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[mulder1199]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...
You mean the part where she had to leave him behind to save Shepard's remains from ending up in Collector hands? I hardly think that counts as 'no reason'. And I thought it fit in with the story, Shepard far outweighs Feron, especially since the collectors/reapers want Shepard, not Feron.

The only two things between her and Feron were a badly wounded Collector and an unarmed Tazzik who was beating up Feron with his bare fists.
Liara is a biotic, she was armed and she took out all those other mercs in blink of an eye. But for some reason she... left. She really, really, REALLY could have saved Feron but instead she just left.

the mission goal was to save shep, she did that.....in agreement with feron......actually it explains more her actions in ME2, she's focused on accomplishing the task before her.....she's more driven...

[Ghost-621]

Hey, I have a thought that I will share.

I understand there is a lot of controversy over character's ME1 vs. ME2 personas, but what about ME 1&2 Vs. ME3 personas?

Bioware, don't you dare rewrite or destroy characters that are already established to cater to the same sex crowd. Don't screw this up.

[Rogue Unit]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Hey, I have a thought that I will share.

I understand there is a lot of controversy over character's ME1 vs. ME2 personas, but what about ME 1&2 Vs. ME3 personas?

Bioware, don't you dare rewrite or destroy characters that are already established to cater to the same sex crowd. Don't screw this up.

Wait until IsaacShep sees this.

[Pinkflu]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Hey, I have a thought that I will share.

I understand there is a lot of controversy over character's ME1 vs. ME2 personas, but what about ME 1&2 Vs. ME3 personas?

Bioware, don't you dare rewrite or destroy characters that are already established to cater to the same sex crowd. Don't screw this up.

You know you're living in a homophobic culture when it's apparently acceptable to state that having a previously established fictional character express same-sex desire would be 'destroying' that character. These boards fail so hard on sexuality sometimes, it's depressing.

[Ofcoursenot]

Pinkflu wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Hey, I have a thought that I will share.

I understand there is a lot of controversy over character's ME1 vs. ME2 personas, but what about ME 1&2 Vs. ME3 personas?

Bioware, don't you dare rewrite or destroy characters that are already established to cater to the same sex crowd. Don't screw this up.

You know you're living in a homophobic culture when it's apparently acceptable to state that having a previously established fictional character express same-sex desire would be 'destroying' that character. These boards fail so hard on sexuality sometimes, it's depressing.

I agree, and I'm 100% hetero, myself. And, this may just be me, but the way Kaidan stares at Manshep on the Normandy during conversation doesn't scream "platonic interest" to me...

[Ofcoursenot]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Hey, I have a thought that I will share.

I understand there is a lot of controversy over character's ME1 vs. ME2 personas, but what about ME 1&2 Vs. ME3 personas?

Bioware, don't you dare rewrite or destroy characters that are already established to cater to the same sex crowd. Don't screw this up.

Wait until IsaacShep sees this.

*Snickers*
That'd be funny.

[shepskisaac]

Edit: Post removed.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 novembre 2011 - 04:10 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

*Reads thread title: Keep the character development in check, please."*

"Oh, it's probably about the powers and skill customisation, some guy doesn't want BW to spoil all of the new abilities or something. Fair enough. Maybe it's about some of the companions too or story related."

*opens thread*

"Homophobic Men are the most aroused when watching Gay Porn."

Ugh... just another day on BSN.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 04 novembre 2011 - 12:29 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

This thread confuses me...



There's no need to re-hash old ground but character development doesn't necessarily mean the character's history it can be how they deal with stressful situations like... I dunno the universe being destroyed, don't deny me hearing Zaeed say "**** happens, let's just blow the mother****er to hell and back".

[Centauri2002]

Oh, the silliness. The character progression throughout the games has been interesting. The things those people have gone through would no doubt change them in some way, or at least alter their view on certain things. Those changes may not be what we want to see in those characters but that doesn't make it bad. That just means it's not to our liking.

Life can do unpredictable things to a person. I'd rather see a character evolve in an unexpected direction than not see them grow at all.

[Ghost-621]

Yep. I don't want my conversations turning from "How are you doing, Garrus?" to "Hey, imma gon fist you cause you checked up on me!" That obvoiusly makes me homophobic. I have nothing against gays/lesbians (they're usually the nicest people), I just don't want preestablished hetero characters messed with because Bioware wants to cater.

Kindly, ****** off good sir. Calling me homophobic for disagreeing with a develepment choice makes you an idiot.

[Centauri2002]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Yep. I don't want my conversations turning from "How are you doing, Garrus?" to "Hey, imma gon fist you cause you checked up on me!" That obvoiusly makes me homophobic. I have nothing against gays/lesbians (they're usually the nicest people), I just don't want preestablished hetero characters messed with because Bioware wants to cater.

Kindly, ****** off good sir. Calling me homophobic for disagreeing with a develepment choice makes you an idiot.

I didn't want that happening to my FemShep and Garrus either but it did. So much for having no interest in humans. I dealt with it.

(I'm not a xenophobe by the way. Some of my best friends are aliens.)

[shepskisaac]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Yep. I don't want my conversations turning from "How are you doing, Garrus?" to "Hey, imma gon fist you cause you checked up on me!" That obvoiusly makes me homophobic. I have nothing against gays/lesbians (they're usually the nicest people), I just don't want preestablished hetero characters messed with because Bioware wants to cater.

Kindly, ****** off good sir. Calling me homophobic for disagreeing with a develepment choice makes you an idiot.

I simply love it how it's always Garrus brought up. Don't you guys guys realize he's the worst example possible even though he's a bro-bro?
1) Garrus doesn't check up on Shep. The romance with FemShep was 100% player initiated and Garrus blatantly says he ain't really into Shep (or any other human) and he's gonna try "it" outta respect/friendship with FemShep
2) Due to physical features, human males would be actualy more attractive to Turian males tha female humans. Oops

Oh and of course stuff like "bisexuality messes up characters who never said they weren't bisexua!!!" and equating gay romance/relationship straight away to fisting really shows how much you love gays/lesbians.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 04 novembre 2011 - 03:31 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Han Shot First wrote...

Perhaps Benezia was an intel broker?

That might explain Liara's career shift as well as Benezia's pre-indoctrination connection to Saren.  Mom dies, and following Shepard's death Liara accesses Benezia's files and picks up the pieces of her organization.

Or at least that is the route I'd go if I had to come up with a backstory to explain Liara's sudden shift in careers.

I LIKE THIS

[Someone With Mass]

The only thing I really want fixed is how a couple of dialogues makes the squadmate think that I'm their bump buddy and I can't move away from that without being mean to them and that we can't talk about something else.

[Centauri2002]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Perhaps Benezia was an intel broker?

That might explain Liara's career shift as well as Benezia's pre-indoctrination connection to Saren.  Mom dies, and following Shepard's death Liara accesses Benezia's files and picks up the pieces of her organization.

Or at least that is the route I'd go if I had to come up with a backstory to explain Liara's sudden shift in careers.

I LIKE THIS

Whilst that's one possible way to explain it, I don't think there's anything wrong with the current explanation.

If you take all the lore into account, it makes sense that Liara would go down that path. To catch a broker it would make sense that you'd have to walk in their world, no?

[SnowHeart1]

  @ Ghost. Really? I mean... REALLY!? Where the heck did that come from, and how long have you been dwelling on it to randomly insert that hang-up into this conversation? Just... what!?  Anyway...

... the OP has me confused. Is he asking that characters remain static and unchanging despite the passage of years and the types of experiences that few of us will ever even approach having in our own lives? Sorry, no, I don't get that. I want the characters in a story to grow and evolve. I want Bioware to do it well, but I do want the characters to grow or, as it were, "develop".

Wrex made total sense to me. He wasn't a raving lunatic in ME1, bashing his head into the Mako. He had an ascerbic wit and bemoaned the fate of his people. In ME2, he had the power to change that fate, so he did, but he was still fundamentally Wrex. And if you don't remember people complaining that Garrus-circa-ME1 was a whiny, emo wimp, I think your memory is flawed. I like Garrus, but he is alternatively whiny and dark.

Some of the writing started to drift, I'll grant you that. I didn't buy Liara threatening to flay someone alive -- at all -- and the VS exchange seemed incredibly forced to me, but I was willing to roll with it as a distillation of broader issues concerning the Alliance's perception of Shepard's association with Cerberus.  

It's fine. Bring the change. Change is good. (Although, I realize this is BSN, and some things never change.)

Modifié par SnowHeart1, 04 novembre 2011 - 03:56 .

[Rune-Chan]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Hey, I have a thought that I will share.

I understand there is a lot of controversy over character's ME1 vs. ME2 personas, but what about ME 1&2 Vs. ME3 personas?

Bioware, don't you dare rewrite or destroy characters that are already established to cater to the same sex crowd. Don't screw this up.

If every single previously (seemingly) heterosexual character becomes bisexual, then I think it would be silly, but to suggest that not a single character could "come out" or admit they had feelings for a s/s Shepard in Mass Effect 3 is ridiculous.

I have had friends who I knew as being "straight" for years before they admitted they were gay/bisexual. It's quite common you know, not all homosexual or bisexual people are open about it with everybody they meet from the offset.

Ofcoursenot wrote...

I agree, and I'm 100% hetero, myself.
And, this may just be me, but the way Kaidan stares at Manshep on the
Normandy during conversation doesn't scream "platonic interest" to me...

I agree, I cannot look at those convo's without expecting one of them to ponce on the other. He seems the most natural choice as a bisexual character. Tali's dialogue hints at it quite strongly also.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 04 novembre 2011 - 04:08 .

[Chris Priestly]

Now well off topic and closed.


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