Dean_the_Young wrote...
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I'm sorry, you're saying that any cybernetics that give red eyes and a not-completely-natural spine are Reaper tech by default?
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And yes, Saren's skeleton was burning itself to dust. And then Sovereign's tentacle fell on it. And there's no reason or implication to believe anything in Shepard's body was Reaper, as opposed to 'natural' cybernetics, especially when Doctor Chakwas and Miranda (who's loyalty to Shepard is, sadly, self-evident) would both have opportunity and means to tell Shepard.
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Since the start, and in the minds of the Indoctrinated who find them so utterly convincing that they abandon all prior loyalties and ideologies. It may be beyond our (non-indoctrinated) comprehension, but people under the effects of indoctrination do have their ideologies twisted to serve the Reapers.
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Except the player, in ME1 and ME2, is the sole reason the Reaper's plans are failing.
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The Revan revelation worked because people under amnesia can adopt entirely different personas. Indoctrination doesn't work like that: you do like the Reapers, there are tell-tale signs, and Shepard does not fit the profile for an indoctrinated person under any circumstance.
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Because the Reapers don't want to use Shepard and his crew. They want Shepard's body... and that's about it. They're willing to delay the Arrival to keep it intact, but they're willing to destroy Shepard for their other goals, and they're willing to pay large sums of credits for his corpse.
Working backwards, Arrival, the Suicide Mission, Legion, the Collector Cruiser, Eden Prime, and even 'just woke up after Lazarus' have been optimum points at which an indoctrinated Shepard could have given the Reapers exactly what they wanted: him (or her). Instead, Shepard is the sole common instrument in opposing and foiling their plans
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TIM's double-trap on the Collector Cruiser advanced his plans to beat the Collectors, but indoctrinated!Shepard's actions don't advance the Reapers plans. They foil them, repeatededly.
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Not by this, since it's not going to happen. Not all choices can go any way.
1. No. What I am saying is that those (and baby Reaper) are the only examples we've got of that kind of technology and that visual motif in the Mass Effect franchise. If this turns out to be the case, it's an effective use of foreshadowing.
2. Miranda worked for Cerberus, and her
new, never before seen technology used to resurrect Shepard was exclusive to Cerberus. Why would she or Chakwas even know if anything they looked at was Reaper tech? Aside from husk tech or a dead Reaper, that is. For that matter, how does Cerberus even know where Shepard is when the Normandy is destroyed? Because they're already looking. Why do they even make the attempt to bring him back? Shepard, the guy/gal who potentially been going out of his way to dismantle them? Sure he's a 'bloody hero', but there's more to it than that, I bet. Maybe it's because the Reapers see his/her potential as an agent.
3. Their agents don't follow Reaper ideology. The Reapers use the indoctrinateds personal ideologies against them. Saren, for example, still had bias against humans, and had a serious superiority complex. That was twisted into a belief that he and his kind would survive and thrive, at his enemies' expense. The derelict Reaper victims, some of them in particular, believed they had wives they never had, believed there was betrayal against them by their colleagues, etc. There is no single Reaper ideology that any indoctrinated individual displays, just a host of personal flaws the Reapers apply to their indoctrination. If they're actively spouting 'Reapers are inevetible', etc., it's because they've already functionally outlived their usefulness. Saren doesn't even know his ship is a Reaper until well into Mass Effect 1, at which point he's mostly a puppet ready for a last ditch attack on the Citadel, and he rebels enough that he can be talked into attempted suicide.
4. In ME1, Shepard is obviously not indoctrinated. But he spoiled Soveriegn's 50,000 year old operation. That caught their attention, and it led to both their intentional destruction of the Normandy (by their Prothean Collector slaves) and their collection of his body, which if you've read the Liara comic you know the Collectors were involved in right alongside Cerberus. Liara was left with what she believed to be the lesser of two evils and the prospect of bringing Shepard back. But Cerberus is largely indoctrinated, we know for sure now. That didn't happen over night. So why would the Reapers want to bring Shepard back, if not to use him/her?
5. The only actual profile of indoctrination is unwitting performance of activities that benefit the Reapers, as they mostly attempt to keep their indoctrination unknown until it's too late and they decide to "assume direct control". In ME2, there are numerous ways you can help the Reapers' cause, unknowingly or not.
6. In ME2, the Reapers already have what they want. It's a case of attempting to control an unwilling agent without revealing their hand, and Cerberus is the initial, blunt instrument to do that. Why else would they want Shepard's body? Because he or she's an exceptional human specimen? It takes tens of thousands of humans just to build one human Reaper. They have an investment in their agent. You the player can overcome their indoctrination, represented in the game's choices, or you can succumb. I bet you that's what it's going to boil down to. Then, once revealed, you'll have the chance to knowingly resist. I bet. :-)
7. The only way you're guaranteed to spoil the Reapers' plans in ME2 is in destroying the baby Reaper. At every other stage, there are repeatedly choices that can benefit the Reapers. Obviously, Shepard isn't fully indoctrinated, certainly not yet, unless of course the player's decisions result in that conclusion.
8. We'll see. ;-)
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