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[AdmiralCheez]

Ofcoursenot wrote...

 Ah, yes, Character Development.
Most of the time, it's a thing of beauty that many games fail to even bother with.
In the case of ME2, it was a force of unbelievable cruelty, at least to me.

Okay, can't help myself.  Gotta reply.

Look at it. Wrex, our Krogan buddy who fought at our side and seemed to enjoy life as a merc, turned into a big fuzzy huggable leader of his clan, even after seeming to lose faith in his race. How wonderfully perfect.

Wrex spent half of his time on the SR-1 fussing about how his people needed to get their sh*t together or face extinction.  It was revealed he was the son of a clan leader and had followers in the past, but was attacked and forced out for advocating reform and denouncing tradition.  His actions on Virmire show he does indeed care about his people, despite his bitterness and cynicism.  Working with Shepard showed him how much determination, charisma, and going one's own way matter in a leader, and he learned that there were much bigger things at work in the galaxy, things that were worth more than fighting for credits.

Going back to Tuchanka and attempting to reunite his people is a logical extension of his character development, given what we know about his history and what he experienced in ME1.

Tali, the innocent Quarian who was like Shep's little sister, turned into a raving anti-geth quarian isolationist warhawk.

Tali already hated the geth in ME1, and seeing all the trouble they caused alongside Saren sure didn't help.  When she returned to the fleet, the fact that she helped save the Citadel compounded the pressure already put on her for being Rael'Zorah's daughter.

Hating the geth and frazzled over having way too much expected of her is precisely what one would expect in ME2.

Garrus, our favorite ex-cop techie who wanted to explore a life on the edge, now a moping, vengeful, ultraviolent vigilante.

We already knew from ME1 that Garrus was incredibly combat/tech savvy (enough to be considered for Spectre training), reckless, idealistic, and vengeful (look at Dr. Saleon)--already an Archangel in the making.  He found that life on the edge he was looking for on Omega, and the realities of the criminal underground destroyed him (hence, mopey and ultraviolent).

People get mad for Garrus not following the paragon's advice, but seriously, when was the last time Garrus actually listened to an authority figure, especially when that mentor is killed, and all his good efforts get stonewalled by the pencil-pushers?

The VS, a good friend who suddenly wishes hell on Shepard and, in Ashely's case, goes uber-hypocritical by calling Cerberus racist, even after her words in ME1 that ought to have gotten Wrex to turn and throw a massive warp-field her way.

You... kind of missed the Cerberus sidequests in ME1, I take it.  They were murdering innocents, experimenting with dangerous creatures, and executing members of the Alliance command.

Then there's Liara. An archaeologist and shy, sensitive, socially akward friend who turns into the GODDAMN SHADOW BROKER.

Okay, that character arc was legitimately bizarre.  Kind of made sense at the end of LotSB.  Kind of.

Maybe it's just me, but things have gone a bit to far.

Maybe it's just me, but you probably don't do much literary analysis.

So, my request? Don't go so crazy on our squaddies for ME3...

I liked your other crazy requests better, but I lol'd anyway.

[Merchant2006]

GMagnum wrote...

ppl jus dont like jacob cuz hes black

*snorts with laughter*

But the priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiize.

[The Spamming Troll]

every character weve run into seems far too important and far to frequent. im running into more familiar faces in ME then i do in real life. its not even done in an apealing way becasue our favorite characters cameos are just as bad as running into fist or helena blake. then theres tali, daughter of one of the most important quarians. liara, daughtter to matriarch benezia, legion, king of the geth, wrex, king of the krogan. ......not to mention getting resurected by TIM..

i think one of the most important parts of both ME games is the squad. i love anderson and saren and prolly aria too, but never more then my least favorite squadmate. i like that bioware is going back to a smaller group, i just hope they are fleshed out to the max. id like it to take a long time before garrus ever needs to start calibtrating. there will be plenty of oportunity for the world to feel fleshed out seeing all those reocurring people as well.

[Someone With Mass]

Sounds like someone didn't bring Tali to the colony on Feros.

I wasn't that surprised over Garrus' change either, since he always talked about his restrictions while working with C-Sec and was always eager to stop the criminals by any means necessary.

Liara, though. Whoo-ho, there's one ugly character "development"
Going from a insecure and lonely researcher to a top rated information broker in less than two years?

Yeah, bull-freaking-horse****.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 02 novembre 2011 - 02:01 .

[slimgrin]

You're asking for continuity from Bioware?

Modifié par slimgrin, 02 novembre 2011 - 02:07 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The only characters who I thought suffered from character "development" were Liara (who didn't develop, she was just rewritten) and Garrus who had his development thrown out. Tali developed fine as a character, but she was tossed into a plot that didn't really have a need for her.

Same can be said about the majority of the squad.

[SandTrout]

Click here for my opinion.

Modifié par SandTrout, 02 novembre 2011 - 02:11 .

[Ofcoursenot]

SandTrout wrote...

Click here for my opinion.

Yeah, no. That URL is clearly NSFW.

[slimgrin]

I can't believe people still defend the reckless changes of character Bioware jammed into ME2. You do that in a book and it's called bad writing.

Modifié par slimgrin, 02 novembre 2011 - 02:15 .

[Ofcoursenot]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

The only characters who I thought suffered from character "development" were Liara (who didn't develop, she was just rewritten) and Garrus who had his development thrown out. Tali developed fine as a character, but she was tossed into a plot that didn't really have a need for her.

Same can be said about the majority of the squad.

Well, that's true but I think she has it the worst.

Garrus at least has a redemption kind of thing. Same with Thane and Mordi.

Samara has... ...whatever.

Zaeed and Kasumi are being paid. Shallow, but at least we understand their motivation.

Miranda and Jacob make it clear why they are there when they tell you about why they joined Cerberus in the first place, the same with the rest of the crew.

Mordin is needed for his scientific skills. Although, honestly, why both he AND Okeer were on the list is beyond me. The ensuing fights are something TIM really should've thought of beforehand.

[Dr. rotinaj]

Justicar wrote...

It is, obviously.

ITT: BAAAAWWWW CHARACTERS AREN'T THE WAY I LIKE THEM EVEN THOUGH SO MANY OTHERS DO BAAAAAW

No, that's called having an opinion.

On-topic: Pretty much what Cheez said, all the characters except for Liara had fine character development.  

[javierabegazo]

Goodness, you sure love hyperbole don't you?

[Someone With Mass]

slimgrin wrote...

I can't believe people still defend the reckless changes of character Bioware jammed into ME2. You do that in a book and its called bad writing.

Ah, yes, because a book and a video game can use the exact same kind of story structure.

[SandTrout]

I'm not unwilling to criticize BioWare, and frequently have.

Every sentence in OP is simply incoherent, poorly thought, illogical, and/or plain wrong.

[Ofcoursenot]

javierabegazo wrote...

Goodness, you sure love hyperbole don't you?

I LOOOOOOVE it.

[slimgrin]

Garrus becoming a vigilante was ridiculous. Liara the book worm, dead set on revenge with the weakest of motivations, was ridiculous. Pulling Wrex out and replacing him with a pathetic Wrex wanna-be was ridiculous. I can't wait to see what they've done with Ashley and Kaiden...


Oh wait, that's right. After risking thier lives time and again with Shepard in ME1, they won't even give him time of day in ME2...but now they're serving with Shepard again in ME3? Talk about writng yourself into a corner.

Modifié par slimgrin, 02 novembre 2011 - 02:32 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

For me Tali stands out because we never really hear her talk about the mission. Sure, she is dedicated to Shepard, but Shepard is asking a lot. Why does she care about the galaxy? ME1 gave her better motivation than that (even if it made her look immature and naive).

Inevitably, the Reapers will turn their attention towards the quarians. If she helps Shepard, she could be indirectly helping her people.

[Someone With Mass]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
I also think the fact that she practically worships Shepard may have something to do with it.

Almost everyone's in the Shepard fan club, though.