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[Xandurpein]

Kabraxal wrote...

I was the opposite.  Viconia's romance pissed me off.  Either have a multitude of endings that differ thematically or don't offer choice for that particular character.  If the same is done with Morrigan, then the story of Dragon Age will take a massive hit with me. 

Out of curiosity, did you finish her romance in ToB or did you just finish it in original BG2? Becuase I could see people getting annoyed if they only got the sad breakup end in original BG2. The end in ToB was much more fulfilling even if it was laced with sadness.

[Muddyboot2701]

Agree with the OP.



When you pick her to go to Fort Drakon with you and she says something like "I will always remember you, my love." I just about cried.



I never expected this type of reaction out of myself at all.



Kudos Bioware.

[Kabraxal]

Xandurpein wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

I was the opposite.  Viconia's romance pissed me off.  Either have a multitude of endings that differ thematically or don't offer choice for that particular character.  If the same is done with Morrigan, then the story of Dragon Age will take a massive hit with me. 

Out of curiosity, did you finish her romance in ToB or did you just finish it in original BG2? Becuase I could see people getting annoyed if they only got the sad breakup end in original BG2. The end in ToB was much more fulfilling even if it was laced with sadness.

All the way.  I actually like the endings in and of themselves, but the fact that there exists no true good ending bothers me to no end.  Regardless of what happens it really isn't "happy".  With multiple branches, there should always be at least one happy ending and one tragic ending.  Sadly, BGII forgot one for Viconia.

Modifié par Kabraxal, 04 janvier 2010 - 12:31 .

[ConCuzE]

//Sign!



Give me a happy ending, if i choose to

[AsheraII]

Why do I have a feeling that the developers will include some cutscene with a field of daffodils with the PC and Morrigan dropping whatever they have in their hands, running towards each other in slow motion, just for FUN after all these threads on this matter?

[Barbarossa2010]

Xandurpein wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

As far as 'Dark Fantasy' is concerned, Bioware's focus on the "Dark" (as if there weren't enough of that in the story to begin with) and downplaying the "Fantasy" part of this story is not all that intriguing and sort of a copout and convenient fallback position, if they receive bad player feedback.

All I can say is that what I hear the word Dark Fantasy, then I assume it'll mean no sunshine and rainbow ending. So I got exactly what I expected from a Dark Fantasy.

In a way I think Morrigan and DA:O has saved all future Bioware romance from now on for me. Up until now I must say that the best RPG romance experience I have ever had was the first time I played BG2 and choose to romance Viconia. I'm not saying Viconia is the best concieved character ever, but the first time I played it I didn't KNOW it would work out well, even if I tried my best. I agonized over every decision talking to her. That is what made it so amazing when she finally admitted that she loved me. Since then it's never been the same. Even if I have played other games with better written characters, I have come to expect a happy end. Once you get the hang of it, it's not that hard choosing the right answer to "win" the girl, so if you always expect to win easily there is no exitment left. Now I know Bioware can give me an unhappy end, even if I fdo my best and next time I do get a happy end, it'll be so much more thrilling for it.

Thanks for your comments Xandurpein. It does help put things in persepective. Please remember I come from a very different gaming background. I did play D&D and military board games and only went as deep into Sci-Fi/fantasy as LOTR and Narnia, so your comments help me adjust to something I have yet to experience, especially in gaming.  I really appreciate it.

I do like the thrill of not knowing where your dialogue choices will lead, but give me an epic heroe's choice, if you want to deny me the fulillment (let's face it) we all crave.  I guess denying Morrigan the Ritual is a choice, as she walks away seemingly indifferent and and you die with your soul annihilated, it's just a really shi##y one.  I succumbed (I felt like a slave to be honest) to the Ritual only to buy myself more time to reason with her or gain more information.  Lot of good that did me.  I probably gave life to demon spawn and my character will rue his "weakness" for love.  Maybe Morrigan was right about that.  She seemed determined to show me what a "weakness" it is.  Very "Dark" indeed.  I'm fairly certain the story is not finished, but from this vantage point it appears pretty grim.

As far as bad endings, no way I'll accept them in this entertainment genre.  Too much invested to be kicked in the teeth by a group of writers (it appears) I have little in common with. Ambiguity vs absolutes. I could talk for days on this topic.

Thanks again for the perspective though.  I'm probably taking this way too serious.

[Barbarossa2010]

Obadiah wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
...
I would rather have died a hero's death with a choice to save Morrigan or save myself, as a final love lesson, with her continuing on with a child we conceived
...

The first time I finished this game (where I turned down the ritual and died), that's kind of how I saw the ritual choice actually. My grey warden tried, and probably failed, to save Morrigan from herself.

Amen.  A shi##y choice for sure, but I think you're probably right.  I really believed I deserved better for how I played the game. I guess the writers determine what we deserve.  

Still a crappy death since I didn't want this mission from the beginning.  Very un-epic.

Thanks for the perspective Obadiah.

[Barbarossa2010]

Obadiah wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
...
I would rather have died a hero's death with a choice to save Morrigan or save myself, as a final love lesson, with her continuing on with a child we conceived
...

The first time I finished this game (where I turned down the ritual and died), that's kind of how I saw the ritual choice actually. My grey warden tried, and probably failed, to save Morrigan from herself.

Amen.  A shi##y choice for sure, but I think you're probably right.  I really believed I deserved better for how I played the game. I guess the writers determine what we deserve.  

Still a crappy death since I didn't want this mission from the beginning.  Very un-epic.

Thanks for the perspective Obadiah.

[TearsoftheForest]

Don't like her either. But I'll sign for content that will allow me to kill her in a scenerio, like maybe push her off a cliff. hmm.

[TearsoftheForest]

well Flemmeth wanted Morrigan to possess, makes only sense that Morrigan is doing the same thing. She read the grimoire and now she understands how its done. So she takes the child you make that will be powerful, like some old god, and will probably inherit its body and become that god or something powerful.

[TSamee]

To be honest, most of us ended up romancing her because we didnt know much about her, and it sort of made things interesting. My warden was pretty open with her, and expecting the same back (as humans tend to) was just stupidity on my part.

I think that the PC's relationship/meeting with Morrigan should wait until the sequel, because the fact that we don't know much about her means there's no way to predict how she reacts to the PC later on. She might have made plans with Flemeth, but regretted it once the PC showed her another side to the world. She might, as the epilogue sort of implies, be missing him.

Or she might have simply dismissed what you've told her for weakness and played the psychologically unsure, vulnerable woman to manipulate you into having the child. Or perhaps she actually started to like the PC, after trying to manipulate him. Thr problem is, we don't really know enough about her past to cancel out ANY of these possibilities (and more).

Dragon cultist, tool of Flemeth, secret ally of Flemeth, regretful, slightly damaged girl? We don't know whether she is, was or wants to become any of these. Personally, I'd like to gradually find out more about her (possibly based on what she does with the child later on).

I dont't want a happy ending, but I'd like to see whether she's started to feel that there's more to the world than she first thought, and how that affects the upbringig of my Warden's little demon.

So yeah, i don't want a dlc. It's trying to bend one of the most complex relationships in a Bioware game to the will of consumers to instantly gratify them. And, personally, I'd rather see her much later on and see if her time with the Warden changed anything about her, and, more importantly, I'd like to see the larger force behind the Dark Ritual. So no, a stick-on dlc with Morrigan is a bad idea, unless BW are saying otherwise.

EDIT- Read the first post (yeah, I know, idiot move not reading it
first), and I agree with Ozzy as far as feelings for Morrigan go.
BioWare have managed to emotionally attach me to the party member I know the least about, and this shows some truly ridiculous skills
on their part. So my final decision is:

I'm all good with a
Morrigan DLC, but it shouldn't be about giving the relationship another show, or the child or
anything related to the sequel's potential story arcs. That should wait til DA2. I'd like some information about her
and her background though (solid stuff, not just based on assumption),
so that I can finally make something of a decision on how to react to
her in a sequel.

Modifié par TSamee, 04 janvier 2010 - 02:39 .

[Thor Rand Al]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I'll only sign if I can track her down and slit her throat for touching my Alistair!

Agree, agree most definitely I have to agree with you on this one... We want revenge dang it lmao

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Whilst I do like Morrigan, I DON'T want to see ANY DLC solely relating to her or any other party member.



I want to see PROPER content with proper adventures for EVERYONE to enjoy, not just sad rubbish for stupid people out there that can't get over the fact that some things were left open.



You want to create a sad soppy reunion, go make it, that is what the toolset is there for, not DLCs

[cynicalsaint1]

The character I had who went down the Morrigan romance was a rather evil Blood Mage.



He mostly wants to track her down, so he can take the demon-baby for himself.



If there is a continuation of the Morrigan story, I hope there's a "F the ****, I'm after my demon-spawn" option in it.

[phoenixgoddess27]

I never liked Morrigan or the idea of someone agreeing to have a baby and not be a part of it's life, letting the baby's mama disappear. It's just weird to me and Morrigan's a b****. I sign for the option to kill her or punch her in the face.

[Rendar666]

I would LOVE this. They need a massive Expansion just to wrap up all the love interests and to possibly set the stage for a new DA!!!! Ah, me and my hopeful dreams. I'd love that.

[Rendar666]

TSamee wrote...

To be honest, most of us ended up romancing her because we didnt know much about her, and it sort of made things interesting. My warden was pretty open with her, and expecting the same back (as humans tend to) was just stupidity on my part.

I think that the PC's relationship/meeting with Morrigan should wait until the sequel, because the fact that we don't know much about her means there's no way to predict how she reacts to the PC later on. She might have made plans with Flemeth, but regretted it once the PC showed her another side to the world. She might, as the epilogue sort of implies, be missing him.

Or she might have simply dismissed what you've told her for weakness and played the psychologically unsure, vulnerable woman to manipulate you into having the child. Or perhaps she actually started to like the PC, after trying to manipulate him. Thr problem is, we don't really know enough about her past to cancel out ANY of these possibilities (and more).

Dragon cultist, tool of Flemeth, secret ally of Flemeth, regretful, slightly damaged girl? We don't know whether she is, was or wants to become any of these. Personally, I'd like to gradually find out more about her (possibly based on what she does with the child later on).

I dont't want a happy ending, but I'd like to see whether she's started to feel that there's more to the world than she first thought, and how that affects the upbringig of my Warden's little demon.

So yeah, i don't want a dlc. It's trying to bend one of the most complex relationships in a Bioware game to the will of consumers to instantly gratify them. And, personally, I'd rather see her much later on and see if her time with the Warden changed anything about her, and, more importantly, I'd like to see the larger force behind the Dark Ritual. So no, a stick-on dlc with Morrigan is a bad idea, unless BW are saying otherwise.

EDIT- Read the first post (yeah, I know, idiot move not reading it
first), and I agree with Ozzy as far as feelings for Morrigan go.
BioWare have managed to emotionally attach me to the party member I know the least about, and this shows some truly ridiculous skills
on their part. So my final decision is:

I'm all good with a
Morrigan DLC, but it shouldn't be about giving the relationship another show, or the child or
anything related to the sequel's potential story arcs. That should wait til DA2. I'd like some information about her
and her background though (solid stuff, not just based on assumption),
so that I can finally make something of a decision on how to react to
her in a sequel.

Ok, my opinion instantly changed once I read this. Thank you good sir, I believe I was simply confused about everything. Your opinion is much better and well thought out than mine

[TSamee]

lol XD (emoticons won't work on an iphone). You're very welcome, and i'm flattered(not sure if i should be, though



To be honest, i just think that Morrigan is both too unknown and too close to the DA2 story arcs to let the PC meet her before the sequel. And as to my opinion being "better" than yours, who knows?BW might have an expansion planned that does complete justice to your relationships. I'm not the genius writer, though, so i have no idea

[triggerhippy]

JaegerBane wrote...

Lirilaria wrote...
One of your friends and companion wants to ressurect an old god-you disagree and she betrays you....and you cant kill her?Ill state again:WHY?

Because she's fit.

LMAO!!

[triggerhippy]

mrao wrote...

Dragons are physically powerful but apart from that I'm not sure what a dragon's body has over a human one.
If the child turned out to be no more powerful than a decent mage, why bother with this whole thing?

I 'm thinking that she will use it as a symbol to gather people around as an opposition to the chantry. That would be more interesting than just being an all powerful engine of destruction or something.

Now THIS sounds like a fun expansion indeed!! The chantry burning down.  Hopefully with the templars turning on them as well after all the lyrium addiction the chantry created.

[triggerhippy]

Surveys make it quite clear that Morrigan is most people's favorite character. She is mine as well even with all the times I have switched between love and hate for her. But that's the point: she affects you more than any other npc. You can rest assured Bioware will not squander the opportunity to bring back their "cash cow".

I just have one request: please make her accessible to female characters as a romance option in the future. She already bred and got the baby she wanted, let her toy with female characters as much as male next time. It was frustrating not to be able to even flirt with Morrigan my with my female character. I was expecting some great cutdowns or teasing and they never occurred.

Modifié par triggerhippy, 05 janvier 2010 - 05:26 .

[AcetylLumi]

I agree.

Modifié par AcetylLumi, 05 janvier 2010 - 05:35 .

[Chris H. Fleming]

I'd like to see an expansion where we play as the god-child and Flemmeth comes back into the picture as the main villain - wanting your god-soul or some such. Perhaps that is cliche though.

[MaliceDelight]

After reading all these posts all i can think of is that song by matchbox 20

"I think I've already lost you
I think you're already gone
I think I'm finally scared now
You think I'm weak - but I think you're wrong
I think you're already leaving
Feels like your hand is on the door
I thought this place was an empire
But now I'm relaxed - I can't be sure

I think you're so mean - I think we should try
I think I could need - this in my life
I think I'm just scared - I think too much
I know this is wrong it's a problem I'm dealing "

That being said, my first playthrough i felt i was a little bit lead by my hand to romance morrigan....you can't put something shiny in front of me and tell me not to touch it, tis human nature. I agree with op and apparentally most of the thread about a big expansion/da:2 with same pc/morrigan story.

I played all the baldurs gates for consoles and anticipated them greatly. After finishing the first one i was mad when they post-poned the second one months after its original release date was planned. I waited and played and it was great. However, this game is completely different, the story makes you care what happens in the game, which is why there is no way i would want a DA:2 that has diff pc/time period (like the baldurs gate series) without at least giving some closure to a very ambiguous ending to my story.

I have read some of these silly posts about "what do you expect, your going to have a family/ranch style house and live happily ever after?" and well....not exactally what i had in mind, but i wanted something more then "She leaves forever....for now" (pardon me i dont recall the exact quotes) "You can tell she feels regret" While its all fine and dandy to leave it up to my imagination, I feel kind of cheap/empty with that kind of an ending with a 60+ hour commitment to a game haha.

I dont think i'll buy the next big installment of adventures if this story hasn't been wrapped up first, that is to say if DA:2 will have all new pc/characters ect.

Finally, the last thing that comes to mind is

"(Bioware) You are a bad man....you made me cry, you should be ashamed"
Hahaha.


Well, thats my rant, love the game, detested the ending....for now.

Modifié par MaliceDelight, 05 janvier 2010 - 06:25 .

[Brockololly]

TSamee wrote...

To be honest, most of us ended up romancing her because we didnt know much about her, and it sort of made things interesting. My warden was pretty open with her, and expecting the same back (as humans tend to) was just stupidity on my part.

I think that the PC's relationship/meeting with Morrigan should wait until the sequel, because the fact that we don't know much about her means there's no way to predict how she reacts to the PC later on. She might have made plans with Flemeth, but regretted it once the PC showed her another side to the world. She might, as the epilogue sort of implies, be missing him.

Or she might have simply dismissed what you've told her for weakness and played the psychologically unsure, vulnerable woman to manipulate you into having the child. Or perhaps she actually started to like the PC, after trying to manipulate him. Thr problem is, we don't really know enough about her past to cancel out ANY of these possibilities (and more).

Dragon cultist, tool of Flemeth, secret ally of Flemeth, regretful, slightly damaged girl? We don't know whether she is, was or wants to become any of these. Personally, I'd like to gradually find out more about her (possibly based on what she does with the child later on).

I dont't want a happy ending, but I'd like to see whether she's started to feel that there's more to the world than she first thought, and how that affects the upbringig of my Warden's little demon.

So yeah, i don't want a dlc. It's trying to bend one of the most complex relationships in a Bioware game to the will of consumers to instantly gratify them. And, personally, I'd rather see her much later on and see if her time with the Warden changed anything about her, and, more importantly, I'd like to see the larger force behind the Dark Ritual. So no, a stick-on dlc with Morrigan is a bad idea, unless BW are saying otherwise.

EDIT- Read the first post (yeah, I know, idiot move not reading it
first), and I agree with Ozzy as far as feelings for Morrigan go.
BioWare have managed to emotionally attach me to the party member I know the least about, and this shows some truly ridiculous skills
on their part. So my final decision is:

I'm all good with a
Morrigan DLC, but it shouldn't be about giving the relationship another show, or the child or
anything related to the sequel's potential story arcs. That should wait til DA2. I'd like some information about her
and her background though (solid stuff, not just based on assumption),
so that I can finally make something of a decision on how to react to
her in a sequel.

QFT! I agree with everything you've said there about Morrigan- to me what makes her interesting and frustrating as a character is that we went through a whole game with her and yet we still truly know very little about her ( or Flemeth for that matter). I also agree that if we play as the DAO PC in a proper sequel, that I would prefer any main Morrigan relationship/reunion material be handled there as opposed to DLC.

That said, if you had a DLC set  in the Korcari Wilds,that could be the perfect opportunity to shed a little more light on Morrigan's upbringing and maybe reveal some more info on her and Flemeth's true motivations, whatever they may be. Plus you could have some more stuff with Chasind barbarians swooping down in the Wilds!

Oh and Tsamee- for probably just about every Morrigan related theory out there, check out this little group: http://social.bioware.com/group/622/

Modifié par Brockololly, 05 janvier 2010 - 06:47 .