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[ladyofpayne]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Well she's a pirate **** and her actions did lead to a slaughter and mini war, so yes.

Yes. Isabelsa haters team.

[ladyofpayne]

Quething wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

(3) After stealing the relic, Isabela's ship fought a qunari warship but Isabela still somehow survived even when most of her crew died. Again, Isabela should have died.

I think her objection to "qunary warship" is actually in reference to Isabela's escape from the Arishok if you hand her over. The game is mocking her, see. It gives her this perfect chance to punish Izzy for her indifference to sexist patriarchal reproductive mores "betrayal of Kirkwall" by sending her off to be mindraped by the Qunari, and then snatches that petty vindictiveness away by saying Isabela escaped anyway and you didn't manage to punish her at all.

(You'd think people could get some satisfaction out of the sheer cruelty of betraying her in the first place when Hawke's the first person she's ever started to believe she could trust, but I suppose nothing is sufficient punishment for a woman who dares to enjoy sex.)

This is the one reason of "my hate". I take Isabela Arishok for her actions. And what happen in end of game? He run away form qunari, b*tch. 
I hope in DA 3 she will be cruelty killed. Why I can kill Anders, but not this woman?

[Sealy]

Love Isabela, the only time she ran off with the book is when I meant her to, for my Warrior Hawke head canon purposes. I really have nothing to add other then it's: Qunari. The other way makes me thing of tiny yellow birds.

[Ryzaki]

She always runs off with that book unless I metagame.

She's really a pain in the ass that way. She's the only companion I find myself having to metagame to keep :/

[Scott Sion]

Isabella didn't take **** from anyone, I respect that.

[Sealy]

Ryzaki wrote...

She always runs off with that book unless I metagame.

She's really a pain in the ass that way. She's the only companion I find myself having to metagame to keep :/

I have to metagame to get her to take the damn book, otherwise even if I tell her to give it back to the Qunari she comes back to help in the end, I am actually reaching the point where I miss Fenris offering my up to the Arishock on a silver platter with his talk of honour, I think my precious elf often forgets I am a support mage. So usually it's nice to have her come back no matter what. But it have been hard working to find a way to make her leave.

[Quething]

@Fleshdress: Just don't do her QB. You can let her approval get as high as you like so long as you never talk to her to trigger it (this will probably mean not giving her the ship, as I believe the QB supercedes the gift dialog). I did that with my diplomatic douchebag Hawke when it looked like he was going to accidentally rival her past 50.

Man that playthrough sucked.

[LobselVith8]

Knight of Dane wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Shepard Lives wrote...

Antiva may be a Venice-like city state, but its inhabitants are clearly inspired by the Spanish.

I agree. Antivans speak Spanish, after all. Zevran says "si amor?" to a romanced Warden, and Vincento (Feynriel's father) says maldición.

Perhaps you are right, i just always saw them as Italian and the Rivaini as Spanish, but aside from Isabela i don't really remember anyone from there, much less one speaking the native tounge.

It seemed to me like the people of the Kingdom of Rivain were black, like Isabela or Duncan (according to "The Calling" identifying him as looking like he was from Rivain), although there's relatively little known about Rivain to really compare it to any nation or group of people in the real world.

[CrimsonZephyr]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Shepard Lives wrote...

Antiva may be a Venice-like city state, but its inhabitants are clearly inspired by the Spanish.

I agree. Antivans speak Spanish, after all. Zevran says "si amor?" to a romanced Warden, and Vincento (Feynriel's father) says maldición.

Perhaps you are right, i just always saw them as Italian and the Rivaini as Spanish, but aside from Isabela i don't really remember anyone from there, much less one speaking the native tounge.

It seemed to me like the people of the Kingdom of Rivain were black, like Isabela or Duncan (according to "The Calling" identifying him as looking like he was from Rivain), although there's relatively little known about Rivain to really compare it to any nation or group of people in the real world.

Rivain sounds more like pre-Reconquista Spain, actually. The Qunari, Andrastians, local religions, and Dalish all live there in relative harmony and the one major Rivaini we met was a pirate. Moors were known for their naval prowess and many became pirates on the Meditteranean, and during the days of al-Andalus, Christians and Jews lived alongside (if not equally) with the ruling Muslim moors.

[Saberchic]

@OP: Yeah, so not a fan of Izzy.

My first playthrough, we got into a fight over the book. I felt so betrayed, used, and lied to. She never came back to make things right, and if that Hawke ever comes across her, she'll be a dead pirate. Izzy was responsible for so much strife and death, and she runs away. Isabela's only love is for herself. "Friendship" is only a convenient tool for her to use when it suits her purposes.

I've kept her in one playthrough just to see, but I had to really metagame to make her come back. I've got a 3rd playthrough where I'm not even recruiting her at all. I'd like to see how the story goes without her in it.

[Rawgrim]

I liked Isabela. Thought she was one of the best characters in the game. Arguably one of the more "fleshed-out" ones too.

[Otaking_EA]

Full Disclosure: I would love to take a trip to the southern hemispheres on her boats.

It's interesting but the other character that garners this much hate: Anders is flat in literary terms where Isabela is...well-rounded.

You can have her come back with the book at the Arishok duel based on how you treated her. Meaning she grew as a character beyond selfishness and apathy, whereas nothing in the game will stop Anders from blowing up the chantry.

I've never seen a thread where people defend Anders like this, he's almost universally hated. If you know of one please link it, I'd be interested to see it.

[Otaking_EA]

Rawgrim wrote...

I liked Isabela. Thought she was one of the best characters in the game. Arguably one of the more "fleshed-out" ones too.

I see what you did there.

[Myusha]

Isabela's character is a strong woman, who likes sex. She has the entire right to choose whether or not she wants the sex, so that's not the issue.

Isabela's betrayal is more likely the issue. But overall her very life is at stake, and that's what I believe she adores the most. To single-handedly beat up Qunari along Hawke's path, while carrying that tome in one arm, to face what could be certain-death anyway...

In fear, we all act irrational, but whether some people amend a mistake or not is up to who the victims are. And for most Isabelas, Hawke was someone she wasn't willing to risk. Although she had a bit of bad timing, but meh.

And then there's the Isabelas that say "Thanks for the ride Hawke. Good luck, adios" and run to enjoy her life.

[upsettingshorts]

Ryzaki wrote...

[Isabela is] the only companion I find myself having to metagame to keep :/

I am less shocked by your struggles with this than by anything else you've said in any of your posts ever.  Probably due to the content of the other posts.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 09 novembre 2011 - 07:46 .

[Tamyn]

Out of all the unkillable female party members in recent BioWare games that annoy me (Liara, Morrigan, Leliana, Isabela), I dislike Isabela the least. She makes me laugh.

[Porenferser]

Jup, me.
I first loved her, but after the Qunari-Thing, I hated her.
Normally, I always give her to the Arishok.
Won't kill a honorable warrior for a dirty, lying thief.

Modifié par Porenferser, 09 novembre 2011 - 09:43 .

[Asch Lavigne]

I don't hate her but I do dislike her. She is my least favorite DAII companion. I've turned her ov er to the Arishok on many playthroughs and will on my cannon one too. Although to be fair, it is not just because I dislike her but also because I think she deserves it. She gets away with everything if Hawke fights the Arishok for her, even though Hawke and Aveline say they'll punish her they never do, she just avoids Hawke for three years.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 09 novembre 2011 - 09:23 .

[Malanek]

Porenferser wrote...

Jup, me.
I first loved her, but after the Qunari-Thing, I hated her.
Normally, I always turn her to the Arishok.
Won't kill a honorable warrior for a dirty, lying thief.

You can dislike the actions of a character but still like the way a character is written. A character that ellicits a strong response is usually a well written character. I was like that with Ashley in ME1, hated her opinions but she was IMO the best written character in that game.

[Malanek]

Otaking_EA wrote...
It's interesting but the other character that garners this much hate: Anders is flat in literary terms where Isabela is...well-rounded.

You can have her come back with the book at the Arishok duel based on how you treated her. Meaning she grew as a character beyond selfishness and apathy, whereas nothing in the game will stop Anders from blowing up the chantry.

I've never seen a thread where people defend Anders like this, he's almost universally hated. If you know of one please link it, I'd be interested to see it.

I thought Anders was a very well written character in DA2 as well. Act 3 was largely a misfire, some really good ideas that did not get executed very well. But Anders contribution was great. It was easily the high point of the act for me, one of the most horrifying yet argueably justified and important story actions in computer game history. There was a big thread arguing the rights and wrongs of this somewhere in here.

[ladyofpayne]

Otaking_EA wrote...

Full Disclosure: I would love to take a trip to the southern hemispheres on her boats.

It's interesting but the other character that garners this much hate: Anders is flat in literary terms where Isabela is...well-rounded.

You can have her come back with the book at the Arishok duel based on how you treated her. Meaning she grew as a character beyond selfishness and apathy, whereas nothing in the game will stop Anders from blowing up the chantry.

I've never seen a thread where people defend Anders like this, he's almost universally hated. If you know of one please link it, I'd be interested to see it.

Nothing in game can stop Isabela from stealing the book and begin the war.

[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

[Isabela is] the only companion I find myself having to metagame to keep :/

I am less shocked by your struggles with this than by anything else you've said in any of your posts ever.  Probably due to the content of the other posts.

*slow clap* how utterly adorable. It wants me to feed it.  I am impressed that you're so obssessed that you actually bother being shocked though instead of you know getting over it and ignoring it like anyone else would.  Next thing I know you'll be writing about me on other forums other than this and discussing me with your friends. Sorry babe but I don't do the whole slap slap kiss thing. <3

Poor little obsessed US. Well now that I've given you you're monthly amount of attention from me I'll go. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:22 .

[esper]

Otaking_EA wrote...

Full Disclosure: I would love to take a trip to the southern hemispheres on her boats.

It's interesting but the other character that garners this much hate: Anders is flat in literary terms where Isabela is...well-rounded.

You can have her come back with the book at the Arishok duel based on how you treated her. Meaning she grew as a character beyond selfishness and apathy, whereas nothing in the game will stop Anders from blowing up the chantry.

I've never seen a thread where people defend Anders like this, he's almost universally hated. If you know of one please link it, I'd be interested to see it.

Go into The Anders tread, any tread with his name on it, a number of the mage-templar's war thread, a number of elthina threads.