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[MisterJB]

BobTheAndroid wrote...

If Sovereign and Saren would have contacted the rest of the Reapers and than waited 2 years for them and then they executed the Counduit plan whit the entire Reaper fleet backing them up, the galaxy would have been FRACKED.

The 2 years travel spend resources. Sovereign, as the Vanguard, is supposed to be able to circunvent any problems that might appear. it makes sense for the other Reapers to wait until Sovereign's destruction before they start Plan B, the Alpha Relay.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

We can assume that the only way way Sovereign can communicate with the other Reapers is through the Citadel.

I don't think so, The reapers communicate plenty with Grayson in the books and Harbinger communicates freely with the collectors and even Shepard...in fact i think that object Rho was some kind of signal booster that allowed communication and this is why it was sending out pulses the nearer the reapers were.

perhaps they have scattered several objects like Rho around the galaxy to help communication.. though this is just a theory.

[onelifecrisis]

Gemini1179 wrote...

The Truth

[BobTheAndroid]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

BobTheAndroid wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

Is this one more of those topics: ME1's story was great ME2's was bad? Because arguments in this kind of things tends to be horrible, this for once: No one on Virmire thought to start up an Omni-tool and record the Q&A with Soverign? Ok, fool me once, shame on you. ARRIVAL- once again we talk to a Reaper, and does Shepard record it? Sure didn't mention to Hackett if she did. Fool me twice...
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What would be the point in this? Prove the Reapers exist? I mean, Sovereign attack the cidatel, the council had access to its parts and even after that they choose to ignore this threat. Anyone thinks an audio record would change that?

The Council was retconned to not believe in the Reapers because that was needed for the Cerberus railroading.

I really hope they were just playing hard to get with you and they will acknowledge that in the next game!

Oh look, politicians not following through with the promises they made. Where have we seen that before? Oh right, real life.

Evil giantic robot squids try to exterminate them and they have proof about it. That is not politicians backing down from their previous promis. That is bad writing!

[Lyriel25]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

I really hope you get to kill the illusive man in ME3.. that will make my day. >;D

^This.

Payback time, T.I.M. Send me into a trap knowing I may well not survive? I expect you to pull this kind of crap, which is why I don't trust you. But lure the VS (with whom you know I have a relationship) to Horizon, where they have an excellent chance of being Collected? My Paragon fingers will put your ubiquitous cigarette out in the left eye socket of your freshly-severed head at the earliest opportunity.

[mango smoothie]

To me Mass Effect is very much like how TV show stories go. Mass Effect 1 sets up the main plot for the rest of the series, introduces characters and factions. Mass Effect 2 is like that one season of a TV show that the main season story line isn't the best, but starts a whole bunch of subplots that set up for the next season. Mass Effect 3 will be concluding all these subplots, but in a way that follows the main storyline.

[AdmiralCheez]

mango smoothie wrote...

To me Mass Effect is very much like how TV show stories go. Mass Effect 1 sets up the main plot for the rest of the series, introduces characters and factions. Mass Effect 2 is like that one season of a TV show that the main season story line isn't the best, but starts a whole bunch of subplots that set up for the next season. Mass Effect 3 will be concluding all these subplots, but in a way that follows the main storyline.

OH MY GOD I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE.

[BobTheAndroid]

Lyriel25 wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

I really hope you get to kill the illusive man in ME3.. that will make my day. >;D

^This.

Payback time, T.I.M. Send me into a trap knowing I may well not survive? I expect you to pull this kind of crap, which is why I don't trust you. But lure the VS (with whom you know I have a relationship) to Horizon, where they have an excellent chance of being Collected? My Paragon fingers will put your ubiquitous cigarette out in the left eye socket of your freshly-severed head at the earliest opportunity.

I really hope the third game will start with this^. And then him and his entire Cerberus thing will be forgotten completelly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sgt Stryker]

BobTheAndroid wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

BobTheAndroid wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

Is this one more of those topics: ME1's story was great ME2's was bad? Because arguments in this kind of things tends to be horrible, this for once: No one on Virmire thought to start up an Omni-tool and record the Q&A with Soverign? Ok, fool me once, shame on you. ARRIVAL- once again we talk to a Reaper, and does Shepard record it? Sure didn't mention to Hackett if she did. Fool me twice...
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What would be the point in this? Prove the Reapers exist? I mean, Sovereign attack the cidatel, the council had access to its parts and even after that they choose to ignore this threat. Anyone thinks an audio record would change that?

The Council was retconned to not believe in the Reapers because that was needed for the Cerberus railroading.

I really hope they were just playing hard to get with you and they will acknowledge that in the next game!

Oh look, politicians not following through with the promises they made. Where have we seen that before? Oh right, real life.

Evil giantic robot squids try to exterminate them and they have proof about it. That is not politicians backing down from their previous promis. That is bad writing!

Well, it looks like the proof isn't good enough.

Besides, our own scientists have proof that spewing copious amounts of CO2 gas into the atmosphere will be bad for our health many years down the road, but there are quite a few politicians who aren't convinced of that either.

This is assuming, of course, that the Council wasn't just feeding a load of BS to Shepard because they couldn't trust him because he disappeared for two years and is involved with Cerberus now.

If Harbinger was able to contact the Collectors, than Soveregn could have been able to contact the Reapers.

Not necessarily. Remember that the rest of the Reapers were in Sleep Mode in dark space. Even if Sovereign did have a quantum entanglement device that was coupled to one of those Reapers, maybe when they're in sleep mode they can only respond to a signal from the Citadel? In fact. many plausible explanations exist, but I don't think it's even necessary for them to mention something this trivial.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 02 novembre 2011 - 06:18 .

[mango smoothie]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

mango smoothie wrote...

To me Mass Effect is very much like how TV show stories go. Mass Effect 1 sets up the main plot for the rest of the series, introduces characters and factions. Mass Effect 2 is like that one season of a TV show that the main season story line isn't the best, but starts a whole bunch of subplots that set up for the next season. Mass Effect 3 will be concluding all these subplots, but in a way that follows the main storyline.

OH MY GOD I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE.

Well your not now, lol.

[Arkitekt]

Gemini1179 wrote...

Skip ahead to Arrival. Turns out, the Reapers only needed TWO YEARS to fly into the galaxy and have full access to the relay network. So what the heck was Soverign wasting all that time for? Why didn't he simply signal his Reaper buddies and be all like: "Yeah, so the Citadel relay isn't going to open, why don't y'all head on in to the Alpha relay and we'll do it the old fashioned way. Otherwise, I gotta like take 20 years to manipulate things into position to even have a chance at opening the Citadel relay again."

Didn't check if anyone here already said the frakkin obvious, but the reaper's plan to go back to the galaxy through the citadel had nothing to do with the time spent travelling through "dark space". If you didn't notice before, the reapers have "all the time in the world" to travel. The main goal Sovereign was trying to accomplish was to get the reapers through the citadel relay so they could decapitate the galaxy's political center, making it far easier for them to roll over the rest of the star systems without any losses.

Without the citadel relay working, they'll have to do it the "hard way", from the Batarian systems till the terminus systems.

They would "win" anyways, that's not the big difference. The big difference is how much sacrifice do the reapers have to endure to "reap" this generation of organics. It's an "annoyance", to quote one of the badasses.

[Abraham_uk]

Does story matter. Yes. Now for the long answer.

Judging a story isn't a simple matter, but if you ask anyone who reads a book, watches a film, or plays a video game, people will talk about it.

Characters and their development, plot mechanics, scope, believability, ease to comprehend and relevance are all important.

Mass Effect and Dragon have great subplots, and characters, but their A plot suffers from being over simplistic. Despite that, story is still a strength of Bioware, but it could do with improvement.

[Arkitekt]

In conclusion, the truth is that the story post-ME1 is a complete mess.

It's a nightmare from the writer's point of view. If it had been written like a movie script, I'm sure we would have ten or a hundred times less things to shout about. After all, it's 80+ hours of material that has to fit together with all the choices the player makes. If it was a flawless story I'd be utterly amazed.

[Whatever42]

Without using the Citadel Mass Relay (as opposed to the relay near the Citadel), those inside would have had time to seal it up. This would have created a siege.

The sneak attack was a good idea. And it would have worked brilliantly if Saren hadn't been so stupid. Heck, it still could have worked, except Sovereign had to conveniently faint and drops its shields. This is as ridiculous as building a moon-sized, planet destroying space station with a self-destruct button on the outside!

So, yes story matters. But it never really did make perfect sense.

[Whatever42]

Arkitekt wrote...

They would "win" anyways, that's not the big difference. The big difference is how much sacrifice do the reapers have to endure to "reap" this generation of organics. It's an "annoyance", to quote one of the badasses.

We also have to recognize that "how" the Reapers win is also important to them. 

They have a cute little cycle of evolution and destruction set up. The surprise attack and shutting down the relay system is important to that plan. Slow invasions spill fleeing organics everywhere. It'd be almost impossible to clean them all up. And if even a few escape... well, we saw what a handful of Prothean scientists did.

Now what happens if a few million hid away in the dark corners of the galaxy?

[Arkitekt]

Yeah thanks for bloody repeating what I said earlier. You never know third eyes may be distracted in the first time...

[Chloe_W1971]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

They would "win" anyways, that's not the big difference. The big difference is how much sacrifice do the reapers have to endure to "reap" this generation of organics. It's an "annoyance", to quote one of the badasses.

We also have to recognize that "how" the Reapers win is also important to them. 

They have a cute little cycle of evolution and destruction set up. The surprise attack and shutting down the relay system is important to that plan. Slow invasions spill fleeing organics everywhere. It'd be almost impossible to clean them all up. And if even a few escape... well, we saw what a handful of Prothean scientists did.

Now what happens if a few million hid away in the dark corners of the galaxy?

Not to mention that the galaxy is huge. Extremely fracking huge. For a few million people to disappear in that incomprehensibly huge amount of space would be ridiculously easy. And everyone apart from Krogan and Asari has a short generation cycle, so a few million, given reasonable living conditions, would explode in numbers over a couple of millennia. Creating messy problems for the reapers to clean up.

[Arkitekt]

IOW, "we" are practically the first (or at least among the few) generation of organics that has screwed the reaper's flawless reaping method due to the protheans big help. This war will be, for that reason alone, completely different from all the other ones. And it will be messy for the reapers as well.

[Cpt-Brit]

I really enjoyed the story yea there are inconsistancies but lighten the fu*k up Mass Effect is a Great game, with Great Charactors and a Good Story...

[Rune-Chan]

I wish I could disagree, I really do. Sadly Bioware either did not think through some of the finer plot points, did not care that the story included plot holes or thought we'd be too stupid to notice it.

That said, I love the setting, the characters and the universe as a whole, so while the plot could do with more work, I still adore the series.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 02 novembre 2011 - 07:10 .

[Candidate 88766]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

We can assume that the only way way Sovereign can communicate with the other Reapers is through the Citadel.

I don't think so, The reapers communicate plenty with Grayson in the books and Harbinger communicates freely with the collectors and even Shepard...in fact i think that object Rho was some kind of signal booster that allowed communication and this is why it was sending out pulses the nearer the reapers were.

perhaps they have scattered several objects like Rho around the galaxy to help communication.. though this is just a theory.

But by this time the Reapers are awake, and are getting closer to the galaxy with every moment. Perhaps waking them from hibernation requires sending a particularly strong signal, only possible from the Citadel.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

We can assume that the only way way Sovereign can communicate with the other Reapers is through the Citadel.

I don't think so, The reapers communicate plenty with Grayson in the books and Harbinger communicates freely with the collectors and even Shepard...in fact i think that object Rho was some kind of signal booster that allowed communication and this is why it was sending out pulses the nearer the reapers were.

perhaps they have scattered several objects like Rho around the galaxy to help communication.. though this is just a theory.

But by this time the Reapers are awake, and are getting closer to the galaxy with every moment. Perhaps waking them from hibernation requires sending a particularly strong signal, only possible from the Citadel.

Sorry but you have absolutely nothing to base that assumption on.