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[The Angry One]

Levowitz wrote...

Flemeth is full of herself and thinks you can't kill her.

Just like some other witch we know who's name begins with M...

[Nosuchluck]

TeenZombie wrote...

Nosuchluck wrote...

IT'S NOT A DEMON KID.

Damnit, don't people ever listen to stuff ingame? It's a pure soul of the Old God. It's not evil.

Nope, but according to the lore, the darkspawn will be inexorably drawn to this Old God Baby, and will taint it again, if they find it.  I have no idea what Morrigan is planning to do with the kid, but hopefully it has something to do with stopping this cycle of Blights, and redeeming the remaining Old Gods.

I just really, really hope the story does get told, whether as an expansion, sequel, or book. 

It depends really. I don't think the baby can possibly have the telepathic abilities of a massive-godly dragon. I actually think trapped in a human body it's going to be no more powerful than a decent mage. The reason the Archdemon was so powerful was because of the Old Gods body, not his soul/spirit.

[The Angry One]

Nosuchluck wrote...

The reason she would prefer to make the deal is because then she can surprise Morrigan and steal her body. If she fights you and kills you then chances are Morrigan is going to flee for her life, actually that's probably why Morrigan doesn't come along to the fight. She probably thinks you'll fail.

She makes the deal not because she's scared of the player but because it puts her at more of an advantage.

And how would Morrigan know whether you succeed or fail until after the fight?
If Flemeth killed you all, how would Morrigan know when to flee?

Don't give me the ring business, that whole event can be done with or without it.

Modifié par The Angry One, 22 novembre 2009 - 10:57 .

[SageGaspar]

It's possible that Morrigan could just be a tool of pure manipulation with no feelings whatsoever, but that wasn't the sense I got from the game and it'd make her character much less interesting. I'm not sure why it's so crazy, it's her first time having close interaction with people besides her mother for an extended period of time. Even Bond had that first love affair before he hardened into the mission-over-the-man archetype!

Her boobs are pretty much irrelevent, all the female characters have similar boobage that you can put on display via Chasind robe

[The Angry One]

Nosuchluck wrote...

It depends really. I don't think the baby can possibly have the telepathic abilities of a massive-godly dragon. I actually think trapped in a human body it's going to be no more powerful than a decent mage. The reason the Archdemon was so powerful was because of the Old Gods body, not his soul/spirit.

Dragons are physically powerful but apart from that I'm not sure what a dragon's body has over a human one.
If the child turned out to be no more powerful than a decent mage, why bother with this whole thing?

[Levowitz]

The Angry One wrote...

Levowitz wrote...

Flemeth is full of herself and thinks you can't kill her.

Just like some other witch we know who's name begins with M...

I'm not even sure what you're arguing. I just explained why Flemeth didn't run from you. Morrigan -did- run from you, though I doubt it was because she feared you. (and again, I don't think it's because she thinks you can't kill her. more likely, I think it's because she just doesn't think you'll try.)

[Nosuchluck]

The Angry One wrote...

Nosuchluck wrote...

The reason she would prefer to make the deal is because then she can surprise Morrigan and steal her body. If she fights you and kills you then chances are Morrigan is going to flee for her life, actually that's probably why Morrigan doesn't come along to the fight. She probably thinks you'll fail.

She makes the deal not because she's scared of the player but because it puts her at more of an advantage.

And how would Morrigan know whether you succeed or fail until after the fight?
If Flemeth killed you all, how would Morrigan know when to flee?

Don't give me the ring business, that whole even can be done with or without it.

She's a magical mage. She can probably sense Morrigan, or maybe she can send a magical raven to watch the battle? Hell maybe she gave Zevran a few silver pieces to watch the battle and report back. There's a million explanations. It might be even simpler, that if you didn't turn up within the day she'd pack her bags and leave as fast as she could.

[frokenscheim]

Nosuchluck wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Nosuchluck wrote...

IT'S NOT A DEMON KID.

Damnit, don't people ever listen to stuff ingame? It's a pure soul of the Old God. It's not evil.

Nope, but according to the lore, the darkspawn will be inexorably drawn to this Old God Baby, and will taint it again, if they find it.  I have no idea what Morrigan is planning to do with the kid, but hopefully it has something to do with stopping this cycle of Blights, and redeeming the remaining Old Gods.

I just really, really hope the story does get told, whether as an expansion, sequel, or book. 

It depends really. I don't think the baby can possibly have the telepathic abilities of a massive-godly dragon. I actually think trapped in a human body it's going to be no more powerful than a decent mage. The reason the Archdemon was so powerful was because of the Old Gods body, not his soul/spirit.

Actually, the true power, the power to commnad the Darkspawn,  must've been in the spirit, otherwise the whole must be killed by a Grey Warden thing wouldn't be such an issue. Destroying the spirit is what really counts, the body's just a vessel. The spirit may even transform the body to suit its needs.

[mrao]

Dragons are physically powerful but apart from that I'm not sure what a dragon's body has over a human one.
If the child turned out to be no more powerful than a decent mage, why bother with this whole thing?

I 'm thinking that she will use it as a symbol to gather people around as an opposition to the chantry. That would be more interesting than just being an all powerful engine of destruction or something.

[The Angry One]

Nosuchluck wrote...

She's a magical mage. She can probably sense Morrigan, or maybe she can send a magical raven to watch the battle? Hell maybe she gave Zevran a few silver pieces to watch the battle and report back. There's a million explanations. It might be even simpler, that if you didn't turn up within the day she'd pack her bags and leave as fast as she could.

Um, no. If she could see that then she'd be able to see you letting Flemeth go and get the hell out of there.

[frokenscheim]

The Angry One wrote...

Nosuchluck wrote...

The reason she would prefer to make the deal is because then she can surprise Morrigan and steal her body. If she fights you and kills you then chances are Morrigan is going to flee for her life, actually that's probably why Morrigan doesn't come along to the fight. She probably thinks you'll fail.

She makes the deal not because she's scared of the player but because it puts her at more of an advantage.

And how would Morrigan know whether you succeed or fail until after the fight?
If Flemeth killed you all, how would Morrigan know when to flee?

Don't give me the ring business, that whole event can be done with or without it.

"Hmmm, let's see, well it's been two weeks since the Warden went off to kill mother; I think 'tis time to get the **** out of here."

[Melra]

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It depends really. I don't think the baby can possibly have the telepathic abilities of a massive-godly dragon. I actually think trapped in a human body it's going to be no more powerful than a decent mage. The reason the Archdemon was so powerful was because of the Old Gods body, not his soul/spirit.

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If it didn't have anything to do with soul/spirit, why would Grey Wardens be needed? Since it's said the soul will travel to closest darkspawn tainted thing, but if it just turned into Genlock Emissary with longer nails, there would be not that much of a need for the order.

Just my thoughts:whistle:

[The Angry One]

mrao wrote...

Dragons are physically powerful but apart from that I'm not sure what a dragon's body has over a human one.
If the child turned out to be no more powerful than a decent mage, why bother with this whole thing?

I 'm thinking that she will use it as a symbol to gather people around as an opposition to the chantry. That would be more interesting than just being an all powerful engine of destruction or something.

Who would she even get aside from a few apostates, blood mages and Tevinter hardliners she'd probably be able to gather anyway if she had any kind of political savvy.

[Nosuchluck]

frokenscheim wrote...

Nosuchluck wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Nosuchluck wrote...

IT'S NOT A DEMON KID.

Damnit, don't people ever listen to stuff ingame? It's a pure soul of the Old God. It's not evil.

Nope, but according to the lore, the darkspawn will be inexorably drawn to this Old God Baby, and will taint it again, if they find it.  I have no idea what Morrigan is planning to do with the kid, but hopefully it has something to do with stopping this cycle of Blights, and redeeming the remaining Old Gods.

I just really, really hope the story does get told, whether as an expansion, sequel, or book. 

It depends really. I don't think the baby can possibly have the telepathic abilities of a massive-godly dragon. I actually think trapped in a human body it's going to be no more powerful than a decent mage. The reason the Archdemon was so powerful was because of the Old Gods body, not his soul/spirit.

Actually, the true power, the power to commnad the Darkspawn,  must've been in the spirit, otherwise the whole must be killed by a Grey Warden thing wouldn't be such an issue. Destroying the spirit is what really counts, the body's just a vessel. The spirit may even transform the body to suit its needs.

True. I guess the Darkspawn might try to hunt the baby, but I doubt they'll be able to gather in enough force on the surface to be a real danger.

[Nosuchluck]

The Angry One wrote...

Nosuchluck wrote...

She's a magical mage. She can probably sense Morrigan, or maybe she can send a magical raven to watch the battle? Hell maybe she gave Zevran a few silver pieces to watch the battle and report back. There's a million explanations. It might be even simpler, that if you didn't turn up within the day she'd pack her bags and leave as fast as she could.

Um, no. If she could see that then she'd be able to see you letting Flemeth go and get the hell out of there.

Wahoo we've found a plot hole :happy:

Maybe she does know and is just bluffing? Iether way she has the book and believes she can use it to protect herself, but I have my doubts on that one.

Edit - I guess we could just assume she plan to leave if you didn't turn up. That still works.

Modifié par Nosuchluck, 22 novembre 2009 - 11:03 .

[Melra]

Bah too slow.

[The Angry One]

Darkspawn raids can be massive, the only reason darkspawn aren't numerous outside of Blights is that they're busy digging for the next old god.
If they thought there was a free old god on the surface instead you can bet the majority of them would be there instead.

Edit: Though I suppose Morrigan is gambling on the kid being grown, powerful and probably possessed by her before the darkspawn are able to replensh their forces after being whomped in the last Blight.

Modifié par The Angry One, 22 novembre 2009 - 11:05 .

[frokenscheim]

The Angry One wrote...

mrao wrote...

Dragons are physically powerful but apart from that I'm not sure what a dragon's body has over a human one.
If the child turned out to be no more powerful than a decent mage, why bother with this whole thing?

I 'm thinking that she will use it as a symbol to gather people around as an opposition to the chantry. That would be more interesting than just being an all powerful engine of destruction or something.

Who would she even get aside from a few apostates, blood mages and Tevinter hardliners she'd probably be able to gather anyway if she had any kind of political savvy.

I recall reading a note or having a converstion in the Circle Tower which indicated the current internal political climate within the Circle posed a serious possibility of civil war within the Circle in the near future.

[Jacks-Up]

David Gaider wrote...

Just as a question, let's say you romanced Morrigan and you *did* chase after her once the story is over. What would you expect to happen if you found her?

I find it hard to believe that you would honestly expect a reunion where you run towards each other across a field of grass, arms open to sweep each other up? Morrigan says, "you found me, you big silly! I know I told you to never come after me, but I was totally wrong!" And then you go off to raise your demon baby in a nice cottage with a white picket fence?

Or you think that, having found her, she will answer questions for you then? Do you intend to offer child support, what? I know that you were hoping for something *more* -- but that's part of the point. I obviously have my own ideas on where the story will go, but now I'm just really curious as to what sort of romantic reunion is being pictured here.

Who says it has to be romantic god baby interferes with my own plans to take over the world.  Both must die.

[Nosuchluck]

I'm not sure. Apparently the Darkspawn are really disorganised and just incapable of gathering en mass without a leader. I mean look what happens when the Archdemon dies, they lose all morale and just start fleeing for their lives. Sure they're in massive numbers underground but that's because the broodmothers are there pumping out a continous supply and organisation isn't really required in a tunnel.

[sidnn]

After finishing this awesome game and being dubious about the way things ended with morrigan, I concluded to the fact that morrigan wont raise any child and 99% that this was a scheme, in order to get the old god soul to become immortal like flemeth!

[Jacks-Up]

eyencee wrote...

i say she should be old in a next game and the protagonist should be you as that child /wich would explain the never seen again thing\\\\but with some sort of twist like you only get that peace of the story if you have the original game beat in your pc\\\\---ohh n has any one beat the game with a dwarf or elf yet?and got the romance morigan option? if its only for human character then that could be a gret way to begin human profession in the sequel wich would be cool cause that way it would leave this story line intact and people could focus on more unpredictible content {i dont wana know whats behind the door till i open it} but i will dish out the money if it makes my gaming experience larger and for dlc they should really add orlay and new mage gear and high heels for characters my girl plays this too and thinks her character looks stupid fat footed {i dunno} but yeah just some ideas we came up with e tought we would share

No that would be too much like BG and most have already agreed from a previous thread it would simply be a bad idea.

[The Angry One]

Nosuchluck wrote...

I'm not sure. Apparently the Darkspawn are really disorganised and just incapable of gathering en mass without a leader. I mean look what happens when the Archdemon dies, they lose all morale and just start fleeing for their lives. Sure they're in massive numbers underground but that's because the broodmothers are there pumping out a continous supply and organisation isn't really required in a tunnel.

According to the codex, there are some darkspawn who are intelligent enough to become warlords and impose their will over others, forming armies.
If they could sense an old god on the surface it might be sufficient motivation for an army to form and go after it.

[CChocobo]

IPerrin wrote...

The evil pc mage finds Morrigan, and the next dragon age, set 400 years in the future, the old legends are about the witch and warlock of the wilds.

Please don't have that as a story.. I highly doubt the PC would be chasing his witch around for 400 years.. In any case, i think the ending is fine, the only thing i want is more of the story. Whether it's "happy" i don't care which way they take it. This isn't The Sims, we're not going to go live in Redcliffe and raise the baby and take it to soccer practice. While Morrigan stays at home makes stew while the PC is off to "work" being a Grey Warden killing darkspawn and all.. I really wonder sometimes what people wanted out of it? I guess you wanted to "end" the game with her still as your companion?
I trust Mr. Gaider, as he's a brilliant writer and he even said he has some ideas as to where he's going to take it. I definately don't expect it to be all sweet and kisses and "Let's settle down!" There's a reason her character played an important piece in the game. We just so happened to be able to romance her, and thus people feel as if they're left hanging because the way she leaves. I think it added to the story. Life is never full of happy endings, maybe in movies, but this is Ferelden, not a romance comedy.. Jeeze.

[The Angry One]

Leaked script for Morrigan expansion:



In Dragon Age 2101 War was beginning.



Alistair: We get signal!

PC: It's you!

Morrigan: How are you gentlemen. All your old gods are belong to us.

PC: What you say!!

Morrigan: You have no chance to survive make your calling.

PC: Move every Grey Warden!

PC: For Great Maker!