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[Anarya]

ladyofpayne wrote...

GodWood wrote...

ladyofpayne wrote...
I am tired of her- she is everywhere, and I can't kill her.

Also I don't like how Bio advertise this Mary Sue in trailer Destiny. Anders is much better for MHawke than Isabela, Why didn't put him in trailer?

Bioware plese create a normal woman like Cassandra or Tallis for LI.

Stopped here.
No one is more of a Sue then Tallis (in Dragon Age).

As for Isabela? I didn't mind her actually and honestly quite liked that she was presented as a woman with a 'large sexual appetite'.
My only major issue would be her ridiculous over the top appearance that doesn't fit the Dragon Age setting.

No more Sue than Tallis? No more Mary Sue than Isabela- she wasn't killed Castillon for slaves, she run away from qinary warrior ship, who guarded like Swiss banks. When I know is in end game I was surprised- she tenacious like a cockroach. I am sure that she will be alive if you stab her in heart and head. Isabela Sue.

I think you may be mistaken as to what a Mary Sue character is. It's not just another term for "bad character" or "character I hate".

[alex90c]

I find Isabela annoying but making a hate group for her on BSN is a bit much.

[ladyofpayne]

She annoing me too much.

[Seagloom]

Isabela is hardly a Mary Sue. She is missing too many points on the checklist to qualify. I do not think Tallis qualifies either; although she comes closer than Isabela.

Regardless, all this raging is unlikely to accomplish anything. BioWare has their telemetry data and months of forum posts to draw on to get a rough measurement of Isabela's popularity. Merely the fact that she appears alongside Alistair and Varric in the upcoming comic hints at her fame. I doubt anyone forced David Gaider to write Isabela into that story.

She may not appear in DA3 as more than a cameo to make way for a new cast; but I think it is safe to say that like Leliana, Isabela is here to stay. Based on the comments here, everyone has read your opinions numerous times--at great length. At this point you are just tilting at windmills.

Modifié par Seagloom, 04 novembre 2011 - 10:48 .

[GreenClover]

 You're funny. And happy. Because you at least have an opportunity not to recruite the cahracter uoy dislike. I, on the onther hand, can never skip recruiting my dear little terribly overcute maleficar, though her role in the plot is much less important tnan Isa's  Same for those who dislike Aveline or Varric (I believe there are some people who don't like Varric. Somewhere. In some other universe). 
As for your annoyance with Isabela being in the trailers and posters and so on... Well, I din't like Morrigan when I played DAO. I'd break her neck in Lothering if I had a choice. She is everywhere. Most of the fanart, fics and cosplays are about Morrigan. I guess I should go and start some People-who-hate-Morrigan-rejoice-group, eh? 

[syllogi]

You know who I love? Isabela.


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[Laamaa]

Hate her?! O.O *fainting*

[Little Queen]

How can someone hate Isabela? O.o

[Phaffner]

I dont hate her, but I dont love her in a romatic sense. I look upon her more as my wild younger sister. Would feel totally wrong trying to romance my sister.

[Kallianira]

I don't love her but I don't mind her either.
She is funny company most of the times and her lines are hilarious.

[Terminatort800]

Isabela is funny & sexy. I like her.

[Mr.House]

ladyofpayne wrote...

GodWood wrote...

ladyofpayne wrote...
I am tired of her- she is everywhere, and I can't kill her.

Also I don't like how Bio advertise this Mary Sue in trailer Destiny. Anders is much better for MHawke than Isabela, Why didn't put him in trailer?

Bioware plese create a normal woman like Cassandra or Tallis for LI.

Stopped here.
No one is more of a Sue then Tallis (in Dragon Age).

As for Isabela? I didn't mind her actually and honestly quite liked that she was presented as a woman with a 'large sexual appetite'.
My only major issue would be her ridiculous over the top appearance that doesn't fit the Dragon Age setting.

No more Sue than Tallis? No more Mary Sue than Isabela- she wasn't killed Castillon for slaves, she run away from qinary warrior ship, who guarded like Swiss banks. When I know is in end game I was surprised- she tenacious like a cockroach. I am sure that she will be alive if you stab her in heart and head. Isabela Sue.

Do you even know what a Mary Sue is? Izzy is not one, not even close to one. Tallis is close but is also not one because she lacks certain key points. Stop your trolling and deal with it.

Modifié par Mr.House, 04 novembre 2011 - 03:38 .

[MoogleNut]

Popped in this thread to show some 'Bela support - came away wanting bacon thanks to upsettingshorts' avatar ><

[jlb524]

Mr.House wrote...
Do you even know what a Mary Sue is?

Mary Sue = party member that can't be killed by the PC's actions

[Sunnie]

ladyofpayne wrote...

No more Sue than Tallis? No more Mary Sue than Isabela- (2)she wasn't killed Castillon for slaves, (3)she run away from qinary warrior ship, who guarded like Swiss banks. (4)When I know is in end game I was surprised- she tenacious like a cockroach. (5)I am sure that she will be alive if you stab her in heart and head. Isabela Sue.

1. Are you using Google translator? I can barely understand what you are saying.
2. She doesn't kill Castillon because it wasn't necessary. You would know that if you paid any attention to the scene at all.
3. lolwut! Since I'm having a load of trouble understanding this one, I'll just take a stab at it.
Ahhh, she's running away from the Qunary WARSHIP because... its a friggin WARSHIP, a very large WARSHIP with guns and lots of raging Qunary warriors who are pissed because SHE STOLE THEIR ARTIFACT! Qunary = HUGE ship, Isabela = tiny ship. Duh!
4. Huh?
5. Thankfully, the only one Hawke can choose to execute is The Terrorist mass murdering Anders.

Closing thoughts:
It's a damn game, full of a story that someone else wrote.
-If you don't like a character, don't pick them up.
-If you have to pick them up, don't use them.
-If you do use them, it's your choice so stop whining about it.
-If you get this upset over some fictional game character you should probably turn off your console/pc and get professional help.

Modifié par Sunnie22, 04 novembre 2011 - 05:12 .

[jlb524]

The OP is explaining why Isabela is a Mary Sue (at least, that's how I understand it).

So,

(2) Castillon didn't kill her for freeing those slaves...so she survived a situation in which she should have died.

(3) After stealing the relic, Isabela's ship fought a qunari warship but Isabela still somehow survived even when most of her crew died. Again, Isabela should have died.

Basically, Isabela is a Sue (by the OP's definition) because she didn't die when the OP thinks she should have died, plus the OP can't kill her off at anytime via Hawke's actions.

Which really isn't what a Sue is and the OP is just upset that Isabela can't die at all and will likely show up in DA3 because of that simple fact.

*insert the Isabela 'Haters gonna hate' gif here*

Modifié par jlb524, 04 novembre 2011 - 05:29 .

[Sunnie]

OIC. Can I hire you for future translation needs? I can compensate you well!
Still, see my closing thoughts, they are still 100% valid.

[jlb524]

Sunnie22 wrote...

OIC. Can I hire you for future translation needs? I can compensate you well!
Still, see my closing thoughts, they are still 100% valid.

Agreed to both

[Sunnie]

jlb524 wrote...

The OP is explaining why Isabela is a Mary Sue (at least, that's how I understand it).

So,

(2) Castillon didn't kill her for freeing those slaves...so she survived a situation in which she should have died.

(3) After stealing the relic, Isabela's ship fought a qunari warship but Isabela still somehow survived even when most of her crew died. Again, Isabela should have died.

Basically, Isabela is a Sue (by the OP's definition) because she didn't die when the OP thinks she should have died, plus the OP can't kill her off at anytime via Hawke's actions.

Which really isn't what a Sue is and the OP is just upset that Isabela can't die at all and will likely show up in DA3 because of that simple fact.

*insert the Isabela 'Haters gonna hate' gif here*

So...
(2) It wasn't for a lack of trying, because Castillon's thugs were trying to kill her, on a few occasions. Hawke was there to help mop them up.

(3) Ah,, where does it indicate she "fought" the Qunari, she explained she was on the run and ran both her ship and the Qunari ship into a reef, which ended up killing most of her crew and stranding the Qunari in Kirkwall.

[Mr.House]

jlb524 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Do you even know what a Mary Sue is?

Mary Sue = party member that can't be killed by the PC's actions

Ah so that's what a Mary Sue means now, that must make Varric a Marty Stu then too. I really need to keep up with the new age.

[jlb524]

Sunnie22 wrote...
So...
(2) It wasn't for a lack of trying, because Castillon's thugs were trying to kill her, on a few occasions. Hawke was there to help mop them up.

I agree...he was trying to kill her.  I guess b/c he never succeeded this adds to Isabela's 'Sue' score.

Sunnie22 wrote...
(3) Ah,, where does it indicate she "fought" the Qunari, she explained she was on the run and ran both her ship and the Qunari ship into a reef, which ended up killing most of her crew and stranding the Qunari in Kirkwall.

Fought or fled, I think the OP feels Isabela should have died in either case and since she didn't, that adds to her 'Sue' score.

By the OP's definition (from what I've been able to glean from this thread), Tallis and Morrigan are also Sue's though, she claims they are good characters.

Modifié par jlb524, 04 novembre 2011 - 06:12 .

[jwalker]

jlb524 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
So...
(2) It wasn't for a lack of trying, because Castillon's thugs were trying to kill her, on a few occasions. Hawke was there to help mop them up.

I agree...he was trying to kill her.  I guess b/c he never succeeded this adds to Isabela's 'Sue' score.

Sunnie22 wrote...
(3) Ah,, where does it indicate she "fought" the Qunari, she explained she was on the run and ran both her ship and the Qunari ship into a reef, which ended up killing most of her crew and stranding the Qunari in Kirkwall.

Fought or fled, I think the OP feels Isabela should have died in either case and since she didn't, that adds to her 'Sue' score.

By the OP's definition (from what I've been able to glean from this thread), Tallis and Morrigan are also Sue's though she claims they are good characters.

Wait... everyone who survives something a "Sue" now ? What about Aveline ? She survived Ostagar.... bah, pretty much every refugee from Lothering is a Sue then...

[Mr.House]

The Warden is a Sue!

[jlb524]

jwalker wrote...
Wait... everyone who survives something a "Sue" now ? What about Aveline ? She survived Ostagar.... bah, pretty much every refugee from Lothering is a Sue then...

Combine that with the fact that Isabela can't be killed by the PC at anytime and there's the OP's problem.

Anders has survived things as well but Hawke can shank him at the end.

I'm not even sure why I'm trying to clarify the OP's crazy viewpoint anymore.  It's Friday and I want to go home from work

Modifié par jlb524, 04 novembre 2011 - 06:39 .

[Shepard Lives]

*sees thread*
*shrugs*
*sets awesome Izzy pic as his wallpaper*