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[Thargorichiban]

It seems that one of the biggest threats Shepard is going to have to deal with in ME3 are allies becoming enemies though indoctrination. It is quite likely if we make some mistakes (even if we don't) we are going to have to deal with some friends becoming willing enemies.

On the "ancillary" crew side of things I believe that Admiral Anderson will likely be indoctrinated by the time you meet up with him after the trial. He chooses to stay on Earth which happens to have dozens if not hundreds of Reapers walking around. Indoctrination can and will be used on people stuck there.

On his own personal crew I think Legion could easily be brought to the Reaper's side. We already know that the Reapers have developed viruses that can rewrite Geth code into worshipping them. All they have to do is deliver it to him somehow and he's going to be a liability.

Any other thoughts on the matter?

[Ofcoursenot]

The Anderson thing is actually something we might end up seeing, I think. Seems like the perfect basis for an emotional moment in which Shepard realizes he'll have to put down his mentor.

[DiebytheSword]

The least stable members, IMO, would be the easiest. Jack might go either way, Miranda and Tali are both insecure enough to get taken easier, Kaidan might be easy to break because he's always in pain. I think Grunt could be broken with enough promises of violence. Realistically though, anyone is game, they just need to be near reaper tech often enough.

[LegionMan]

Ofcoursenot wrote...

The Anderson thing is actually something we might end up seeing, I think. Seems like the perfect basis for an emotional moment in which Shepard realizes he'll have to put down his mentor.

As if his being a temporary squaddie isn't telegraphing such an event months before the game comes out.  Please, Bioware, subvert your trope of killing the game-starting Guest Star Party Member!!!

[Ofcoursenot]

DiebytheSword wrote...

The least stable members, IMO, would be the easiest. Jack might go either way, Miranda and Tali are both insecure enough to get taken easier, Kaidan might be easy to break because he's always in pain. I think Grunt could be broken with enough promises of violence. Realistically though, anyone is game, they just need to be near reaper tech often enough.

I'd rule out the ME1 squadmates. They all came in fairly close proximity to Sovereign, and are unbroken. You have a point there, with Grunt, but I doubt ME2 squaddies can be indoctrinated either,since they may or may not have died.

Modifié par Ofcoursenot, 02 novembre 2011 - 10:00 .

[Ofcoursenot]

LegionMan wrote...

Ofcoursenot wrote...

The Anderson thing is actually something we might end up seeing, I think. Seems like the perfect basis for an emotional moment in which Shepard realizes he'll have to put down his mentor.

As if his being a temporary squaddie isn't telegraphing such an event months before the game comes out.  Please, Bioware, subvert your trope of killing the game-starting Guest Star Party Member!!!

Pfft, Jenkins doesn't even count as a Squadmember. He died within a minute of landing on Eden Prime.

[onelifecrisis]

[SandTrout]

Chakwas. She was exposed to a Reaper while sedated for however long it took between the kidnapping of your crew and the SM.

[Ofcoursenot]

SandTrout wrote...

Chakwas. She was exposed to a Reaper while sedated for however long it took between the kidnapping of your crew and the SM.

I thought indoctrination linked servants to one reaper at a time, not the whole fleet?

[Ofcoursenot]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...
Maybe even Kelly..

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!

*puts on angry fanboy face*

Don't you ever try to take Kelly from me. She and Jacob are like the only crewmembers without serious issues, mental or otherwise.

[Someone With Mass]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I don't see a squadmate getting indoctrinated as anything but horrible writing.

I won't see it as bad writing if there are some indoctrinated folks around, but the squadmates who specifically haven't been near indoctrination devices long enough to feel the effects? That'd be pretty lame.

[LegionMan]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

I dont think Kaidan or Ashley would ever be indoctrinated, they both very strong willed and are too focused on the mission for that to happen. Anderson is possible, wouldn't be surprised at all. Maybe even Kelly..

Oh great, what if our rescued crew were turned into sleeper agents?  If Kelly's post-rescue freakout was hinting at such...

[Inutaisho7996]

DiebytheSword wrote...

The least stable members, IMO, would be the easiest. Jack might go either way, Miranda and Tali are both insecure enough to get taken easier, Kaidan might be easy to break because he's always in pain. I think Grunt could be broken with enough promises of violence. Realistically though, anyone is game, they just need to be near reaper tech often enough.

I think Jack is too strong willed to be indoctinated easily. She's not the type to let people (or machines) control her without a fight.

[Someone With Mass]

Ofcoursenot wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...
Maybe even Kelly..

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!

*puts on angry fanboy face*

Don't you ever try to take Kelly from me. She and Jacob are like the only crewmembers without serious issues, mental or otherwise.

You mean besides Jacob volunteering for what he thought was a suicide job?

[DiebytheSword]

Ofcoursenot wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

The least stable members, IMO, would be the easiest. Jack might go either way, Miranda and Tali are both insecure enough to get taken easier, Kaidan might be easy to break because he's always in pain. I think Grunt could be broken with enough promises of violence. Realistically though, anyone is game, they just need to be near reaper tech often enough.

I'd rule out the ME1 squadmates. They all came in fairly close proximity to Sovereign, and are unbroken. You have a point there, with Grunt, but I doubt ME2 squaddies can be indoctrinated either,since they may or may not have died.

Its all probability though, and to be honest, it depends on what they have been trying to accomplish in ME3 during the gap.  If they have been near reaper tech in the meantime, it measn bad things.  If they are trapped near a reaper base, or onboard a reaper, it doesn't matter how strong they are, they will crack.

[DiebytheSword]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

The least stable members, IMO, would be the easiest. Jack might go either way, Miranda and Tali are both insecure enough to get taken easier, Kaidan might be easy to break because he's always in pain. I think Grunt could be broken with enough promises of violence. Realistically though, anyone is game, they just need to be near reaper tech often enough.

I think Jack is too strong willed to be indoctinated easily. She's not the type to let people (or machines) control her without a fight.

But she is also insecure and weak, she says so herself on the loyalty mission, and lets the hardass fall during a Shep romance.  That's why I say it can go either way, sometimes hardasses are that because they are weak when unguarded.  Indoctrination seems to be something that cuts through artificial barriers like a facade personality.

[Someone With Mass]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

I think Jack is too strong willed to be indoctinated easily. She's not the type to let people (or machines) control her without a fight.

It's quite the opposite, really. She suffers from severe mental degeneration, thanks to all the Cerberus experiments.

[Ofcoursenot]

LegionMan wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

I dont think Kaidan or Ashley would ever be indoctrinated, they both very strong willed and are too focused on the mission for that to happen. Anderson is possible, wouldn't be surprised at all. Maybe even Kelly..

Oh great, what if our rescued crew were turned into sleeper agents?  If Kelly's post-rescue freakout was hinting at such...

I think that was just to show that they (the crew) went through horrible experiences, so wretched that even the person in charge of mental examinations was shaken.

Plus, the HR was incomplete, and is now dead. Any indocctrination should've worn off and even if it's still there, it's no issue since I believe indoctrination is a Reaper to Slave process, and that the servants serve only one reaper.

[SandTrout]

Ofcoursenot wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Chakwas. She was exposed to a Reaper while sedated for however long it took between the kidnapping of your crew and the SM.

I thought indoctrination linked servants to one reaper at a time, not the whole fleet?

It has not been implied (to my knowledge) one way or another. It has also been described as irreversable once it sets in fully, so I don't see why one Reaper couldn't hyjack the work of another (dead) Reaper.

[DiebytheSword]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I don't see a squadmate getting indoctrinated as anything but horrible writing.

I won't see it as bad writing if there are some indoctrinated folks around, but the squadmates who specifically haven't been near indoctrination devices long enough to feel the effects? That'd be pretty lame.

Well, yeah, that's what I was trying to say. Imagine if Garrus suddenly tried to kill you because "indoctrination lol". It'd be incredibly stupid.

It could be done, but it would have to be very well written and foreshadowed.