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[CptBomBom00]

I think there will not be London in the game it self because it was just a trailer, I bet if the last mission is to be on Earth it will happen in the city that Shep left in the beginning.

[111987]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

I think there will not be London in the game it self because it was just a trailer, I bet if the last mission is to be on Earth it will happen in the city that Shep left in the beginning.

Agreed. I was just using it as an example.

[CptBomBom00]

So, the Alliance will be made to sacrifice one city or a whole country, just to kill few Reapers?
Wow this reminds me of Halo.

[111987]

Mr.X.Pen wrote...

The Reapers are more likely to be more "cleaner" this time to make sure that all pockets of resistance are wiped out meaning they'll still be in areas which have been allready destroyed. This will give them the chance to use a nuke if they so chose to.
I still don't get the reason why they aren't equiping their dreadnoughs with nukes since (due to your points) they can kill a Reaper with a single shot.

Because nukes have been 'outlawed from use' due to their severe harmful effects on the environment. Against the Reapers though, those rules go out the window.

[ObserverStatus]

yeah, that one giant gun that accidentally shot Klendathu might be able to damage a reaper.

[CptBomBom00]

We will need something more power full than that canon.

[CptBomBom00]

 

WE need to consutle these guys^^^.

[hellcat420]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

 

WE need to consutle these guys^^^.

Dont cross the streams!!!!

[chaosomegas]

here a list things we cant use on garden worlds. The Conventions regulate the use of Weapons of Mass Destruction. A WMD causes environmental alteration to a world. A bomb that produces a large crater is not considered a WMD; a bomb that causes a "nuclear winter" is. Use of WMD is forbidden on "garden" worlds like Earth, with ecospheres that can readily support a population. If a habitable world is destroyed, it will not be replaced for millions of years. The Conventions do not forbid the use of WMD on hostile worlds or in sealed space-station environments. Many militaries continue to develop and maintain stockpiles. The Conventions graded Weapons of Mass Destruction into tiers of concern. Tier I is the greatest threat to galactic peace. TIER I: Large kinetic impacters, such as asteroid drops or de-orbited space stations. Effectively free and available in any system (in the form of debris left over from planetary accretion), kinetic impacters are the weapons of choice for terrorists and "third galaxy" nations. TIER II: Uncontrolled self-replicating weapons, such as nanotechnology, viral or bacteriological organisms, "Von Neumann devices", and destructive computer viruses. These weapons can lie dormant for millennia, waiting for a careless visitor to carry them on to another world. TIER III: Large energy-burst weapons such as nuclear or antimatter warheads. TIER IV: Alien species deliberately introduced to crowd out native forms necessary for the health of an ecosystem. Ecological tampering can take years to bear fruit, making it difficult to prove.
edit : so i read it looks we more things we throw at reapers

Modifié par chaosomegas, 03 novembre 2011 - 08:40 .

[CptBomBom00]

What if we always could wine poker with them?

Seriously, We will see when we get the hard copies into our hungry hands.

[Anacronian Stryx]

111987 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

111987 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

111987 wrote...

Not even close. Dreadnaught fire is in the kiloton range (appox 36-40 for most dreadnaughts).

During the Cold War, there were many nukes in the megaton range (1 megaton=1000 kilotons). The largest was 50 megatons.

All that power isn't channeled to one spot, though.

Of course, but still it should be more than enough to kill a Reaper. After all kinetic barriers don't protect against heat or radiation. And if Reaper shields can be brought down by sustained fire from kiloton range weapons, a single megaton-yield nuke should do the trick.

You will have to get a nuke literary inside the reaper in order for it to do any damage, I space a fission bomb will go of in a spherical detonation meaning that any target near(and it will have to be very near) will only get hit by a mere fraction of the potential power - in fact unless the nuke is inside the reaper  the potential hit will be by orders of magnitude smaller than a hit from a dreadnoughts main gun.

This is the primary reason that most sci-fi and even most sci-adventures uses directed energy weapons (kinetic or other types).

The nuke would definitely would have to be close to the Reaper. But the heat from the blast would likely fry the Reaper's electronics and hull. The nuke in space wouldn't be useful for it's kinetic energy, but its heat and radiation.

Contrary to popular belief radiation is quite easy to protect against you just need a layer of dense material (dense enough and even the most volatile gamma radiation cant penetrate it) - Heat on the other hand will dissipate almost immediately from a space born fission blast, Since the nuclear blast has no oxygen molecules to excite like here on earth.
 
You would have to move the bomb within 5-10 kilometres of the reaper in order to have any hope of it doing any damage though even at that range it's unlikely and considering that the reapers can move at  millions of kilometres per second if they want to - it would also be tactical unlikely to happen.

[capn233]

I hope the "nukes can kill reapers" bit is not incorporated into the game. It would be sad if they could in fact be defeated by 20th Cent weapons.

You would have to wonder why nobody seems to use them against other ships if they were remotely useful against the radiation shielding they employ. As stated by posters above, nukes are much more impressive in an atmosphere than in a vacuum. In a vacuum there is no blast wave (which is a main destructive mechanism) and there is in fact no thermal effect. All you get is a radiation burst. Granted, that radiation can heat things. If you are close enough you might burn through the armor. But unless you have magical "vacuum enhanced" nuke like from the illogical land of Halo, it might not be worth using. Enhanced Radiation weapons might actually work out to kill crews if you can overwhelm their radiation protection.

Yes we have built megaton weapons, but there has been no evidence to suggest that megaton weapons defeat reapers. The only thing that one-shotted a reaper put a huge crater in a planet after it did so. That is more than megaton energy.

Modifié par capn233, 04 novembre 2011 - 12:31 .

[Blacklash93]

111987 wrote...

Very true. Something I thought was interesting was in the Earth demo, we see a Reaper fire on a cruiser with it's Thanix Cannon..and the cruiser actually survives. Sure it only took one more hit to be destroyed, but that certainly allowed ships to do more damage to the Reapers thanks to the stronger shielding.

I'm not so sure the Reaper was firing with its Thanix Cannon. Rather a secondary weapon.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 04 novembre 2011 - 12:30 .

[Ofcoursenot]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Well after the battle of citadel council species has reverse engineered sovereigns main gun. It's thanix cannon now. Also cerberus (traitors) recovered gun responsible for obliterating reaper 37 millions years ago (game) and heavily scratching klendagon. Somehow I believe that Shepard will lead an attack on cerberus base to recover that weapon. Another nice suprise would be protheans coming to help. Ilos survived reaper cycle, although less important protheans were killed in stasis pods. According to Shadow Broker DLC, Protheans might be waiting for the right moment. After all they had a little bit more than 50 000 years to recover and improve their technology. In this time they might have developed technology that allows them to travel across galaxy without mass relays (worm holes?)  No idea, we all just have to wait for the game and see it for ourselves. 
klendagon:

I hate to blast down theories, but I gotta.

Protheans are really gone. The ones on Illos went to the citadelt o seal it, and starved to death.

[Sgt Stryker]

capn233 wrote...

I hope the "nukes can kill reapers" bit is not incorporated into the game. It would be sad if they could in fact be defeated by 20th Cent weapons.

You would have to wonder why nobody seems to use them against other ships if they were remotely useful against the radiation shielding they employ. As stated by posters above, nukes are much more impressive in an atmosphere than in a vacuum. In a vacuum there is no blast wave (which is a main destructive mechanism) and there is in fact no thermal effect. All you get is a radiation burst. Granted, that radiation can heat things. If you are close enough you might burn through the armor. But unless you have magical "vacuum enhanced" nuke like from the illogical land of Halo, it might not be worth using. Enhanced Radiation weapons might actually work out to kill crews if you can overwhelm their radiation protection.

Yes we have built megaton weapons, but there has been no evidence to suggest that megaton weapons defeat reapers. The only thing that one-shotted a reaper put a huge crater in a planet after it did so. That is more than megaton energy.

I wouldn't worry too much about that. I'm pretty sure throughout the entirety of the Battle of the Citadel, the Alliance ships would have ended up firing a total of several gigatons worth of energy into Sovereign.

[Alikain]

Blacklash93 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Very true. Something I thought was interesting was in the Earth demo, we see a Reaper fire on a cruiser with it's Thanix Cannon..and the cruiser actually survives. Sure it only took one more hit to be destroyed, but that certainly allowed ships to do more damage to the Reapers thanks to the stronger shielding.

I'm not so sure the Reaper was firing with its Thanix Cannon. Rather a secondary weapon.

why do you guys think the Reapers have Thanix Cannon.  The turians produced the Thanix, their own miniaturized version of Soveregin's gun. The Thanix can fire realiably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but mountable on a fighter or frigate. Sovereign's main gun was not a directed energy weapon, rather its massive element zere core powered an electromangnetic field suspending a liuid iron-uranium-tungsten ally that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. the jet of molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light. Oh for those that are interesting it took the the turain Office of Technological Reconnasissance only 11 months to produced the Thanix and all my information is from the codex in -game.

Modifié par Alikain, 04 novembre 2011 - 02:43 .

[111987]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

I wouldn't worry too much about that. I'm pretty sure throughout the entirety of the Battle of the Citadel, the Alliance ships would have ended up firing a total of several gigatons worth of energy into Sovereign.

WOAH. Not to sound rude, but you clearly don't know how much a gigaton is. The ships fighting Sovereign didn't even come close to unleashing a megaton of force against Sovereign.

capn233 wrote...

I hope the "nukes can kill reapers" bit
is not incorporated into the game. It would be sad if they could in
fact be defeated by 20th Cent weapons.

You would have to wonder
why nobody seems to use them against other ships if they were remotely
useful against the radiation shielding they employ. As stated by
posters above, nukes are much more impressive in an atmosphere than in a
vacuum. In a vacuum there is no blast wave (which is a main
destructive mechanism) and there is in fact no thermal effect. All you
get is a radiation burst. Granted, that radiation can heat things. If
you are close enough you might burn through the armor. But unless you
have magical "vacuum enhanced" nuke like from the illogical land of
Halo, it might not be worth using. Enhanced Radiation weapons might
actually work out to kill crews if you can overwhelm their radiation
protection.

Yes we have built megaton weapons, but there has been
no evidence to suggest that megaton weapons defeat reapers. The only
thing that one-shotted a reaper put a huge crater in a planet after it
did so. That is more than megaton energy.

I personally
don't think, nor necesarrily want something as mundane as nukes to be
the solution. To answer your question about why they aren't used against
ships, it is because they are banned/outlawed due to their desstructive
potential on the environment. For space combat, yes, proximity would be
essential, but would be effective. Obviously no plan is foolproof, but
you could take out some Reapers that way. In atmosphere, nukes would
easily decimate multiple Reapers.

Blacklash93 wrote...

111987 wrote...



Very
true. Something I thought was interesting was in the Earth demo, we see a
Reaper fire on a cruiser with it's Thanix Cannon..and the cruiser
actually survives. Sure it only took one more hit to be destroyed, but
that certainly allowed ships to do more damage to the Reapers thanks to
the stronger shielding.

I'm not so sure the Reaper was firing with its thanix cannon. Rather a secondary weapon.

A Reaper's secondary weapon is its Thanix Cannons. We've never seen them fire their main guns.

[111987]

Alikain wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Very true. Something I thought was interesting was in the Earth demo, we see a Reaper fire on a cruiser with it's Thanix Cannon..and the cruiser actually survives. Sure it only took one more hit to be destroyed, but that certainly allowed ships to do more damage to the Reapers thanks to the stronger shielding.

I'm not so sure the Reaper was firing with its Thanix Cannon. Rather a secondary weapon.

why do you guys think the Reapers have Thanix Cannon.  The turians produced the Thanix, their own miniaturized version of Soveregin's gun.

...you just answered your own question in the next sentance...

[Dean_the_Young]

Alikain wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Very true. Something I thought was interesting was in the Earth demo, we see a Reaper fire on a cruiser with it's Thanix Cannon..and the cruiser actually survives. Sure it only took one more hit to be destroyed, but that certainly allowed ships to do more damage to the Reapers thanks to the stronger shielding.

I'm not so sure the Reaper was firing with its Thanix Cannon. Rather a secondary weapon.

why do you guys think the Reapers have Thanix Cannon.

People believe the Reapers have Thanix because the Thanix produced by the Turians is a re-sized copy of the Reaper weapon. Which one presumes Reapers would have, considering that Reapers were the source for the original model to be copied by the Turians.

One generally presumes that if you get something from someone, that someone thus has the something.

[SandTrout]

Thanix= easier to write version of "magnetic-hydrodynamic weapon"

[Blacklash93]

111987 wrote...

A Reaper's secondary weapon is its Thanix Cannons. We've never seen them fire their main guns.

Pretty sure the Thanix cannon was based off of Sovy's main gun and not the tentacle beams.

[SandTrout]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Pretty sure the Thanix cannon was based off of Sovy's main gun and not the tentacle beams.

You're wrong. It is specifically based off of the Tenticle beams because its design was referenced to the BotC, where the closest thing we see to a destinct "main gun" is the tenticle beams.

The presence of a spinally mounted main gun in Reapers is only speculated on, not confirmed, as no one has ever witnessed one being used by a Reaper.

[Blacklash93]

"Following the Battle of the Citadel, human and turian volunteers conducted a massive three-month survey effort to clear the station's orbit of debris. Secretly, the turian Office of Technological Reconnaissance "volunteers" were technology recovery specialists salvaging the main weapon of the geth flagship Sovereign, and large amounts of its valuable element zero core.
 
Contrary to popular belief, Sovereign's main gun was not a directed energy weapon. Rather, its massive element zero core powered an electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. The jet of molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light, destroys targets by impact force and irresistible heat.
 
Only 11 months after the battle, the turians produced the Thanix, their own miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. The Thanix can fire reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower."

Right there. It says the Thanix was based off of Sovy's main gun.

And the spinal-mounted gun is visible on Sovy. I'll try to dig up a picture.

Edit: This is the best I could find. At 1:47 you can see it in the middle of Sovy's tentacles.

Double edit: Here too.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 04 novembre 2011 - 04:08 .