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[clopin]

Let me get this straight, a guy who is debatably one of the best game producers in the industry praises the depth of Mass Effects shooter/RPG mechanics, praises the new depth of the combat, and then people proceed to use this as their proof that ME3 will fail?

That's like finding an occupied city on Mars and using that as evidence that there is no life outside our planet.

[Ricinator]

Edit: Post removed. No swearing here.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 02 novembre 2011 - 10:20 .

[clopin]

Cliffy B said...
The gameplay is tight, the shooting is better than ever in the series...

So does shooting and gameplay no longer count as combat?

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 02 novembre 2011 - 10:21 .

[Ricinator]

clopin wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

clopin wrote...

Let me get this straight, a guy who is debatably one of the best game producers in the industry praises the depth of Mass Effects shooter/RPG mechanics, praises the new depth of the combat, and then people proceed to use this as their proof that ME3 will fail?

That's like finding an occupied city on Mars and using that as evidence that there is no life outside our planet.

he didnt say shet about the combat......................

Cliffy B said...
The gameplay is tight, the shooting is better than ever in the series...

So does shooting and gameplay no longer count as combat?

seems really general to even take that as anything. could be just being polite when gears is a better combat experience than ME series......

Modifié par Ricinator, 02 novembre 2011 - 10:23 .

[Ricinator]

meh double post

Modifié par Ricinator, 02 novembre 2011 - 10:23 .

[Thompson family]

Ricinator wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Forget who he is, other than a successful and very talented game designer and competitor.

Listen to what he SAYS in less than one minute:

"The Mass Effect Demo is beautiful."

"It's one of the more deep shooter/RPG games I have played."

"I think Commander Shepard is one of the best iconic characters in video game history."

Statements like that go in one ear and out the other on here. People only hear they want to in order to fuel some kind of argument.

didnt hear hear a word about how great the combat is................................

I've come to a definite conclusion about combat.

What if ME3 is nothing but a run-and-gun shooter?

Good.

The Reapers, through their proxies, committed massacre on Eden Prime. They forced my Shep to leave Ashley Williams to her death on Virmire. Shep’s been forced to slay thousands by his own hand, with thousands more through the actions he’s led. He’s a monster to the whole Batarian species and considered a traitor by some at home.

Reaper actions forced my Shep to kill the indoctrinated mother of his lover before her very eyes. Now they want to kill Liara too, and everyone else.

He’s seen the Prothean visions. He knows what they were. He’s seen what the Reapers turned them into.

The Reapers’ minions killed him. He’s only here because he cheated death. They melted thousands of human beings, including one who died pleading with a helpless Shep to save her. My Shep still has nightmares about that.

The man my Shep was is gone. He’s become something of an angel — a steely-eyed bringer of God’s justice upon the wicked. He was always ready to kill. We was always able to kill. Now he wants to kill.

If Balak the terrorist showed up with a workable plan to kill a Reaper by slamming an asteroid into it, my Shep would gladly work with him.

If dying would rid the galaxy of the Reapers, he’d go for good this time.

You people only talk about role-playing. I'm there. I'm not playing any more. This stopped being a voyage of self-discovery or the weaving of an heroic tale a long time ago for Cmdr. Frank Shepard, the Earth-born orphan who only joined the service to get out of the hole he was in. This can only end with either the death of every Reaper or of all space-faring intelligent life in the galaxy.

There is killing to be done. My Shepard's ready.

[clopin]

Ricinator wrote...

clopin wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

clopin wrote...

Let me get this straight, a guy who is debatably one of the best game producers in the industry praises the depth of Mass Effects shooter/RPG mechanics, praises the new depth of the combat, and then people proceed to use this as their proof that ME3 will fail?

That's like finding an occupied city on Mars and using that as evidence that there is no life outside our planet.

he didnt say shet about the combat......................

Cliffy B said...
The gameplay is tight, the shooting is better than ever in the series...

So does shooting and gameplay no longer count as combat?

seems really general to even take that as anything. could be just being polite when gears is a better combat experience than ME......

*Facepalm*

So, yes, according to you shooting at people is no longer combat. How have I been blind all these years to a fact such as this?

[Ricinator]

if i wanted 90%combat based game i'd go play Gears 3, If i wanted to play an awesome RPG which gave you choice i'd play ME1, and If i wanted to play a fail gears clone with an illusion of choice i'd play ME2/ME3.

[Leaser Resael]

Seriously people, are you blind? The things they showed are: Combat, Grenades, Explosions, Magic Blades, Multiplayer, Kinect and more Explosions.
You say that if they tried to show more of the RPG side of the game, they would be required to show spoilers. Are you really telling me that in the entire game there isn't any single side-mision that they can show that doesn't contain spoilers? The only "RPG" systems they showed are WEAPONS customization (combat related), ARMOR customization (combat related, and they only told about it) and Skills (combat related again). What about exploration? What about side-misions? (Those can be related to the main quest) What about conversations, imported saves, etc? Everything showed is combat related. And I'm sure that in the next Bioware Pulse episode that is supposed to show the RPG side of ME3, they will only show weapons, skills and maybe armor customization, and nothing else.
Now, a GoW developer talks about ME3 (GoW is a shooter. I don't have ANY problem with him and/or his games) but how can he say that ME3 is a good Shooter/RPG when he only played the same old demo we all saw by now?
The main problem is how Bioware is marketing ME3, not GoW.

And just look at the 2 most rated comments on the video the OP posted.

Modifié par Leaser Resael, 02 novembre 2011 - 10:32 .

[clopin]

Ricinator wrote...

if i wanted 90%combat based game i'd go play Gears 3, If i wanted to play an awesome RPG which gave you choice i'd play ME1, and If i wanted to play a fail gears clone with an illusion of choice i'd play ME2/ME3.

So... What are you trying to argue with me about now? And how do we know that ME3 only has the illusion of choice when the game isn't out for another six months?

Assumptions are bloody awesome.

[Ricinator]

clopin wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

if i wanted 90%combat based game i'd go play Gears 3, If i wanted to play an awesome RPG which gave you choice i'd play ME1, and If i wanted to play a fail gears clone with an illusion of choice i'd play ME2/ME3.

So... What are you trying to argue with me about now? And how do we know that ME3 only has the illusion of choice when the game isn't out for another six months?

Assumptions are bloody awesome.

i can guess from what EAware's past looks like....DA2 and Arrival/ME2

[hotdogbsg]

Ricinator wrote...

if i wanted 90%combat based game i'd go play Gears 3, If i wanted to play an awesome RPG which gave you choice i'd play ME1, and If i wanted to play a fail gears clone with an illusion of choice i'd play ME2/ME3.

Luckily you know the new game will be nothing more than a failed clone and won't have to waste your money on it.

[Sgt Stryker]

If ME2 only had "illusion of choice", then so did ME1.

[Ricinator]

hotdogbsg wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

if i wanted 90%combat based game i'd go play Gears 3, If i wanted to play an awesome RPG which gave you choice i'd play ME1, and If i wanted to play a fail gears clone with an illusion of choice i'd play ME2/ME3.

Luckily you know the new game will be nothing more than a failed clone and won't have to waste your money on it.

i wasn't planning on it till i see a good amount of reviews anyway... canceled my pre-order days ago

Modifié par Ricinator, 02 novembre 2011 - 10:34 .

[Ricinator]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

If ME2 only had "illusion of choice", then so did ME1.

That only holds true because ME2 failed...

[The Elder King]

Ricinator wrote...

if i wanted 90%combat based game i'd go play Gears 3, If i wanted to play an awesome action/RPG which gave you choice i'd play ME1, and If i wanted to play a fail gears clone with an illusion of choice i'd play ME2/ME3.

Fixed. Whatever are your opinions about ME and ME2 and which of those two is better, ME was never meant to be a pure RPG. It was always labeled as an action/RPG.

[Chris Priestly]

Ok, getting kind of fed up with this.

If you think Cliff Bleszinski is a talented developer and his opinion is cool, great. I think so too and I hope you like seeing what he said.

If you think CB is not a talented developer and/or his opinion is not good, then move on till the opinion of someone you care about comes along.

If you think CB is a talented devleoper but he was bought off to say such things, you are deluded and do not know CB's reputation.

If you think the whole this is cool, good.

If you think the whole thing is lies, well, I'm sorry you do. Move on now until you hear something you like.

[Candidate 88766]

Ricinator wrote...

hotdogbsg wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

if i wanted 90%combat based game i'd go play Gears 3, If i wanted to play an awesome RPG which gave you choice i'd play ME1, and If i wanted to play a fail gears clone with an illusion of choice i'd play ME2/ME3.

Luckily you know the new game will be nothing more than a failed clone and won't have to waste your money on it.

i wasn't planning on it till i see a good amount of reviews anyway... canceled my pre-order days ago

Why do you spend time on a forum devoted entirely to a game you've already decided you don't like. I mean, you must have something better to do with your time, surely...

[aridor1570]

Leaser Resael wrote...

Seriously people, are you blind? The things they showed are: Combat, Grenades, Explosions, Magic Blades, Multiplayer, Kinect and more Explosions.
You say that if they tried to show more of the RPG side of the game, they would be required to show spoilers. Are you really telling me that in the entire game there isn't any single side-mision that they can show that doesn't contain spoilers? The only "RPG" systems they showed are WEAPONS customization (combat related), ARMOR customization (combat related, and they only told about it) and Skills (combat related again). What about exploration? What about side-misions? (Those can be related to the main quest) What about conversations, imported saves, etc? Everything showed is combat related. And I'm sure that in the next Bioware Pulse episode that is supposed to show the RPG side of ME3, they will only show weapons, skills and maybe armor customization, and nothing else.
Now, a GoW developer talks about ME3 (GoW is a shooter. I don't have ANY problem with him and/or his games) but how can he say that ME3 is a good Shooter/RPG when he only played the same old demo we all saw by now?
The main problem is how Bioware is marketing ME3, not GoW.

And just look at the 2 most rated comments on the video the OP posted.

All opf these bolded words were in ME2 and are confirmed for ME3, sure you might not count the ME2 way of exploring the usual RPG way, but it's still there and you can't deny it, no matter what you say.

And as Chris said himself, more things will be shown between now and release, teh game is 5 months away and now isn't the time to show the game off, if you bothered reading that you might not have even posted that.

[aridor1570]

Ricinator wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

If ME2 only had "illusion of choice", then so did ME1.

That only holds true because ME2 failed...

Tell me, what choice in the game showed any great impact upon it except for saving the council, which in itself didn't change much until the second game, I dare you to tell me one choice that could've changed the outcome of ME1.

[SNascimento]

Oh, this whine from people that doesn't know how to shoot things in a game never gets old.

[upsettingshorts]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Ok, getting kind of fed up with this.

If you think Cliff Bleszinski is a talented developer and his opinion is cool, great. I think so too and I hope you like seeing what he said.

If you think CB is not a talented developer and/or his opinion is not good, then move on till the opinion of someone you care about comes along.

If you think CB is a talented devleoper but he was bought off to say such things, you are deluded and do not know CB's reputation.

If you think the whole this is cool, good.

If you think the whole thing is lies, well, I'm sorry you do. Move on now until you hear something you like.

What if some mad scientists have imprisoned me against my will on a space station and forced me to watch bad marketing? 

Would you deny me my only coping mechanism?  I'm the one trapped up here.

[tomorrowstation]

Ricinator wrote...

hotdogbsg wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

if i wanted 90%combat based game i'd go play Gears 3, If i wanted to play an awesome RPG which gave you choice i'd play ME1, and If i wanted to play a fail gears clone with an illusion of choice i'd play ME2/ME3.

Luckily you know the new game will be nothing more than a failed clone and won't have to waste your money on it.

i wasn't planning on it till i see a good amount of reviews anyway... canceled my pre-order days ago

Excellent. One less person in front of me at the check out. Way to take one for the team pal, Thanks!

[Candidate 88766]

Ricinator wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

If ME2 only had "illusion of choice", then so did ME1.

That only holds true because ME2 failed...

In what possible capacity did it fail? It was commercially successful, and its critical reception was stratospheric. You cannot possibly deem that a failure - you can say you don't like it, and thats fine, its your opinion and you're entitled to it - but saying it failed is wrong. Entirely wrong.