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[alperez]

Recently replaying through an me2 runthrough i decided to paragon romance Jack, for anyone who's done so they'll probably remember how different her character becomes if she's romanced this way, anway while doing this it suddenly struck me that she probably wouldn't handle the fact of Shepard's trial very well.

Now we're probably going to start right at the trial itself and we won't see Shepard's crew until later, but if we consider its more than likely that irrespective of how you play Shepard will volunteer to be taken for the trial itself. Simply because if they attempted to take Shepard by force then i don't see how that would work, attacking the normandy is a no no, arresting Shepard once he leaves the normandy would lead to the crew coming up with a plan to rescue him imo.

So either the crew leaves before Shepard goes on trial or Shepard explains to them why he needs to go on trial and they leave then, either way though some characters should really have an issue with this especially for example a romanced Jack.

How do you think each squadmate would react to Shepard telling them he must face trial for his actions?

[CrutchCricket]

I was just thinking of how each squad member leaves and I did consider how Shepard's LI would take the news of the trial. But I don't know how the others would take it. I'll get back to you.

[mauro2222]

The crew leaves before the trial. If they resist or try to rescue Shepard, they are adding charges against him.

Modifié par mauro2222, 03 novembre 2011 - 05:05 .

[mauro2222]

In Jack case, I don't think she's going to take it lightly. She finally finds someone who cares for her, who actually listens to what she wants and needs, and then suddenly the guy has to leave her to defend himself alone, against a bunch of idiotic bureaucrats.

[alperez]

mauro2222 wrote...

The crew leaves before the trial. If they resist or try to rescue Shepard, they are adding charges against him.

I get that, but seriously you think Grunt would just accept seeing his battlemaster on trial for something he can't see any wrong in or Garrus with his whole anti authority chip on his shoulder would just accept that its right and proper that Shepard stands trial for something he sees no wrong in?

[rapscallioness]

Well, I think it would also depend on how they actually feel about Shepard's Arrival actions. Do they agree w/ Shep.? Are they repulsed by Shep.'s actions? Or are they confused about how they feel towards Shep now?

We didn't get any of that feedback. So it's hard to tell how they'd feel about the "trial". Even tho, it was mentioned that Shep wasn't so much being arrested and put on trial, as Shep seems to be going in to answer some questions in an Investigation. (a tweet from MacWalters).

However, in Conviction they have Shep. in the brig being guarded by Vega..and show Shep in chains! So, it's hard to tell what BW is actually doing w/ this "Trial/Investigation". I think your squad's reaction would depend on how they feel abt. the Arrival stuff in the first place. And just how this trial plays out. If it's just a stiff investigation, then they might not be too upset...if they're alright w/ Arrival actions.

But if it gets ugly, then they might be p.o'd.

I just wonder if the thing will be televised like a congressional hearing, or something. So your squad, wherever they are, would see what was going on?

[alperez]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

I'm interested to know what will happen to Shepard when he goes to trail because surely he can't be convicted and sent to prison like we would?

He'll be Lohan'ed, sentenced to 30 days in prison but allowed to defer this until he does his playboy shoot.

[mauro2222]

alperez wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

The crew leaves before the trial. If they resist or try to rescue Shepard, they are adding charges against him.

I get that, but seriously you think Grunt would just accept seeing his battlemaster on trial for something he can't see any wrong in or Garrus with his whole anti authority chip on his shoulder would just accept that its right and proper that Shepard stands trial for something he sees no wrong in?

All of them are going to feel upset, angry or even in a rage state. They can't do anything besides of letting Shepard go in peace. The only ones that can actually do something about it are Mordin and Samara (I'm not so sure about her, in asari space or for another asari, her words are pure truth, but for the Alliance?). Mordin is member of the Salarian Special Task Group, his words should have some weight. Grunt would likely go to Tuchanka, Shepard is his battlemaster, but Wrex is his Clan Leader. Jack, I told you before. Garrus would likely go to see his sister and sick mother. Samara is going to be on Shepard's trial or in the Justicar temple, informing the rest of the order. Legion with the rest of the geth or with the quarians. Tali, this one is difficult, if she was found guilty and exiled, where the hell is she? Besides she is quarian, they created the geth, and humans didn't take very well the Eden Prime war. Jacob and Miranda are Cerberus to the eyes of the Alliance. Zaeed is a mercenary. Kasumi, if you let her keep the grey box, she is probably hiding, if not, don't know where. Thane is dead or with Kolyat.

[CptData]

Actually I want to see a prologue for ME3 that explains at which point Shepard returns to Earth "to face the music". And of course I wanna know what's going to happen with any SMS (Suicide Mission Survivor) ^^

[alperez]

CptData wrote...

Actually I want to see a prologue for ME3 that explains at which point Shepard returns to Earth "to face the music". And of course I wanna know what's going to happen with any SMS (Suicide Mission Survivor) ^^

As do i, unfortunately i reckon that's not what we'll get instead it'll probably be Shepard sitting in a cell then being brought out to face the music, the reapers attack, shepard gets on the normandy where he meets the VS and Vega and then its off to try and stop the reapers and meet up with the different squadmates along the way.

[alperez]

mauro2222

How you put it is pretty much exactly how i expect it to be, i just think that

1. not being able to do anything about it kinda doesn't really work, seriously we have a crew who just went through the omega relay to face a force they knew very little about, yet they can't do anything about Shepard being on trial in a place they would have many more details about.

2. it doesn't imo fit a lot of the characters that even if Shepard said this needed to be done they'd just go along with it, Grunt and Garrus were just 2 examples of this, the LI's make it even more complicated

3. Jack being a prime example of this, for the very reasons you've spelt out.

Its not so much how they will react as how we'd think they would, since we know pretty much how the reacton will be handled i was looking more for how people would expect the characters to react and whether those reactions would fit into the probable scenario we'll be given.

[ladyvader]

This is a great thread to speculate on reactions of those that have worked with Shepard.

I think everyone would be very supportive of Shepard and not happy with the BS that is going on with the politics. As with many politicians, they like to keep their head in the sand and not see what is actually going on around them.

I really thing every member of the crew and all squad mates will not be on the Normandy when Shepard turns her/himself in to the Alliance. The only people that will be on the ship is Joker and maybe Dr. Chakwas.

The Cerberus crew really needs to be off the Normandy because I do believe they would be arrested if they are still on board. It's my understanding, all Cerberus personal are wanted by the Alliance. Which I find odd when Shepard goes to the Citadel more than once and no one gets taken into custody.

[CrutchCricket]

Ok here's how it plays out for me. Shadow Broker and Arrival occur after the SM. So after a few days of rest and recouperation some of the more wild elements of the squad start getting antsy. The mission's done, they've survived, they want to move on. They're loyal to Shepard in that if he needs it, they'll help him again but they're not fixing to be permanent crew. So here's how it goes down.

Zaeed is the first to ask to leave. He's a merc, job's done he has bags of money (Cerberus still payed even though you told off TIM) he wants to spend it. He thinks about it, and ultimately decides to start at Omega (maybe he's not ready to retire just yet and wants to chat with the Blue Suns). He asks Shepard to drop him off. Shepard does and while he's docked Jack also slips out. No explanation. She does leave some sort of "thanks for not getting me killed" message. But ultimately she figures she's still a convict and Shepard helped clear her head but he might still turn her in (I didn't romance her and didn't talk much past her loyalty mission). By the time of the trial Zaeed's running another merc band and Jack is part of a pirate crew. They hear of the trial and disapprove but they're both on the wrong side of the law and aren't the best people to ride to the rescue. Ultimately they carry on with their problems.

Samara and Thane are the next to leave. Samare considers her mission completed and asks Shepard to release her from her vow. He does and drops her off on Illium. It's unclear where she goes since her mission is over but she likely soon books passage back to asari space. Thane asks to go back to the Citadel to spend more time with his son. When the trial hits Samara is pursuing another dangeous criminal and doesn't pay attention to the news (really I'm not sure how she'd take Shepard destroying an entire system). Thane feels for Shepard but doesn't want to involve himself for fear of this negatively impacting Kolyat.

Mordin recieves a message from some old STG contacts that an issue has arisen with the genophage. He requests to be dropped off on Tuchanka. While enroute Shepard overhears Grunt expressing an interest in Urdnot rituals. Shepard offers to leave him with Urdnot for a while. Grunt tentatively accepts but makes Shepard swear to come back and get him before the next big fight. Shepard agrees. By the time news of the trial reaches Tuchanka Shepard has already escaped. Grunt is contemptuous of human leaders. Mordin is not surprised.

Surprisingly Jacob is the next one who wants to leave. He has some former military contacts he can recruit and his reasoning is that if Cerberus comes after the Normandy and somehow gets the ship, they should have a backup (Arrival hasn't happened yet). He's dropped on on a small colony world. Miranda is sad to see him go. When the trial hits Jacob immediately makes plans to launch a rescue. However he is contacted by the Shadow Broker (you know who^_^) and told to wait as he doesn't have the right resources and the problem will take care of itself.

By the time Arrival does occur you have Miranda<3, Kasumi, Legion Tali and Garrus. After Hackett leaves Shepard decides they can't get captured with him; Miranda for her Cerberus knowledge, Legion for the Geth, Kasumi for the graybox and Tali and Garrus, well because they're pals. Miranda would've gone with Jacob to gather allies but she elected to stay behind and use EDI to get as much information from Cerberus as she could.  Shepard convinces her to take Legion and Kasumi in the shuttle and go before they're captured. They don't want to but after a bit of an argument it's finally resolved. Shepard and Miranda share an intimate goodbye (no, not that kind, that was already done earlier). Shepard and Kasumi similarily share a non-romantic but still significant farewell. Legion is the last to board the shuttle. Before he does he turns and offers his hand, finally having understood the gesture. Shepard smiles and recognition and shakes back. The shuttle departs to parts unknown. When they hear of the trial they spring into action but are similarly restrained by the Shadow Broker from mounting a rescue. Miranda in particular is fearful for Shepard and furious at the Alliance's cowardice.

What about Tali and Garrus? Well Shepard tries to convince them to leave but they're having none of it. They'll stick by him to the end. Shepard finally gives up. When he is captured, so are they. By Hackett's orders however they are soon released. Tali is due to be returned to the Migrant Fleet. Garrus rages at the injustice and tries to take action. He is about to be arrested but the Shadow Broker interferes, gets him away and again bides him to wait. Don't we just love the new blue version?

Sorry for the huge wall, the narrative got a hold of me. Perhaps I'll make this into a proper story.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 03 novembre 2011 - 05:58 .

[alperez]

CrutchCricket

Excellent post very well thought out and its exactly the sort of thing i was looking for someone to post, kudos.

[Another_Golden_Dragon]

Or maybe Shepard just uses one of his/her blue lines. (S)He is such a talker, after all.

[mauro2222]

Another_Golden_Dragon wrote...

Or maybe Shepard just uses one of his/her blue lines. (S)He is such a talker, after all.

The red ones work too.

Team: Commander, we have to leave.
Paragon Shepard: I love you guys
Team: Aww... we love you too commander, we will stay with you.

Team: Commander, we have to leave.
Renegade Shepard: The first one who puts a foot outside the ship gets a bullet in the head.
Team: ...Okokok great commander, we will do as you say my Lord.

Modifié par mauro2222, 03 novembre 2011 - 06:37 .

[Ohei]

I think that if they include a pre-investigation scene in the intro, the crew & squadmates should be gathered by Shepard as a direct sequel to Arrival, and the commander should tell them what is about to happen beforehand. You get a cool debriefing with the ME2 characters that survived the Suicide Mission and as a bonus, if you romanced someone in ME2 and they are still alive, you could get a closure to the scene in the following way: the crew & squad leave the room and your LI, whoever it is, stays longer for a one-of-a-kind conversation in which they tell you how they -- personally and not entirely professionally, feel about the whole situation and if they are concerned about Shepard or not, wishing the commander luck or assuring him or her that it will be alright, that they will surely meet again with some little romantic stuff thrown in (God forbid CHEESINESS) and then you turn to a different scene belonging to the intro. That'd be interesting.

[CptBomBom00]

CrutchCricket

Man this is an excellent post, I hope this is what happens in ME3,looking forward.

[KawaiiKatie]

I like to think that Jack wouldn't abandon a Shepard who romanced her, but I guess Bioware has other ideas. <_<

[alperez]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

I like to think that Jack wouldn't abandon a Shepard who romanced her, but I guess Bioware has other ideas. <_<

That's one of my biggest problems concerning the whole trial aspect itself, for a romance Jack it makes absolutely no sense that she would either abandon Shepard pre trial or even be ok with the fact that Shepard is standing trial at all, other LI's also would have issues but are more explainable imo.

Miranda being a cerberus operative simply couldn't go to earth as there'd be a danger that her links to cerberus would lead to her own arrest, this is the same with Jacob.

The VS whichever one survive as an alliance soldier (although now a spectre) would probably understand the reasoning behind why Shepard is on trial and why Shepard would accept this, however in Ashley's case given her family history she really should have a serious issue with this.

Tali considering her own experiences with her own trial really shouldn't be overly concerned simply because she allowed Shepard to speak for her so she should be able to trust that if anyone can put forward a convincing case it would be Shepard.

Garrus given he already has problems with the bureacrats that run the legal systems in the galaxy shoudn't really be able to be talked out of coming up with a plan to rescue Shepard if Shepard's found guilty, the character arc and the way they've shown him to handle things so far would need to be abandoned completely in order for Garrus not to feel this way imo.

Thane being an assassin may be placing himself in danger on earth, that along with the fact he's dying and Kolyat may be enough to keep him from even thinking about trying something, although since he's dying anyway and he lost his wife a romanced Thane may feel the need to rescue Shepard as a last final act, saving the person he loves before he dies something he was unable to do once already.

Which brings me to Jack, the whole character arc if romanced screams that she'd be the least likely person to just accept Shepard's trial irrespective of whether or not it was voluntary on Shepard's part, part of her character arc when romanced is the whole feeling that no one could ever really care about her and that she would just be used and tossed aside once again.

Shepard basically changes that and brings into focus her other worries, which are even if she found someone who did care for her that something would come up and ruin her happiness, its the whole point of the little story she tells you regarding her previous love and like Thane she was unable to do anything to save that lover, so that plus her natural personality and her own experiences of being incarcerated doesn't really fit in with someone who just leaves or accepts that Shepard being on trial is the right thing.

[Varus Praetor]

I love the idea of one of the more passionate characters (Garus, Grunt, or an LI) getting ready to take out some guards to bust Shepard out but having Liara stop them b/c she's in "the know."

If BW has everyone bail on us somehow before the trial, I'm going to be pretty pissed. I busted my ass to make sure all of them survived and they'd better show some loyalty.

[ladyvader]

Varus Praetor wrote...

I love the idea of one of the more passionate characters (Garus, Grunt, or an LI) getting ready to take out some guards to bust Shepard out but having Liara stop them b/c she's in "the know."

If BW has everyone bail on us somehow before the trial, I'm going to be pretty pissed. I busted my ass to make sure all of them survived and they'd better show some loyalty.

In the long run, they are better off leaving actually. With Shepard's blessing.  The Cerberus perosonal are in danger themselves by being Cerberus.  The Alliance does have a policy of arresting them if caught.  

Also keep in mind, Mac Walters has stated that is more of an investigation than an actual trial and last a few weeks.