'. His dialogue on Tuchanka still shows he means business, such as 'dragging Uvenk's clan to glory, whether it likes it or not'. Tali never liked the Geth since ME1, and always wanted to reclaim Rannoch. I thought Garrus's personality development was perfect; forming a squad like Shepard is very in-character, and the subsequent 'depression' due to his failure made sense to me too.

The VS, I somewhat agree, though we really didn't see much of them in ME2 to determine how they've developed.

I definitely agree with the Liara complaint though. I understand people can change in two years, but her change was so dramatic and pronounced, it's a bit jarring to talk to ME1 Liara and ME2 Liara.

[Zanallen]

Two years is plenty of time for people to change.

[bleetman]

Ashley isn't xenophobic.

I'm not sure why this needs to be repeated so frequently.

[Justicar]

Ryzaki wrote...

I hope that's trolling GMagnum.

It is, obviously.

ITT: BAAAAWWWW CHARACTERS AREN'T THE WAY I LIKE THEM EVEN THOUGH SO MANY OTHERS DO BAAAAAW

[GMagnum]

lol ok

[Ofcoursenot]

Justicar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I hope that's trolling GMagnum.

It is, obviously.

ITT: BAAAAWWWW CHARACTERS AREN'T THE WAY I LIKE THEM EVEN THOUGH SO MANY OTHERS DO BAAAAAW

It's not a matter of personal preference. It's just that some of these changes are outright ridiculous.

[TheBlackBaron]

bleetman wrote...

Ashley isn't xenophobic.

I'm not sure why this needs to be repeated so frequently.

Because she has nuanced views that don't neatly follow the average Paragon player's "let's all join hands and sing Kumbayah on the Citadel" way of handling the galaxy. 

[shep82]

Ofcoursenot wrote...

 Ah, yes, Character Development.
Most of the time, it's a thing of beauty that many games fail to even bother with.
In the case of ME2, it was a force of unbelievable cruelty, at least to me.

Look at it. Wrex, our Krogan buddy who fought at our side and seemed to enjoy life as a merc, turned into a big fuzzy huggable leader of his clan, even after seeming to lose faith in his race. How wonderfully perfect. Tali, the innocent Quarian who was like Shep's little sister, turned into a raving anti-geth quarian isolationist warhawk. Garrus, our favorite ex-cop techie who wanted to explore a life on the edge, now a moping, vengeful, ultraviolent vigilante. The VS, a good friend who suddenly wishes hell on Shepard and, in Ashely's case, goes uber-hypocritical by calling Cerberus racist, even after her words in ME1 that ought to have gotten Wrex to turn and throw a massive warp-field her way.
Then there's Liara. An archaeologist and shy, sensitive, socially akward friend who turns into the GODDAMN SHADOW BROKER.
Maybe it's just me, but things have gone a bit to far.

So, my request? Don't go so crazy on our squaddies for ME3...

Ok I can't agree with any of this. Wrex became Sheps Buddy during ME 1 and remained Loyal to him/her which is why he was so excited to see him/her. But turning into a fuzzy huggable Krogan? Not by far. He still knows when to be a baddass, and his claim of dorcing the clans together no matter what is proof of that. Ok now on to Tali, she was never a fan of the geth and her development just added more depth to her and was on track with her character as she always wanted to reclaim her homeworld. Garrus's development also made sense especially his depression. He lost his whole squad with whom he was really close to so yeah can't agree there. No Ash acted exactly like Ash.  After what we saw of cerberus in ME 1 she acted like I'd expect. Liara yeahat firs that threw me for a loop but after talking to her, her personality was understandably changed by events and I like the new Liara and I think making her the Shadow Broker was a great move.

[shep82]

Ofcoursenot wrote...

Justicar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I hope that's trolling GMagnum.

It is, obviously.

ITT: BAAAAWWWW CHARACTERS AREN'T THE WAY I LIKE THEM EVEN THOUGH SO MANY OTHERS DO BAAAAAW

It's not a matter of personal preference. It's just that some of these changes are outright ridiculous.

In your opinion not in mine.

[onelifecrisis]

ME2 showed us that characters will have whatever personality the plot needs them to have. So let's just hope the ME3 plot doesn't require Miranda to be a therapist, or Jack to be a schoolteacher.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 01 novembre 2011 - 11:40 .

[Bcuz]

Wrex, no change, that actually played off his "loyalty mission" rather well.

Tali, You. Are. Dead. Wrong. I won't even patronize you with an explanation, go play the game again, and this time, pay attention.

Garrus, To a certain extent, i'll give you that. That story was a bit to much of a stretch of that character.

Liara, for gods sake people read redemption! Or at least take the time to skim the wiki article...

VS, Imagine if you were black, or any minority really, and that you had a close or boy/girl friend, and that the two of you worked towards civil rights and equality. Now imagine that you died, and two years later your close/boy/girl friend found out that you were not dead, and are now working with the Klu Klux Klan. Yeah, there'd be some strong emotions there.

[111987]

Bcuz wrote...

Liara, for gods sake people read redemption! Or at least take the time to skim the wiki article...

It's not really great storytelling if a main character has a massive personality shift in a supplement to the main games.

[shep82]

111987 wrote...

Bcuz wrote...

Liara, for gods sake people read redemption! Or at least take the time to skim the wiki article...

It's not really great storytelling if a main character has a massive personality shift in a supplement to the main games.

True but it is also explained in game so......

[111987]

shep82 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Bcuz wrote...

Liara, for gods sake people read redemption! Or at least take the time to skim the wiki article...

It's not really great storytelling if a main character has a massive personality shift in a supplement to the main games.

True but it is also explained in game so......

I'm aware of that, but it's still somewhat weak. Not everyone read the comics, nor does everyone even have access to them. A few lines of dialogue felt lacking to me.

[Xeranx]

Tali wasn't as innocent as you think, OP.  She was always anti-Geth.  

Cthulhu42 wrote...

What? Wrex didn't change at all, and Garrus and Tali were significantly more awesome in ME2 than ME1. VS, sure, I'll give you that one, but since they only had a 5-min. cameo, you can't judge too much by that.

I disagree.  Tali was considerably watered down as a combatant and she was made more child-like when it came to the romance in ME2.  Then again, romance was generally immature in the sequel.  It was like ME's version of Liara after the awesome button was pressed.

Modifié par Xeranx, 01 novembre 2011 - 11:49 .