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[PappaCube]

The Angry One wrote...

People who put Morrigan on a pedestal merely because she flashes her boobs at them annoy the hell out of me (yeah I'm saying if Morrigan was dressed like a nun she wouldn't be half as popular!).
Whether she is or is not Flemeth is irrelevant, we've already beaten Flemeth once anyway.

T'was an old dance that she (Flemeth) knew very well....

[The Angry One]

On Morrigan being Darth Vader-esque.. only if she too gets de-limbed and left to slowly be burned by volcanic ash.
By Sandal.

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 novembre 2009 - 12:31 .

[Taleroth]

The Angry One wrote...

On Morrigan being Darth Vader-esque.. only if she too gets de-limbed and left to slowly be burned by volcanic ash.
By Sandal.

Bad Angry One.  Bad.  Down.

Sit.

Bad shim.

[The Angry One]

Enchantment?

[Cyric133]

Taleroth wrote...

Cyric133 wrote...

Finally, someone else has noticed this as well (and wrote about it)!

And for those that haven't seen the series in its entirety, it ends rather nicely.

I would think any Farscape fan would seek out these connections.  It's a great series, I watch it all the way through at least twice a year.  Skipping only a few episodes such as "I, ET" or "Home on the Remains."

Too few Farscape fans, apparently. I haven't watched the series in a couple years, but playing DA, I did draw those connections and now have an urge to watch it again. 

At least twice a year, that sir, is dedication (not without merit though!).

[The Angry One]

I stopped watching Farscape when they renamed it to Stargate SG-1.

[AnnaV]

Nightfish103 wrote...

Personally I am glad to be rid of Morrigan. I understand she's meant to be contrary and callous and whatnot, but I am sick and tired of reading "Morrigan disapproves". Jesus Chr... erm... Andraste's Ashes, woman, if I did what you wanted, I'd have to fight the darkspawn all by my lonesome. Each time I try to gather some meat shields to fight off the blight Morrigan disagrees with me solving their minor problems so they can take the heat for me... Especially doesn't make sense if you factor in that the archdemon actually needs to DIE for her plan to work. So you'd think she'd have a bigger interest in making it happen... As I remember, her suggestion was "go and kill loghain" right after Ostagar... Yea, that'll work. Even Alistar can see it's a dumb idea. Of course he probably just lucked out because he just returns Morrigans negated statements.

Yea, I get she's supposed to be... dare i say it... a ****, but sometimes her objections just make no sense. She's against everything just for the sake of being against it. She's not exactly falling all over herself to take the front row when it comes to fighting the blight, either. So yea... Overall she's the character I like the least and the one who's motivation I understand the least. I gotta say, that she actually expected me to give her a god-baby after she's been ****ing at me for 30 hours, you gotta be kidding me...

For all the options the game gave me, I really lament I wasn't giving the option of killing her. I don't undestand that. Why is Morrigan worth "protecting" when it's perfectly possible to slay Wynne or Lelianna?

/ditto to all of the above

I suspect the answer to the last question there contains some or all of the following words : dark makeup, bewbs, Mary Sue....
I'm rather sad about it though, I thought Morrigan was going to be great until we got past Lothering then I have a feeling they hit her with the chaotic evil stick so that the the puppy puncher types would get some mileage out of her.
I'll sign for more Leliana though instead

[Ulicus]

Having a plot shield doesn't automatically make one a Mary Sue. The most she can be is a Canon Sue, anyway, and I'd disagree even there.



Besides, you can indirectly kill her... in the epilogue.

[mrao]

AnnaV wrote...

Nightfish103 wrote...

Personally I am glad to be rid of Morrigan. I understand she's meant to be contrary and callous and whatnot, but I am sick and tired of reading "Morrigan disapproves". Jesus Chr... erm... Andraste's Ashes, woman, if I did what you wanted, I'd have to fight the darkspawn all by my lonesome. Each time I try to gather some meat shields to fight off the blight Morrigan disagrees with me solving their minor problems so they can take the heat for me... Especially doesn't make sense if you factor in that the archdemon actually needs to DIE for her plan to work. So you'd think she'd have a bigger interest in making it happen... As I remember, her suggestion was "go and kill loghain" right after Ostagar... Yea, that'll work. Even Alistar can see it's a dumb idea. Of course he probably just lucked out because he just returns Morrigans negated statements.

Yea, I get she's supposed to be... dare i say it... a ****, but sometimes her objections just make no sense. She's against everything just for the sake of being against it. She's not exactly falling all over herself to take the front row when it comes to fighting the blight, either. So yea... Overall she's the character I like the least and the one who's motivation I understand the least. I gotta say, that she actually expected me to give her a god-baby after she's been ****ing at me for 30 hours, you gotta be kidding me...

For all the options the game gave me, I really lament I wasn't giving the option of killing her. I don't undestand that. Why is Morrigan worth "protecting" when it's perfectly possible to slay Wynne or Lelianna?

/ditto to all of the above

I suspect the answer to the last question there contains some or all of the following words : dark makeup, bewbs, Mary Sue....
I'm rather sad about it though, I thought Morrigan was going to be great until we got past Lothering then I have a feeling they hit her with the chaotic evil stick so that the the puppy puncher types would get some mileage out of her.
I'll sign for more Leliana though instead

Morrigan is very pragmatic, or at least she thinks she is. Its clear that she is at least short sighted when it comes to viewing how to deal with the blight. I agree she is a ****, but do you expect her to be any other way than how she is? She was raised by an insidious, manipulative abomination, in a swamp, with no company except for the animals. All the while being hunted by templars for being an apostate. Why in the world should she care about a society that would have her killed or made tranquil? As people have said, if you romance her you can break through some of the conditioning Flemeth has instilled in her. But in the end she has her own goals, which we know barely anything about.

I'm hoping she's not out to posess the baby/absorb its power or some nonsese, as that is the least interesting reason I could think of for the ritual.

Also if you're going to assign a DnD style alignment to Morrigan, then wouldn't it very clearly be Neutral Evil? Viconia or Edwin from BG2 would make exactly the same objections that she does throughout the game.

Modifié par mrao, 24 novembre 2009 - 01:58 .

[AnnaV]

mrao wrote...

I'm hoping she's not out to posess the baby/absorb its power or some nonsese, as that is the least interesting reason I could think of for the ritual.

Also if you're going to assign a DnD style alignment to Morrigan, then wouldn't it very clearly be Neutral Evil? Viconia or Edwin from BG2 would make exactly the same objections that she does throughout the game.

Snipped.  Don't want to take the thread off-topic but :

"Chaotic Evil : Characters of this alignment tend to have no respect for rules, other peoples' lives, or anything but their own desires, which are typically selfish and cruel. They set a high value on personal freedom, but do not have any regard for the lives or freedom of other people"

Guilty on all counts M'lud.

Fits perfectly imo, her responses at the golem finale, mage tower, e.g I don't want to be a golem but lets use some dorfs instead or Hey I hate the templars and chantry for oppressing mages but lets gut that old woman Wynn, it's her own fault the templars are coming to get her.  And those elves who've been enslaved ?? C'mon.

I'm not being a total hater here, I think she could have been a great character; the one I first met in the wilds. For a few of the conversations she was interesting too.  But I thought her main plot dialogue veered far away from this.

Oh and Eddy's alignment, goes from LE to CE as I recall.

[marshalleck]

Oh god don't start with the D&D alignments, everyone will assign their own interpretation to her behavior.

Besides, she's a poster child of neutral evil. You'd have to be blind or not talk to Morrigan at all to not see it.

If you actually play with her in your group and talk to her, and listen to what she says about the various encounters you find yourself in, she's not out to cause pain and misery just for the sake of being a pain in everyone's ass. Yes, if you take one look at her and say "okay generic goth/evil chick" and skip through her dialogue, she'll come across as unmanageable, hating you for doing everything.

She recommends freeing Sten from his cage even if you won't take him with you, saying he doesn't deserve to be darkspawn food. Would a chaotic evil  (i.e. chaotic stupid) person say that?

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 novembre 2009 - 03:05 .

[Vilegrim]

The Angry One wrote...

Levowitz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Levowitz wrote...

Well let's face it. Morrigan feels regret and sorrow. She misses the main character.

It's cute that you believe that.
I suppose Morrigan is right about men..

Well, I mean it's what the epilogue clearly states. What are you trying to say? That's it's wrong?

The epilogue says that your character "is sure" that is what Morrigan feels.
In other words, it's what the PC thinks, not what is so. It's not even certain the ring has any real powers at all.

she states as fact that she can find you, and you are alive if to the Arl when you are captured trying to save the queen.  So, in a cut scene with no reason to even mention it, she asserts it's power that means it must have some, or she is meta-gaming, which is immersion breaking.  Wether it is two way is another question, if it could be MADE two way is a third.

[Vilegrim]

double post

Modifié par Vilegrim, 24 novembre 2009 - 03:27 .

[Vilegrim]

gah triple post

Modifié par Vilegrim, 24 novembre 2009 - 03:28 .

[Ryalor]

I hate DLC. I rather have a good expansion pack. DLC is too short. It is basically a dungeon crawl map with weak story content.

[Vilegrim]

Ryalor wrote...

I hate DLC. I rather have a good expansion pack. DLC is too short. It is basically a dungeon crawl map with weak story content.

depends who does it.

[AnnaV]

marshalleck wrote...

Oh god don't start with the D&D alignments, everyone will assign their own interpretation to her behavior.

Besides, she's a poster child of neutral evil. You'd have to be blind or not talk to Morrigan at all to not see it.

Ooooh the old "contradict yourself" ploy eh?
But eh ok, I won't use the term again, since it's irrelevant regarding my point (which is being totally missed anyway)  I'm saying they threw buckets of "token evuul babe" at her after Lothering in regards to the main quest. and it made travelling with and romancing her a bit dull and predictable.  Her actual "friendly" camp conversations and her backstory are nice, but the psychopath you have to toil through the actual quests with got tiresome

For her to give a crap about Sten being in a cage and yet condone the cold blooded murder of a room full of elves in cages, Be positvely gleeful about killing Wynne who's also technically in a cage.  You're telling me you see no discrepencies there? At all??

Still not signed

[marshalleck]

Psychopath? What a sad little box you must live in if you think Morrigan is a psychopath.

Arl Howe is a psychopath. Uldred is a psychopath. Morrigan is far from being a psychopath. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 novembre 2009 - 04:17 .

[AnnaV]

marshalleck wrote...

Psychopath? What a sad little box you must live in. 

Hehe, wondered when the ad-hominems would show up. 

So, in your little box is murdering a room full of helpless slaves normal healthy behaviour then?
 
You should also read what the clinical definition of a psychopath is too before you start randomly ascribing it to characters you dislike or disassociating it with a character you have the hots for

[Vicious]

Even when you tell Loghain of all people about Morrigan's plan he says he'd rather take his chances dying than whatever she has planned.



The reason she avoided Riordan is he is well-travelled and obviously quite knowledgable about the Grey Wardens. Of all the NPC's besides Flemeth he would be the one to have an idea of what she's planning and what dark things may come of it.



If she went to him about her plan he'd probably run off to try and kill her himself.



That said... WOW Morrigan is one evil witch. Hawt looking and peerless voice acting but... evil evil evil. Just because an evil chick falls in love with you doesn't make her any less vile.

[marshalleck]

Unfortunately I didn't have Morrigan in my group at that part so I don't know the context of what she may have said

Nutshell definition of psychopath: lacking conscience or empathy for others. That doesn't fit Morrigan (though you may think it does if you never talk to her or explore her character), but it does fit several of the villain characters in the game.

And hots for? Please. It's a video game character. Besides, my loyalties are already declared. View my group membership.

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 novembre 2009 - 04:49 .

[Mithrundir]

Agree in almost every way and been the main focus of almost every post for myself.



/signed and group joined

[mrao]

Well I'd say its clear that she is an evil character, at least from what we know of her now. Whether or not she is a sociopath or not would hinge on whether she loves the PC or not, yes? Were she one, wouldn't she be incapable of love? Viconia was very similar to Morrigan in her behavior, but also managed to fall in love with the PC.

I'm pretty sure even David Gaider said in a recent forum post here that Morrigan does potentially love the PC. Does that make her any less evil? No. But some believe there is hope for a change in her, especially if you playthrough the romance. Some don't buy it. Whatever, its open to interpretation.

Sometimes I think people use the term Mary Sue to describe any character they don't like. Some people do play evil characters, you know. They need at least 2 party members who won't leave for doing certain things (like destroying the ashes). Consider that it is basically required to have at least 1 mage in your party if you are playing normal and above.

Modifié par mrao, 24 novembre 2009 - 04:49 .

[Mithrundir]

xcess wrote...
http://social.bioware.com/group/622/  Over 2000 posts about Morrigan alone

enjoy.

/sign

Is that group app not working or is it just me, joining doesn't work aswell as clicking any of the tabs.

[Acemath]

I really don't think Morrigan is Truely Evil...I'm not sure but i have the idea most of her sayings and thoughts are something most people would think about,but never mention it,atleast not in public...