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[lobi]

Shame, would have made for some excellent Chantry torture scenes in the next DA.
I don't really like or dislike Is, but aside from Avaline she's one of the best companions in the game for both banter and combat.

Modifié par lobi, 18 décembre 2011 - 08:11 .

[Bayz]

Isabella is too kinky for torture

[sylvanaerie]

No, I don't hate Isabella. I do however dislike the character OP is touting as the only worthwhile LI.

Isabella grows over the course of the game unlike Anders who still does what he does regardless of what the player does with him. I like all the LI's better than Anders, who I have never romanced since I play to have fun, not become mired in one giant angst-fest.

If others have the stamina for that, more power to them, there seems to be something for everyone in this game. It's their game, they paid for it, I say do what is fun, but I think OP is barking up the wrong tree entirely, or else pushing an "Anders agenda" on the community in this thread.

IMO It isn't the guys who got screwed this game, they have two interesting females to pick from (Merrill experiences remarkable growth if you rival her). Women get two whiny MacEmoPants (two sides of the same coin, who experience only minor character growth-though Fenris grows to accept MageHawke as friend/rival or lover, he still clings to his mages bad agenda to the end) to pick from or a chaste choir boy.

Perhaps OP's issues with Isabella stem from that, knowing that his/her only straight options as a female are so angst filled, you get the same damn game over and over regardless of which one you pick.

OP is so intimidated by any woman who won't sit at the back of the bus, they can't seem to get past the surface of what's presented, and feel the need to sl*t-shame a woman who possesses an independent spirit.

And unlike Anders, Isabella is entirely optional, you never have to help her or do anything for her. Anders is forced on you even if you send him away (possibly leaving you without a healer in acts 2 and 3) and he still comes back and blows up the chantry in act 3.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 18 décembre 2011 - 01:15 .

[TEWR]

Merrill experiences remarkable growth if you rival her

She grows if you friend her too.

[Bayz]

ladyofpayne wrote...

I can don't take her, I know it. But there is a problem- she is only one LI from FChars better than Merril. For Female Hawke there is no problem, thanks the Makers and Anders, but all my Mhawke become a gays. No one normal men want to choose between stupid girl and lying wh*re.

You my dear are bound to be surprised. Believe me, human nature tends to go in a way that you'll be amazed that we have made it this far.

[sylvanaerie]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Merrill experiences remarkable growth if you rival her

She grows if you friend her too.

LOL maybe I just prefer rivaled Merrill to friended, but it felt to me like she has more growth rivaled, romanced or not.  (At least I finally got her to smash that damn mirror)!  Rivaled Merrill also seems more sad and lonely without being one giant wangst-fest, and is the culprit of at least 2 ninjamanced Hawkes in my games

[InfinitePaths]

You just don't like her becouse she is different than the other normal ''ladies'' in DA,she has her own additude.She doeasnt mind being half-naked all the time,in fact she is pround of it,and she is not insulted if somewone says she is a ****,beacouse she knows she isn't.I love her beacouse she is proud of herself,has a firm additude,and has best romance story of all DA.And wtf, u said Anders in trailer with male Hawke,not all people are gay like you,i mean who wlod want to play a game if the trailer shows Hawke is a ****got?

[Bayz]

Attitude? Viconia had attitude, but I won't call what Isabela has attitude really.

Then again we actually don't see much of her to make a proper judgment, because apparently Hawke only sees friends once in every three years so...

[SinnSly]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

You just don't like her becouse she is different than the other normal ''ladies'' in DA,she has her own additude.She doeasnt mind being half-naked all the time,in fact she is pround of it,and she is not insulted if somewone says she is a ****,beacouse she knows she isn't.I love her beacouse she is proud of herself,has a firm additude,and has best romance story of all DA.And wtf, u said Anders in trailer with male Hawke,not all people are gay like you,i mean who wlod want to play a game if the trailer shows Hawke is a ****got?

Dude don't make the gay comment seem a little mean dude, I've had enough homophobia thrown at me and your making your comment look mean....

Modifié par SinnSly, 18 décembre 2011 - 02:19 .

[alex90c]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

You just don't like her becouse she is different than the other normal ''ladies'' in DA,she has her own additude.She doeasnt mind being half-naked all the time,in fact she is pround of it,and she is not insulted if somewone says she is a ****,beacouse she knows she isn't.I love her beacouse she is proud of herself,has a firm additude,and has best romance story of all DA.And wtf, u said Anders in trailer with male Hawke,not all people are gay like you,i mean who wlod want to play a game if the trailer shows Hawke is a ****got?

oh my god hahahaha :lol:

[sylvanaerie]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

You just don't like her becouse she is different than the other normal ''ladies'' in DA,she has her own additude.She doeasnt mind being half-naked all the time,in fact she is pround of it,and she is not insulted if somewone says she is a ****,beacouse she knows she isn't.I love her beacouse she is proud of herself,has a firm additude,and has best romance story of all DA.And wtf, u said Anders in trailer with male Hawke,not all people are gay like you,i mean who wlod want to play a game if the trailer shows Hawke is a ****got?

Gay or straight matters little to me.  While my own personal preference for gaming LI's is hetero, the trailer could have shown a Male Mage Hawke with Anders if they wanted to.  They certainly made no secret about the orientation of the LI's in the game.  My objection to Anders has nothing to do with his sexuality but with his actions in the game.
And I disagreed with OP's original post because he/she was touting Anders as the only worthwhile romance in DA2 while spitting on Isabela.  The other three romances do have their strong points (as well as their weaknesses), but I have done them to completion several times and enjoyed every playthrough.
I even flirted with Sebastian and did his my first playthrough (Since I botched picking up Fenris in Act 1).

[Thiefy]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

to phrase it another way: Say when you do hand Isabela over, Varric says she was killed by the Qunari (ignoring that they don't waste anything and wouldn't kill her, but would probably submit her to the Qamek).

So you killed her. That's what you wanted right?

Well how would you feel if Bioware decided to put Isabela in DA3 in an import where you handed her to the Qunari and it wasn't a bug?

alright without going in a quote ****** for tat (not ignoring what you are saying but i think it's clear we just have different perspectives on the ideas and would get nowhere fast convincing that the other is wrong), basically you just dont like the idea of bioware retaconning a player's choice should they decide to kill a companion? is this correct? because it was my understanding before you just didn't want to miss out on story bits but based on the last wall of text, i am understanding that it's the retaconning that really bothers you?

either way if that's what they decide to do they must have a good reason for it; then again i don't see how retaconning things is any different from leaving a bunch of loose ends in a story; they are both undesirable imo. i would personally rather have the former but i would assume you'd feel differently.

Perhaps OP's issues with Isabella stem from that, knowing that his/her
only straight options as a female are so angst filled, you get the same
damn game over and over regardless of which one you pick.

OP is
so intimidated by any woman who won't sit at the back of the bus, they
can't seem to get past the surface of what's presented, and feel the
need to sl*t-shame a woman who possesses an independent spirit.

or maybe they just don't like her personality? not everyone that dislikes Isabella "is afraid of strong women". sounds like you are taking someone else's opinion on a fictional character a little too personal, lol.

Modifié par Thief-of-Hearts, 21 décembre 2011 - 04:02 .

[TEWR]

It's the retcon that bothers me as well as the missing out on story bits in the future games because the companions would be important in those instances if they were killed. The future games wouldn't force you to have had them in your party, as the companions could easily do what they did without Hawke.

If Bioware does decide to kill off a companion, they better not be important in the future games. As of now, it just seems like Bioware is only looking at the here and now and not the here and now, then, and later on.

[Thiefy]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

It's the retcon that bothers me as well as the missing out on story bits in the future games because the companions would be important in those instances if they were killed. The future games wouldn't force you to have had them in your party, as the companions could easily do what they did without Hawke.

If Bioware does decide to kill off a companion, they better not be important in the future games. As of now, it just seems like Bioware is only looking at the here and now and not the here and now, then, and later on.

wouldn't it just be addressed the same way it was in DAO when we picked out origins? for instance, with the Howe subplot, you would only get the part that was available if you chose to save the HN, but forgo the subplots for the other warden canindates who dies. i think it's a pretty simple fix, actually. you could still do certain quests and parts of the story, you just wouldn't be privvy to all the juicy details.

i mean i really don't see how it would be any different from the choice of the old god ritual in DAO; surely that will come up as something important in the future, but several people opted not to do it.

[TEWR]

That would create too many subplots that Bioware would have to account for I think, and then they're back to square one.

"****... why did we do that?"

[Thiefy]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

That would create too many subplots that Bioware would have to account for I think, and then they're back to square one.

"****... why did we do that?"

that just what you assume. let's let the pros handle this and do their jobs instead of thinking they don't know how handle it. you shouldn't be so negative or doubt in their ability.

[PatrickBateman]

I support including Isabela as a major character in every future DA game! Just got to love her!

[hurricaneez2]

I demand a Isabella v. Morrigan death match in DA3!

[Radkar]

I hate Isabela also. Didn't recruit her in my last playthrough. I agree with ladyofpayne completely (except for Anders. My MHawke always rivalry-romances Merrill).

[number 1 dragon age fan]

isabella is more complex than you think if you took into account where she is coming from and what she's been through you'd understand.

1. her own mother sold her and converted to the qun are you surprised she tends to put herself first
2. she has been sexualised and likes to talk about sex for a reason i don't think its because she is a **** but because she wants to show she considers herself a 'free bird'

[The Xand]

Can't stand her. She's such a shallow slag. Don't care for her reasons why; your behaviour defines you. Merrill on the other hand was a total sweetheart.

sylvanaerie wrote...

Isabella grows over the course of the
game unlike Anders who still does what he does regardless of what the
player does with him. I like all the LI's better than Anders, who I have
never romanced since I play to have fun, not become mired in one giant
angst-fest.

I found Anders to be one of the best characters. He was so conflicted, because of his beliefs, because of the demon inside him and because of the influence of his friends. In the end, right or wrong, he stuck firmly to his beliefs and did what he believed to be best and he is to be lauded for that. Certainly better than how he was in Awakening where he was just a shallow Alistair clone.

Modifié par The Xand, 11 octobre 2013 - 12:15 .

[Renmiri1]

The Xand wrote...

Can't stand her. She's such a shallow slag. Don't care for her reasons why; your behaviour defines you. Merrill on the other hand was a total sweetheart.

sylvanaerie wrote...

Isabella grows over the course of the
game unlike Anders who still does what he does regardless of what the
player does with him. I like all the LI's better than Anders, who I have
never romanced since I play to have fun, not become mired in one giant
angst-fest.

I found Anders to be one of the best characters. He was so conflicted, because of his beliefs, because of the demon inside him and because of the influence of his friends. In the end, right or wrong, he stuck firmly to his beliefs and did what he believed to be best and he is to be lauded for that. Certainly better than how he was in Awakening where he was just a shallow Alistair clone.

+1,000,000

[viberunner]

Isabella is probably my all time favourite Bioware companion. Everything clicked with her. The writing with her story, her dialogue and banter, the artwork, and the voice acting. The game is a lot less entertaining without Isabella in the party.

 

Bingo!

[viberunner]

PS, I'm my DA2 run is female mage Hawke romancing Isabela. Mild SPOILERS I guess but...

 

When Zevran turned up we had a threesome and Aveline said "I think I just threw up a little bit into my mouth". GENIUS!

 

And generally speaking her dialogue with Aveline is the best in the game.

 

Isabela: Wait... you've been without for four years? You must creak like a rusty hinge.

Aveline: Many people have their lives because of me!

Isabela: But meanwhile, poor you, with no life of your own.

Aveline: We both put others above ourselves. I just happen to do it while clothed.

Isabela: You splitting hairs, but wishing someone would split yours.

Aveline: I've had enough of your loose lips! Like many others, I'm sure!

Isabela: Ooo, touché. Prig!

Aveline: Slattern!

 

Aveline: You didn't come to my solstice dinner party.

Isabela: Look at you! Dinner parties, cooking... do you have a lace apron yet, or should I get one for you?

Aveline: Don't change the subject. I sent you an invitation, and you didn't show up.

Isabela: I thought it would be... I mean, I don't know. I just don't do family gatherings.

Isabela: Besides, one day you and Donnic will have children, and I'll be the last person you want around them.

Isabela: Imagine all the awkward questions you'd have to answer. "Mother, what's a Slattern?"

Aveline: I'll just point at you and say, "That's a Slattern."

 

Isabela: How's marriage been treating you, big girl?

Aveline: It's been good. No, great. I'd forgotten what it was like to...

Isabela: Be flipped ass over ****** and hammered like a bent nail?

Aveline: To. Be. Loved.

Isabela: Oh. Right, of course.

Aveline: Not that I'm complaining about the other thing.

 

 

How can you not love that?

[caradoc2000]

It seems this thread is necroed every two years.