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[eroeru]

I'm really in a hurry right now, so will just link an earier post: 
http://social.biowar...06371/5#8621551


The poll in question: 
http://social.biowar...14/polls/26271/

Modifié par eroeru, 02 novembre 2011 - 07:18 .

[csfteeeer]

don't know what this has to do with DA2, with meh, why not.

Started Gaming in 1988, Favorite BW game: BG2, but i'm not sure whether i prefer Older BW games, since some of those i do not like very much(NWN for example), so i really got no answer in this poll.

[devSin]

I think those are the wrong questions. I gamed in the latter 80s and throughout the 90s. I think Baldur's Gate II is the best game BioWare has ever made (and I'm largely convinced it is the best they will ever make), but I don't "prefer" their older games.

I prefer Origins to Dragon Age II, but that's not because I'm old. It was the better game (not by a ton, if it's any consolation). I like Mass Effect fine (and I'll probably play Mass Effect long after the final time I ever touch Baldur's Gate), although I prefer party-based fantasy, so Dragon Age is the better franchise.

I'll never play NWN again. I'll probably never play Jade Empire (though it's quite good) again. I may in fact never play BG or BG2 ever again (but I don't like to think about it; never say never, I hope). I will play the entire ME trilogy again. I will play Origins and DA2 again.

None of those options would be accurate for me.

Modifié par devSin, 02 novembre 2011 - 07:54 .

[Loain]

One part old two parts technology.

Games a decade ago could be fully engrossing time sucks. They can't really do that anymore. Look around, everything is faster and instant gratification driven. Older gamers don't have the time to devote 10+ hours into one gaming session (or 24+, good times) and younger gamers will move onto something else the minute they get bored. None of the age groups has the time or attention spans anymore. This doesn't mean the end of all those element we once held dear are gone, they're just more efficient and condensed. Or perhaps they're having a few growing pains, still trying to find the best way to adapt to this crazy world of ours.

[Yuqi]

I showed my nephews a ps1 game..They didn't believe it was a real video game, it was too clunky. Then again, most kids these days don't know how to spell without a spell-checker.

I grew up with the original Mario. I can't comment on the older Bioware games,since, I grew up with consoles. But with games in general I go for the older games.images/spacer.gif

Modifié par Yuqi, 02 novembre 2011 - 08:55 .

[DeathDragon185]

I grew up playing all the final fantasy's on the ps1. Final Fantasy X shall remain the best game I have ever played
I was only introduced to Bioware games after my friend suggested I get ME2.

[philippe willaume]

yes of course we old decrepit ancestors are stuck in the past.

seriously i am not sure, there might be link with what peoeple from the 80-90 expect as far as depth and content are concerned.
And may be people of my generantion might have a tendancy to see what games tend to be and link it to what happen to the movies or the book industy . Ie a big chunk of eyes pleasing but distinct lack of substances.
so for exemple i don't really like the theater version of Kingdom of heaven or avatar but i like the extended version of both.
(if only to reasure myself that Orlando B has more that one facial expression.)

but really the debat of from over substance is as old as recorded history and you can't miss what you have not expereinced
phil

[AlexXIV]

Well not just about Bioware games, but I think the stories of older games have been better. Maybe it's just because back then they were new and now they are rather similar to something you have done or heard before. But I really think nowadays story has moved in the background in favor of technical stuff. My hope for the future would be that technical progress advances as much that both is possible on a platform, great story and up to date technical standard.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 02 novembre 2011 - 10:08 .

[FedericoV]

eroeru wrote...

I'm really in a hurry right now, so will just link an earier post: 
http://social.biowar...06371/5#8621551


The poll in question: 
http://social.biowar...14/polls/26271/

I cannot answer to the poll: it's really hard since things are never that black or white. My favourite Bioware's game is BG2 off course and I believe that the IE years are the golden age of CRPGs (but maybe I felt that way even because I was a lot younger in those years and my expectations in many areas were quite lower). But I do not like NWN a lot. And I think that ME2 is their second best game. So, how should I vote in your poll?

In general, I believe that in the last 10 years games have changed both for the better and for the worst. In terms of presentation, graphics, production values, writing, controls and accessibility the gaming industries has improved a lot. Games of the 90's and 80's while fun are nearly implayable those days. But we have lost a lot of depth, variety and complexity in the process.

Moreover, the improvement on the graphic/writing/presentation department have determined the growing importance of things like cut-scene and other storytelling tools that are taken from non-gaming/non-interactive sources like books or movies. As a consequence modern games have less and less room for emergent and spontaneous storytelling/gameplay.

That's true for CRPGs but it's even worst in the FPS dept. There is a standard formula for popular game and most games try to adapt to it: for example, it's nearly impossible to find an AAA without health regen or mana/power regen. As a result, games from different genres and different developers are getting similar.

That's sad but untill gamers will buy those kind of titles there is little to do.

Modifié par FedericoV, 02 novembre 2011 - 11:39 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

I can't answer because I like both old and new BioWare games! I love the Baldur's Gate series and both Dragon Age installments, but I thought the original Neverwinter Nights campaign was decidedly mediocre. (For that matter, I'm not all that keen on Throne of Bhaal.)

[cihimi]

No thanks. Your thread title is incoherent and you don't even have a registered Bioware game.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

None of the the options are accurate for me. I started playing RPG in the late 80s and throughout 90s but the only older BioWare games I played was Neverwinter Night and Neverwinter Night 2 ( later took over by Obsidian but I still credit BioWare for Aurora toolset used in NW 2 ). My preference is the older D&D ( First Edition ) or PnP RPG which feature multi races and multi paths to shape your own story where every choices and consequences mattered. I don't follow much BioWare games because they started late after TSR & SSI D&D RPG declined due to stagnation. When they developed BG 2, I already started playing Ragnarok Online and no longer interested in single player RPG which was beginning to be swallowed by JRPG PS1 Final Fantasy 7. But I checked news on Bethesda's The Elder Scrolls from time to time and stumbled across Neverwinter Nights. I liked Neverwinter Nights due to modding capability just like TES. But it seem now, BioWare no longer interested with modding community since according to them, mods only benefit PC users who are just small proportion of their market based ( completely ignore the fact that TES sell twice than BioWare's games due to modding community ).

Anyway, in short, I only prefer the older system that imitate the D&D/PnP ruleset in the 80s and 90s. These are the games that actually provide a ROLE for You to play. You are the character. And not the kind of games that let rubbish set character to roleplay you instead. 

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 02 novembre 2011 - 03:06 .

[eroeru]

Thanks for the responses! And yes, I knew there would be many who couldn't answer, but I've never been a fan of the "other" option - cause it just doesn't seem to mean anything.

@cihimi - I do have DA:O registered here on another account (which is lost to me - the user-name, the password - I probably don't use that e-mail anymore either). + I've gotten quite a few earlier Bioware games. If this really IS important...

[Slayer299]

@chimi - okay, the thread title's not clear, but what does eroeru not having any games registered have to do with anything about not answering his question?

OP - I started with cRPG's with the Ultima's (III-VI), Wizardry and then BG later on. Developers have made a lot of strides with graphics, but the newer Bioware games seem to be a lot thinner of story and were insane time-sinks (and I mean that in a good way) that easily ate up 80+ hours doing everything in the main game, much less the expansions like Throne of Bhaal or Tales of the Sword Coast. Bioware gave you tons of things to do (or not) without railroading you to follow the main quest as quickly as possible.

I love DAO and ME1, but recent games such as JE, DA2, ME2 have all been shorter and more main quest driven focused games.

[Stanley Woo]

Not really Dragon Age II related.



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