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David Gaider wrote...

Just as a question, let's say you romanced Morrigan and you *did* chase after her once the story is over. What would you expect to happen if you found her?

I find it hard to believe that you would honestly expect a reunion where you run towards each other across a field of grass, arms open to sweep each other up? Morrigan says, "you found me, you big silly! I know I told you to never come after me, but I was totally wrong!" And then you go off to raise your demon baby in a nice cottage with a white picket fence?

Or you think that, having found her, she will answer questions for you then? Do you intend to offer child support, what? I know that you were hoping for something *more* -- but that's part of the point. I obviously have my own ideas on where the story will go, but now I'm just really curious as to what sort of romantic reunion is being pictured here.

I think the followup story will be more like the sequel prediction a blogger wrote a few days ago:

Given that the story generally pushed to make the PC to live on (there are more choices to allow the PC to live than die), and that the “Dark Ritual” ending is the most developed and revealing I’m betting the following basic plotline will be in Dragon Age 2.
 
The plotline of the second game would be about Flemmeth, the Dragon Cult, and a possible showdown between members of the Chantry and the Dragon Cultists. All of that while a political battle between Ferelden and Orlain possibly igniting a minor war, The Circle of the Magi, Blood Magic, the possible need to resurrect the Anvil and the reuniting of both City and Dalish elves as a single sovereign nation would be integral plotlines as well.

I think if Flemmeth is alive then she would seek revenge on Morrigan and reveal that ultimately the story of possessions are untrue in the fashion they’re told. That, the name “Flemmeth” is used in conjunction with the legend to better conceal and throw doubt as to the existence of the Dragon Cult (though that could be a DLC quest and not part of the sequel I suppose… discover the truth behind Flemmeth and afford yet another possible ending).

Ultimately what I'd like to see is the sequel take the work that the PC did to gain the approval and affection from Morrigan get rewarded. Flemmeth’s (replacing Loghain in terms of character purpose) return to corrupt the child would prompt Morrigan to seek help from the PC, if even for selfish reasons, thus giving opportunity to rekindle the lost relationship, but also put the two at odds given that Morrigan was the one who walked out despite the protests of the PC.  Morrigan would have to show bits of humanity and admit wrongs and submit to the weakness that is love - and at what cost? The answers would be in the sequel. This isn't to say that along the second journey the PC couldn't have relationships with other men or women, but the ultimate goal with Morrigan would be to get closure and continue the relationship or move on. A nice touch would be placed in a situation where you have to choose to kill her or defend her from death at the hands of some of your companions (or convince them to also defend her)

I think it would be neat if not perhaps too complicated in the mechanical process to have the sequel look at the save game files of the first game and allow the player to unlock main and plot dynamics based on which of the endings players achieved. It may be too intricate for the developers to worry about but Bioware is really good with complex storytelling and plot lines, so who knows?...

source: http://gameinformer....an-opinion.aspx

[LdyShayna]

Since the child could be either the PC or Alistair's progeny, I think having such a thing assume it is the PC's would be a mistake.  However, it WOULD have to assume that the player chose the ritual over sacrificing the PC or Alistair. I agree with others that the to be done properly, this sort of thing would be way too big for a DLC.   If an expansion or sequel used this as a jumping off point, though, wouldn't those who felt content with their sacrifice be upset?

[Shady314]

LdyShayna wrote...


Since the child could be either the PC or Alistair's progeny, I think having such a thing assume it is the PC's would be a mistake.  However, it WOULD have to assume that the player chose the ritual over sacrificing the PC or Alistair. I agree with others that the to be done properly, this sort of thing would be way too big for a DLC.   If an expansion or sequel used this as a jumping off point, though, wouldn't those who felt content with their sacrifice be upset?

Someone is ALWAYS upset. I learned to stop caring.

[Malsumis]

LdyShayna wrote...
If an expansion or sequel used this as a jumping off point, though, wouldn't those who felt content with their sacrifice be upset?

Why should they? Their characters tale has ended. But Bio won't use it as a jumping of point. I imagine the sequel/expansion might start off with several of the epilogue choices acting as origins. With the darkspawn warbands being the obvious threat, hiding the true threat whatever that might be. If they decide to continue with the PC.

Modifié par Malsumis, 23 novembre 2009 - 02:07 .

[CimmerianJester]

LdyShayna wrote...


Since the child could be either the PC or Alistair's progeny, I think having such a thing assume it is the PC's would be a mistake.  However, it WOULD have to assume that the player chose the ritual over sacrificing the PC or Alistair. I agree with others that the to be done properly, this sort of thing would be way too big for a DLC.   If an expansion or sequel used this as a jumping off point, though, wouldn't those who felt content with their sacrifice be upset?

This is mostly true, but there are other possibilities. Morrigan -- whether you romanced her or not -- was looking for a Grey Baby (heh). She could get this baby from the PC (if male), Alistair or Loghain (depending on which you kept around), or Riordan. Or, I suppose technically, your Mabari Hound since it's downed a lot of Darkspawn blood as well. I'm really thinking she'd go more for the men in this scenario, but she is a shapeshifter, and when duty calls...

Anyway you're looking at 4 realistic possibilities: Alistair, Loghain, your PC, or Riordan. Among those there is one variable in that Morrigan loved the PC or not and another variable as to whether the PC survived or not... So you're really only looking at 6 possible choices with 6 possible dialogue options to tie it all seamlessly into the next game.

Either way, if the writers want a Grey Baby, there will be one in DA2. Riordan is their escape hatch. Even if you refused to sleep with Morrigan, refused to allow Alistair/Loghain to do it, and chose instead to sacrifice yourself (or Alistair/Loghain), there is STILL the inevitability that Morrigan seduced the one Grey Warden present that you had no control over whatsoever: Riordan. Who conveniently died bringing the archdemon to ground, thus never giving us the opportunity to find out what actually happened.

In fact, if you played a female character in love with Alistair, I'd say this is the most likely planned-for scenario.

Of course this possibility does not explain why you would die killing the archdemon. If Morrigan accomplished her ritual with Riordan, why does the PC die making the final blow? Or why does Alistair die to save his female PC lover? Short answer: The ritual didn't work exactly as Morrigan planned? Or she didn't care to TRY and save you in that case (a woman scorned, my friends)? Doesn't matter.

Simply put, Bioware would be a pack of blithering idiots NOT to have DA2 based around the Grey Baby and his elusive Mage mother. And there are very few variables even to prepare for an effortless transition from DA:O to DA:2 in accomplishing this. Evidence points towards Bioware NOT being run by a pack of blithering idiots, and therefore I think it likely we'll have more Morrigan.

Which personally I want lots of. Game-sized expansion at LEAST, please.

Also, I'm hoping that having a kid will put some meat on her bones. As a video game female, the big breasts are pretty much prerequisite and I get that. But the elongated neck thing detracts from her hotness. Give Grey Mama some curves!

Yeah. Grey Mama. I'm calling her that next game.

[flippingthemako]

I just want the option to kill her and possibly kick her a few times after for good measure.

[CimmerianJester]

Scarlet Heroine wrote...

I just want the option to kill her and possibly kick her a few times after for good measure.

Also a distinct possibility, I'm sure!

Myself, I love Morrigan. I think she's an amazing character. But like any relationship (real-world or otherwise) you get back what you put in. There are many people who spend DA:O actively hating Morrigan, and she will of course hate you right back. Or there are many who were so-so towards her only to have her propose sleeping with Alistair... Which if you're playing a female character romancing Alistair is easily the unkindest cut. So yeah, kill the b****.

Regardless of what form the next batch of content takes, I'm certain we've not seen the last of Morrigan. Will it be DLC? An Expansion? A whole new game? Will we play our DA:O PC? The growing Grey Baby? A new Warden tasked with hunting down the Abomination-child? (David Gaider, I'm actually asking you. Not that I expect an answer for another couple of YEARS, but there it is...) All totally viable options.

I'm a victim of a serious knight-in-shining-armor Christ complex: a damaged vixen in need of love is irresistable to me. I *need* to save/redeem her. It's a thing. But that's me. Clearly Scarlet Heroine here (and many others) want to see justice done and slit Morrigan's throat.

Either way, I stand by my previous statement that Morrigan is the best character in this game. To invoke such polarized reactions in your audience is a sure sign you've made one HELL of a character. Love her or hate her (and clearly many DO), she creates a response. You don't get that strong a response without emotional investment in this game, and Morrigan helps create that.

Modifié par CimmerianJester, 23 novembre 2009 - 03:39 .

[th3warr1or]

The Angry One wrote...

Levowitz wrote...

I guess you really are angry, huh? I never got the impression Morrigan was immensely powerful but I did get the impression a couple times that she actually is Flemeth already.

People who put Morrigan on a pedestal merely because she flashes her boobs at them annoy the hell out of me (yeah I'm saying if Morrigan was dressed like a nun she wouldn't be half as popular!).
Whether she is or is not Flemeth is irrelevant, we've already beaten Flemeth once anyway.

Nah, you seriously think all guys are THAT shallow? Sure, we're shallow, but I like Morrigan simply because of her "bad-girl" attitude and she's gorgeous... like 10x more gorgeous than Leliana.. 

[Dherelv]

SIGNED!

[CimmerianJester]

th3warr1or wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Levowitz wrote...

I guess you really are angry, huh? I never got the impression Morrigan was immensely powerful but I did get the impression a couple times that she actually is Flemeth already.

People who put Morrigan on a pedestal merely because she flashes her boobs at them annoy the hell out of me (yeah I'm saying if Morrigan was dressed like a nun she wouldn't be half as popular!).
Whether she is or is not Flemeth is irrelevant, we've already beaten Flemeth once anyway.

Nah, you seriously think all guys are THAT shallow? Sure, we're shallow, but I like Morrigan simply because of her "bad-girl" attitude and she's gorgeous... like 10x more gorgeous than Leliana.. 

It's all about the attitude. Personally I found Lilliana's religious panderings really irritating. In truth, I like Morrigan's take on things a lot better than Lilliana's. I believe the Circle Mages are idiots for letting the Templars walk all over them, that the Chantry should have a LOT less influence over that society than they do, and that if there ARE Old Gods responsible for these Blights and the Darkspawn, we should find out what brought them to this point and fix the problem. Currently we only have the Chantry's word that the pride of man caused the Taint in the first place.

Frankly if Andraste were so damned special, why didn't the Maker send her the call before she was wed? If you're a god, why choose a married woman to chat up in the first place? I won't side with any god who chooses to dick around a marriage. I really disliked the entire Maker/Andrastian Religion. Those Chanters just pissed me off.

Which probably speaks volumes about my personal belief in organized religion as a whole, but I digress.

Morrigan by her nature is much more in keeping with my viewpoints as a person, so she appealed to me MUCH more than Lilliana.

Besides, Morrigan spent 90% of my game in the Reaper's Vestments while Lilliana was in Wade's Superior Drakescale. Technically Lil was sporting more skin than Morrigan, and her body is just as nice. Boobage isn't a special feature in video game women; it's prerequisite. Sad but true.

[pmalygris]

I couldn't kill her motha, she saved my life, gave me my mission. Although she did saddle me with that harpy of a daughter, I still felt I owed too much. So Morrigan beat it and I did'nt romance anyone. Just did my job, and took the hit at the end. I'm playing through now with a mage and Alistair is completly puppishly (hey mom a new word)in love with my pc.



I really really love the gentle teasing that Wynne does to Alistair it's histerical.



mal

[DiablosShadows]

@CimmerianJester



Morrigan wants a God child not a normal baby so Riordan and the dog cant do it since they cant deliver the final blow to the archdemon.

[SSGv2]

Dont you think this would big big enough for a full blown expansion rather than DLC?

[tom.bleaker]

It'll all end in tears...

[LdyShayna]

CimmerianJester wrote...
Of course this possibility does not explain why you would die killing the archdemon. If Morrigan accomplished her ritual with Riordan, why does the PC die making the final blow? Or why does Alistair die to save his female PC lover? Short answer: The ritual didn't work exactly as Morrigan planned? Or she didn't care to TRY and save you in that case (a woman scorned, my friends)? Doesn't matter.

This is my biggest beef with it, because I agree Riordan is a likely fall back plan for Morrigan.  The death of the Grey Warden who gave the killing blow, however, WOULD matter to me, and I would want it addressed, if only briefly, especially if they used the end save game to determine events and who the father was.

Evidence points towards Bioware NOT being run by a pack of blithering idiots, and therefore I think it likely we'll have more Morrigan.

I'm not as excited about it as others, and would prefer it if enough time had passed that such a sequel/expansion focused on the child rather than Morrigan.  But I'm mean like that.

[CimmerianJester]

DiablosShadows wrote...

@CimmerianJester

Morrigan wants a God child not a normal baby so Riordan and the dog cant do it since they cant deliver the final blow to the archdemon.

Yeah... Riordan was a Grey Warden too. The whole point of her ritual was that she had to sleep with a Grey Warden so the Warden Taint would transfer to the baby. This plus her blood-magic ritual gives the Archdemon's soul an irreistable beacon to be drawn to when slain, rather than jumping into either the nearest Darkspawn for reincarnation (if a "normal" killed it) or the Warden slaying it (if a Warden delivers the final blow), which sans-ritual kills the Warden.

Regardless of WHICH Warden delivered the final blow (or which Warden was the father, for that matter), my understanding was that the Archdemon would be drawn into the baby. Pity I don't have a copy of Flemeth's Grimoire handy to verify any of this speculation!

But Riordan is a Warden as well, so he could certainly do the deed as well as the others.

Also, the dog was a joke. At least I HOPE the dog was a joke...

Modifié par CimmerianJester, 23 novembre 2009 - 04:13 .

[Loregothe]

I am fairly sure that she would not welcome you back. You were a mistake, a weakness. She is moving on. She is Flemeth's daughter after all. The baby is about power. It was something she found in the grimoir. We don't know what, but something. Maybe protection from Flemeth. Either way, no good could come of tracking her down.



A. I promised I wouldn't, have I no honor?

B. I am sure my new wife the Queen would object.



The sequel will be interesting. I hope that the trend of leaving you with no honorable way of living through the adventure ceases though. For some reason people think killing of the main character is cool. DA, NWN2 (saved only by the soul of Mask), Fallout 3 (saved only by the add-on), and other games are using this now tired plot device. Please don't make that the default ending anymore. It is ok if there is an option for a heroic death, but I don't want to have created a demon child or "forcing" someone to die to avoid the fate. Basically, you are making a no win scenario.



Good game though. Will be interesting to see some of the other endings.

[LdyShayna]

CimmerianJester wrote...

Yeah... Riordan was a Grey Warden too. The whole point of her ritual was that she had to sleep with a Grey Warden so the Warden Taint would transfer to the baby. This plus her blood-magic ritual gives the Archdemon's soul an irreistable beacon to be drawn to when slain, rather than jumping into either the nearest Darkspawn for reincarnation (if a "normal" killed it) or the Warden slaying it (if a Warden delivers the final blow), which sans-ritual kills the Warden.

Regardless of WHICH Warden delivered the final blow (or which Warden was the father, for that matter), my understanding was that the Archdemon would be drawn into the baby. Pity I don't have a copy of Flemeth's Grimoire handy to verify any of this speculation!

But Riordan is a Warden as well, so he could certainly do the deed as well as the others.

This was my understanding as well.  I watched my husband play through Morrigan's proposition, and at no point does she suggest that she has to sleep with the Gery Warden who deals the final blow.  Indeed, she says specifically that the tainted but as yet 'empty' life within her would act as a beacon to draw the Old god spirit regardless.

Also, the dog was a joke. At least I HOPE the dog was a joke...

I'm ignoring it.  It's obviously a joke theory.

[CimmerianJester]

Loregothe wrote...

 ...For some reason people think killing of the main character is cool. DA, NWN2 (saved only by the soul of Mask), Fallout 3 (saved only by the add-on), and other games are using this now tired plot device. Please don't make that the default ending anymore. It is ok if there is an option for a heroic death, but I don't want to have created a demon child or "forcing" someone to die to avoid the fate. Basically, you are making a no win scenario.

Good game though. Will be interesting to see some of the other endings.

Agreed! I get the concept of "Dark Fantasy", but there is a reason why heroes are heroes, and it shouldn't ALWAYS be to go down with the ship, so to speak.

[TurboCaptain]

Signed x1000

[mscotch]

I just hope they make a sequel or expansion as soon as possible. DLC is fine but if it doesn't continue the story, it's a lot less interesting to me. I wouldn't mind finding out what happened with the whole dark ritual thing though.

[Lucy Glitter]

This has probably already been said... b-uuu-t, can't you accept that in such tumultuous times there won't always be a happy ending? They have their own duties to take on. They have responsibilites. Giving up everything for love is a wonderful thing, but it is foolish in such a situation. Very, very foolish.

Morrigan, in the end, is Morrigan. It was indeed sad that it had to end that way, but the romantic in me still kind of likes that ending, sad as it may be for the Warden. The PC and Morrigan share a bond that I doubt will ever be broken, and that is a memorable thing indeed. I mean, I would like to see if anything happens with The Warden and I would like them to be together very much so, but I don't know if that will really happen. 

I mean, I'd kill for another story with The Warden and her companions! I really would, but I am dubious if they will do it. 

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 23 novembre 2009 - 05:01 .

[Cammy2709]

I don't understand why people are worried about this possible concept only being DLC. I know this is a really silly comparison but look at Elder Scrolls' Shivering Isles expansion. Now that was one hell of a dlc. All things considered it had nothing to do with the actual plot of the main story but it was still hugely fun and thoroughly integrated into the rest of the game. Now if BioWare are going to be true to their word and dish out content for a further two years, this dlc concept should hardly be a problem. I myself would gladly wait for it providing it was done well. They can tease us at the moment with these Warden's Keep and Return to Ostagar but eventually, they will have to release something much more substantial. Looking at the fanbase this game has created, they should know they would rake in the cash. Here's hoping for the DLC.



/signed

[tom.bleaker]

Going after Morrigan or whatever seems more like a side quest rather than a main quest, anyway. Obviously, the child could possibly be a big deal in the future, but that would most likely be after the PC has died in the Deep Roads in the final stages of the darkspawn taint. I don't understand all the dubious remarks about DLC, either. "The Stone Prisoner" was a DLC, after all, and that was a fully fleshed out story.

[Neil Decurio]

I so wanted to use the ring Morrigan gave me, to track her down :-/