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Keep the character development in check, please.


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Logical and true, but also boring, don't you think?

That's why I say she should have been left out of ME1 and saved for ME3 where she could have a much more important role. Instead her role in ME3 will be an optional one to account for her possible death.


I think it'd been just as optional (hey, everyone's whining about the choices, so why not) if she'd been saved for ME3, since you can probably just ignore the quarians and their problems.

A little background doesn't hurt either.

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I also think the fact that she practically worships Shepard may have something to do with it.


Almost everyone's in the Shepard fan club, though.

Not to the extent Tali is, though. Her, Liara, and possibly Garrus seem to take their Shepard devotions that extra step.

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I think it'd been just as optional (hey, everyone's whining about the choices, so why not) if she'd been saved for ME3, since you can probably just ignore the quarians and their problems.


Sure, you could, like you could ignore the loyalty missions, but then you are ignoring a fairly substantial part of the gmae. Or so I would hope.

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I also think the fact that she practically worships Shepard may have something to do with it.


Almost everyone's in the Shepard fan club, though.

Not Jack. Well, not at first.

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Not to the extent Tali is, though. Her, Liara, and possibly Garrus seem to take their Shepard devotions that extra step.


Legion as well, considering that the poor guy was made to look for Shepard. That and the broken chest piece of Shepard's armor welded to cover the hole.

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I also think the fact that she practically worships Shepard may have something to do with it.


Almost everyone's in the Shepard fan club, though.

Not to the extent Tali is, though. Her, Liara, and possibly Garrus seem to take their Shepard devotions that extra step.

What is so "extra step" about Garrus and Tali because I don't see it. 

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Not to the extent Tali is, though. Her, Liara, and possibly Garrus seem to take their Shepard devotions that extra step.


Legion as well, considering that the poor guy was made to look for Shepard. That and the broken chest piece of Shepard's armor welded to cover the hole.

Wait, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Legion just wearing a shoulder pauldron on his right arm?

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Not to the extent Tali is, though. Her, Liara, and possibly Garrus seem to take their Shepard devotions that extra step.


Legion as well, considering that the poor guy was made to look for Shepard. That and the broken chest piece of Shepard's armor welded to cover the hole.

Yeah, but Shepard can't have sex with him.

...Yet.:?

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What is so "extra step" about Garrus and Tali because I don't see it. 


Well in Tali's case: I will serve on an enemy ship because my <3<3husbandu<3<3 is there even though one would think I'd be far angrier with him than KAishely ever was.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

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Not to the extent Tali is, though. Her, Liara, and possibly Garrus seem to take their Shepard devotions that extra step.


Legion as well, considering that the poor guy was made to look for Shepard. That and the broken chest piece of Shepard's armor welded to cover the hole.

Yeah, but Shepard can't have sex with him.

...Yet.:?

If the goddamn turian was bangable, I'm sure we can get Legion some upgrades.

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What is so "extra step" about Garrus and Tali because I don't see it. 


Well in Tali's case: I will serve on an enemy ship because my <3<3husbandu<3<3 is there even though one would think I'd be far angrier with him than KAishely ever was.

What the heck does Tali have to be more angry towards Shepard over Kaidan/Ashley for?

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What is so "extra step" about Garrus and Tali because I don't see it. 


Well in Tali's case: I will serve on an enemy ship because my <3<3husbandu<3<3 is there even though one would think I'd be far angrier with him than KAishely ever was.

What the heck does Tali have to be more angry towards Shepard over Kaidan/Ashley for?

Not Shepard specifically, but Cerberus. In case you missed it (it's mentioned twice), Cerberus tried to blow up a quarian ship, and all quarians now severely hate Cerberus. Whereas Cerberus is a pro-human group, so one would think the VS would be less anti-Cerberus than any alien squadmate.

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Character development in my Mass Effect? Surely you jest.

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jreezy wrote...

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What is so "extra step" about Garrus and Tali because I don't see it. 


Well in Tali's case: I will serve on an enemy ship because my <3<3husbandu<3<3 is there even though one would think I'd be far angrier with him than KAishely ever was.

What the heck does Tali have to be more angry towards Shepard over Kaidan/Ashley for?

Not Shepard specifically, but Cerberus. In case you missed it (it's mentioned twice), Cerberus tried to blow up a quarian ship, and all quarians now severely hate Cerberus. Whereas Cerberus is a pro-human group, so one would think the VS would be less anti-Cerberus than any alien squadmate.

I remember that but Saphra did say "Shepard" and not Cerberus. Cerberus isn't all that pro human to me honestly. At least not as long as the Illusive Man is running the show. He isn't human centric, he's Cerberus centric.

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Character development in my Mass Effect? Surely you jest.


Think of it as a euphemism.

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jreezy wrote...

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What is so "extra step" about Garrus and Tali because I don't see it. 


Well in Tali's case: I will serve on an enemy ship because my <3<3husbandu<3<3 is there even though one would think I'd be far angrier with him than KAishely ever was.

What the heck does Tali have to be more angry towards Shepard over Kaidan/Ashley for?

Not Shepard specifically, but Cerberus. In case you missed it (it's mentioned twice), Cerberus tried to blow up a quarian ship, and all quarians now severely hate Cerberus. Whereas Cerberus is a pro-human group, so one would think the VS would be less anti-Cerberus than any alien squadmate.

I remember that but Saphra did say "Shepard" and not Cerberus. Cerberus isn't all that pro human to me honestly. At least not as long as the Illusive Man is running the show. He isn't human centric, he's Cerberus centric.


But Cerberus is hoomanity! *troll face*

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But Cerberus is hoomanity! *troll face*

And that's the line I was thinking of when I typed that.:lol:

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ppl jus dont like jacob cuz hes black


*snorts with laughter*

But the priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiize.

"Yo Tali, I'm real proud of you, Imma let you finish, but Liara is one of the best love interests of all time!  OF ALL TIME!"
-Jacob "Kanye" Taylor

Nah, Jacob never really provoked much of a reaction from me one way or another.

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What is so "extra step" about Garrus and Tali because I don't see it. 


Well in Tali's case: I will serve on an enemy ship because my <3<3husbandu<3<3 is there even though one would think I'd be far angrier with him than KAishely ever was.

What the heck does Tali have to be more angry towards Shepard over Kaidan/Ashley for?

Not Shepard specifically, but Cerberus. In case you missed it (it's mentioned twice), Cerberus tried to blow up a quarian ship, and all quarians now severely hate Cerberus. Whereas Cerberus is a pro-human group, so one would think the VS would be less anti-Cerberus than any alien squadmate.

I remember that but Saphra did say "Shepard" and not Cerberus. Cerberus isn't all that pro human to me honestly. At least not as long as the Illusive Man is running the show. He isn't human centric, he's Cerberus centric.

Oh, well, Tali should have no reason at all to be angry at Shepard specifically. Then again, neither should the VS.

And human domination vs. Cerberus domination isn't really much of a difference, to me anyway. It's bad either way.

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ppl jus dont like jacob cuz hes black


*snorts with laughter*

But the priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiize.

"Yo Tali, I'm real proud of you, Imma let you finish, but Liara is one of the best love interests of all time!  OF ALL TIME!"
-Jacob "Kanye" Taylor

Nah, Jacob never really provoked much of a reaction from me one way or another.

Can't lie, Kanye should play him in the movie.

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Oh, well, Tali should have no reason at all to be angry at Shepard specifically. Then again, neither should the VS.

And human domination vs. Cerberus domination isn't really much of a difference, to me anyway. It's bad either way.

I should've worded my response better, I mean human centric as in acting in the best way for humanity. That doesn't really involve human dominance.

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Garrus becoming a vigilante was ridiculous. 


What, the same Garrus who always complained about doing things by the book and having to put up with red tape in ME1? The same Garrus who gave up his C-Sec responsibilities to join Shepard's crew? Did you even do the Dr. Saleon side-quest? I, on the other hand, think his turning to vigilantism was quite logical.

Pulling Wrex out and replacing him with a pathetic Wrex wanna-be was ridiculous.


I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you talking about Wreav? If so, what exactly was wrong with him, and how would you have handled the consequences of sparing/killing Wrex on Virmire?

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I remember that but Saphra did say "Shepard" and not Cerberus. Cerberus isn't all that pro human to me honestly. At least not as long as the Illusive Man is running the show. He isn't human centric, he's Cerberus centric.


I think Saphra was referring to Shepard's willingness  to work alongside Cerberus, after the events from the Ascension novel, that would give cause to her anger.



I could be wrong though.

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Oh, well, Tali should have no reason at all to be angry at Shepard specifically. Then again, neither should the VS.


Right, other than Shepard working closely with an avowed enemy of her people she has no reason to be upset.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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Oh, well, Tali should have no reason at all to be angry at Shepard specifically. Then again, neither should the VS.


Right, other than Shepard working closely with an avowed enemy of her people she has no reason to be upset.


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