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[LilyasAvalon]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

LupineVolt wrote...

Ashley and Kaiden. If only because I'm suspicious over their curious inabillity to be abducted while standing in the middle of the lane and frozen in stasi roughly twenty yards next to a woman who was abducted.

I sense I've missed some good ME3 news, explain?

You haven't missed anything; he's referring to Horizon.

That's not abduction, more like unwilling mind rape in my opinion. I thought you meant the whole 'Beam me up, Scottie' type of abduction. We haven't gotten enough news about our companions so far... *Sad*

[Laser Jim]

My guess would be Shepard, since he's been upgraded with reaper tech. That would be terrible cliche, though, so I'm hoping it doesn't come to that.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Liara is too strong. Her mother thought she could help keep Saren from going off the cliff. Liara knows probably more about the Reapers and their dangers than any one else in the crew besides Shepard, and she's paranoid. So I'd rule her out. Garrus? No.

Grunt? No, and why? Because while the Reapers could promise him a lot of battle, they'd turn him into a traitor, and that is something he wouldn't do. He'd rather have the glory of being a big guddamn hero, and defeating the biggest threat to the galaxy in 50,000 yrs. Not siding with the biggest threat. Where's the battle glory in that?

So who then? Anderson is a likely candidate. In fact, anyone picked up on earth after the Reapers occupy earth is a candidate.

Vega we don't know him. He could be expendable.

BW: Use the Star Trek standard. Put the indoctrinated person in red for us.

[LilyasAvalon]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
BW: Use the Star Trek standard. Put the indoctrinated person in red for us.

Oh Star Trek, where would the geek community be without you?

No, but seriously, I support this idea. BRIGHT RED ARMOUR.

[Obadiah]

There are a lot of great stories that could come out of Shep or squaddies being indoctrinated. I hope the writers add this, but my guess is it is too much work to do "right", and it would alienate way too many players.

[InHarmsWay]

I would say no one on Shepard's crew will be indoctrinated. It's possible for some of your crew members to never come into direct contact with reaper technology. The idea that Tali was never near any dragon's teeth or the derelict reaper or the collector ship, and then suddenly she's indoctrinated is completely ridiculous. Also I don't think the colonists or even the VS would be indoctrinated as it would serve no purpose. Why indoctrinate people who are just going to be grounded up and forged into a reaper which itself will be a source of indoctrination.

If anyone would be indoctrinated, it would be Shepard as he has come into more contact with reaper tech than any of his crew combined, but even that doesn't make sense. The longest he spends with reaper technology is the derelict reaper roughly 30 minutes. You can tell by Saren, the derelict reaper Cerberus crew and "The Project" team, that it took days upon days (even weeks) of constant direct exposure to reaper technology to become fully indoctrinated.

My guess is that indoctrination's involvement in the story deals with Cerberus' troops and the occasion reaper spy (as mention by Mordin in the Sur'Kesh mission). I'm guessing that the Illusive Man is resistant, or even immune, to indoctrination and is working towards turning reaper technology against them. He's allowing his soldiers to be indoctrinated as he plans to get them back once his secret method works. So I'm guessing the expanded storyline involving indoctrination will be about the Illusive Man.

I don't like Cerberus, but I think this is what is implied when the whole "Cerberus is working with the reapers" story point goes further than "they're all indoctrinated".

ps. I don't like Cerberus. I'm just putting out a theory to suggest a motivation on why they are working for the reapers.

[Another_Golden_Dragon]

I thought Kaidan was waving a Pistol/SMG and not an Assault Rifle when paralyzed. Ashley has never escaped Virmire, sometimes not even meeting Liara....

While the most likely possible candidate, Anderson (Does he get promoted if he was turned into Councilor?), the REapers are at Earth to DESTROY. When 90%+ of Humanity is destroyed (revenge over Namara/Soveriegn), maybe they might indoctrinate a few, but at the start? Doubtful.

[LilyasAvalon]

InHarmsWay wrote...
My guess is that indoctrination's involvement in the story deals with Cerberus' troops and the occasion reaper spy (as mention by Mordin in the Sur'Kesh mission). I'm guessing that the Illusive Man is resistant, or even immune, to indoctrination and is working towards turning reaper technology against them. He's allowing his soldiers to be indoctrinated as he plans to get them back once his secret method works. So I'm guessing the expanded storyline involving indoctrination will be about the Illusive Man.

I'm taking it you haven't read the comics or the books yet, have you? Your theory DOES make sense though when combined with Mass Effect Evolution in my opinion. However, the books seem to contradict this from what I've been told (I haven't read this yet).

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 02 novembre 2011 - 11:53 .

[seirhart]

Here is my list of people who I think could resist or not be affected by indoctrination

1.) Garrus - you can change him through Renegade/Paragon and even then he is in my opinion far to loyal to shepard and follows shepard around like a lost puppy

2..) Liara - If anything will change her it will be Shepard or the power of being the shadow broker.

3.) Wrex/Grunt - Wrex if he survived virmire is loyal to shepard. I don't think grunt will turn since he enjoys the battles shepard sends his way.

[InHarmsWay]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...
My guess is that indoctrination's involvement in the story deals with Cerberus' troops and the occasion reaper spy (as mention by Mordin in the Sur'Kesh mission). I'm guessing that the Illusive Man is resistant, or even immune, to indoctrination and is working towards turning reaper technology against them. He's allowing his soldiers to be indoctrinated as he plans to get them back once his secret method works. So I'm guessing the expanded storyline involving indoctrination will be about the Illusive Man.

I'm taking it you haven't read the comics or the books yet, have you? Your theory DOES make sense though when combined with Mass Effect Evolution in my opinion. However, the books seem to contradict this from what I've been told (I haven't read this yet).

I have read the novels and comics and understand the process of indoctrination. I'm just saying he might have a resistance to it. We saw in Evolution that he was partially huskified, yet doesn't seem to show many symptoms of "long-term" indoctrination.

[Chrismm]

seirhart wrote...

Here is my list of people who I think could resist or not be affected by indoctrination

1.) Garrus - you can change him through Renegade/Paragon and even then he is in my opinion far to loyal to shepard and follows shepard around like a lost puppy

2..) Liara - If anything will change her it will be Shepard or the power of being the shadow broker.

3.) Wrex/Grunt - Wrex if he survived virmire is loyal to shepard. I don't think grunt will turn since he enjoys the battles shepard sends his way.

Im sorry but why do poeple talk about indocrination like the reapers are bribing people with offers? thats not how it works. They change how you think and make you susceptable to their suggestions. For example and indoctrinated Garrus would be told shooting shepard would be a good idea and help their mission and he would believe it. Theres no "We will give you battles beyond your wildest imaginings if you join us" 

[Kileyan]

Chrismm wrote...

Im sorry but why do poeple talk about indocrination like the reapers are bribing people with offers? thats not how it works. They change how you think and make you susceptable to their suggestions. For example and indoctrinated Garrus would be told shooting shepard would be a good idea and help their mission and he would believe it. Theres no "We will give you battles beyond your wildest imaginings if you join us" 

Yeh if they take over TIM or any squadmate, the won't be following the Reapers because the was promised that humanity would survive or Quarians will get a new home, they won't be making any sly deals. According to the books, indoctrination is like being inside your own body, watching it do things while you sit in a corner and watch. That is, until you lose youself completely. Pretty much similar to popular fictions ideas of being possessed. There is no consent, the reapers just take what they want or destroy you.

Anyways why isn't Legion being mentioned? The Reapers write virus and computer programs on the fly that are beyond anyones understanding. It takes them time to introduce technological pathways into organic beings, by which they influence and control them. The Geth are already perfect vessels for their control mechanisms. The first to go is mechano boy.

[darthnick427]

Anderson is most likely. Bioware likes to kill off mentors a lot. So I'm expecting it. especially with him staying on Earth.

I don't think they'll indoctrinate a squad mate though. Imagine the fan rage! O_O

[Homey C-Dawg]

Anderson husk sounds intriguing.

[racer700]

for some reason, i can imagine you have to fight Anderson (who is indoctrinated) at the end, beating him might mean you defeat the reapers.

Modifié par racer700, 03 novembre 2011 - 09:21 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I don't see a squadmate getting indoctrinated as anything but horrible writing.

And squadmates bei magicly immune to indoctrination is NOT horrible writing?

Your (lakc of) logic confounds me....

[TobyHasEyes]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I don't see a squadmate getting indoctrinated as anything but horrible writing.

And squadmates bei magicly immune to indoctrination is NOT horrible writing?

Your (lakc of) logic confounds me....

 His lakc of logic is worrying 

[Cpt-Brit]

I think a crew member getting Indoctrinated WOULD be terrible writing. I mean everyone of your crew knows about indoctrination and they wouldn't be stupid enough to use a Reaper Artifact as some sort of cuddle toy that they can stroke while whispering "My Precious".

Indoctrination in my understanding can take days or weeks, None of your crew would be so stupid (We can hope).

I'm throwing my lot in with Non-squadmate (In ME1 or ME2) important NPC getting indoctrinated.

Modifié par Cpt-Brit, 03 novembre 2011 - 12:07 .

[MassStorm]

.......space hamster???

[Sethan_1]

Anyone can be indoctrinated (except Legion, who could be infected with a virus that could change him).

If we assume that no one was indoctrinated yet in ME1 (by no means a given), then that narrows it down to anyone Shepard knows who was out of his sight for about a week, either all at once or in small chunks.

[Robhuzz]

SandTrout wrote...

Ofcoursenot wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Chakwas. She was exposed to a Reaper while sedated for however long it took between the kidnapping of your crew and the SM.

I thought indoctrination linked servants to one reaper at a time, not the whole fleet?

It has not been implied (to my knowledge) one way or another. It has also been described as irreversable once it sets in fully, so I don't see why one Reaper couldn't hyjack the work of another (dead) Reaper.

From what I could gather a reaper always automatically starts indoctrinating people around it. The signal a reaper sends first makes a person easier to manipulate, this'll take between a few days to more than a week of constant exposure to their signal, depending on your state of mind. Once that's done, the reaper alters thought patterns, my guess is they change a person's thought patters to match a Reapers, allowing them to 'link up' sort of - Probably means in this state any reaper can control any indoctrinated person, regardless of which Reaper was first - . So unless a person spends a long time near either a reaper or a reaper artifact capable of indoctrinating people, there SHOULD not be any indoctrinated squadmembers.

ETA: Also depends on how long ME3 will span. If ME3 spans several months and one of your squadmembers has been in a warzone for weeks, fighting Reapers and their minions, there's a very good chance they'll already be indoctrinated by the time they get on board.

Andersson + people left on earth is another matter, if they don't end up indoctrinated, then nobody should.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 03 novembre 2011 - 12:20 .

[marstor05]

The main target for indoctrination will be the closest to shep - so that will probably be his LI. I imagine the cutscene where shep sees his nearest and dearest showing their betrayal will be quite emotional.

[bleetman]

marstor05 wrote...

The main target for indoctrination will be the closest to shep - so that will probably be his LI. I imagine the cutscene where shep sees his nearest and dearest showing their betrayal will be quite emotional.

It'll certainly invoke some emotions in me, though I suspect not any intended ones.

That, and slamming my head into my desk in bloody minded frustration.

As far as your rescued crew goes, well. I suppose. But indoctrination's supposed to take, what, days? Weeks? If your Shepard turned up in time to rescue them, they weren't captive for anywhere near that long.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I don't see a squadmate getting indoctrinated as anything but horrible writing.

And squadmates bei magicly immune to indoctrination is NOT horrible writing? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]

Of all the interesting ways to have allies become enemies and turn on each other, mind control is way, way down the list.

Modifié par bleetman, 03 novembre 2011 - 12:29 .

[utdan]

The only squadmate i could see being significantly harder to indoctrinate (usefully) would be Samara.

From ME1 (not read the books) it seems non-husk level indoctrination is only reliable when the subject doesn't believe they are affected by it. Benezia and Saren both briefly, but successfully, fight it after realising they're indoctrinated.

It seems to work by changes the way the subject views and feels about things but Samara's actions aren't affected by how she views or feels about things, she acts based on an external moral code(the code/sheps orders) so to get her to do anything majorly bad the indoctrination would have to be strong enough to get her to abandon the code, which should raise some major alarm bells in her mind and make her more likely to realise whats happening.

Garrus would be the only other henchmen that would possibly be hard to indoctrinate for similar reasons and due to his over reliance on Sheps approval.

Oh right the question was easiest.. erm.. well Tali seems to be the most stubborn when it comes to doing what she thinks is right so i'll go with her.

  

Modifié par whoISthatgirl, 03 novembre 2011 - 01:41 .