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[Thibax]

Please, no C&C type game.

If it is one, I prefer another rpg game, mainly, if it is open world.

[aries1001]

Youd know, hopefully?, that Bioware's 2nd game, Baldur's Gate originally were to just that - an RTS, called Battleground Infinity. In the end only the engine, The Infinity Engine, survived. I have no interest in RTS or MMO-games. However, from the info gathered so far, I'd guess that Bioware is branching out - into the RTS, or RTS/FPS og RTS/RPG side of things. Bioware will then now have 1) an rpg department 2) an MMO deparment and 3) an RTS department. (and maybe an FPS department, too....)

From my view of things, this is great --- as this means that Bioware doesn't put all its egg in one basket, but are spreading (or diversifying?) the money risk a bit - or, in fact, a lot. I do agree, however, from the very tiny 3-5 second of actual footage that it looks like a Command&Conquer: Generals game.

[Ghost Lightning]

Thibax wrote...

Please, no C&C type game.

If it is one, I prefer another rpg game, mainly, if it is open world.

This. Those spawning type Star Craft style RTS games are boring IMHO. I hope they make a new RPG. Also, I don't really see how the first look game footage matches with that pic of the desert thing.

[Gatt9]

aries1001 wrote...

Youd know, hopefully?, that Bioware's 2nd game, Baldur's Gate originally were to just that - an RTS, called Battleground Infinity. In the end only the engine, The Infinity Engine, survived. I have no interest in RTS or MMO-games. However, from the info gathered so far, I'd guess that Bioware is branching out - into the RTS, or RTS/FPS og RTS/RPG side of things. Bioware will then now have 1) an rpg department 2) an MMO deparment and 3) an RTS department. (and maybe an FPS department, too....)

From my view of things, this is great --- as this means that Bioware doesn't put all its egg in one basket, but are spreading (or diversifying?) the money risk a bit - or, in fact, a lot. I do agree, however, from the very tiny 3-5 second of actual footage that it looks like a Command&Conquer: Generals game.

I'm afraid I have to point something out here.

Bioware doesn't exist.

Electronic Arts,  OTOH,  does.  Bioware was completely bought by EA,  The name is all that's left.  So it's not that Bioware's branching out,  it's that EA is moving development under the Bioware name because the Bioware name still has a bit of credibility,  while they ran the previous C&C studios into the ground.

It's an easy mistake to make,  mainly because EA fully intends for you to make it.  Notice how it's "Bioware announcing...",  Bioware isn't announcing anything.  EA is.

Which,  you really should expect everything that an EA title is known for.

Also the Public statement Bioware has always made is that they make great games with story, that just happen to be RPG's. Bioware is in the market to make games reguardless of where and how they go

Actually,  that didn't start until EA took over.  Bioware took pride in making RPG's,  Bioware took so much pride in making RPG's that they switched publishing contracts just to be able to use RPG Licenses (They switched from Interplay to Atari just to be able to use the license to develop Neverwinter Nights).

Bioware went to great lengths to make RPG's.

Then EA took over.

And one of the finest RPG developers quit shortly after,  and the ME series was handed over to people who have no idea what an RPG is.  (Hint:  Go look up the first slide of Christina Norman's presentation on lessons learned from ME2,  and contemplate what's wrong with the pictures)

Solution: She tries to gain street cred by using RPG pictures...and not realizing the original game was Advanced Dungeons and Dragons until 3rd edition,  she used a picture of a beginner set.  Nor apparently is she aware of what dice are used in D&D,  her stack is all 6-sided. 

Modifié par Gatt9, 24 novembre 2011 - 12:26 .

[Reptilian Rob]

Oh, good. Just what I always wanted, another military shooter.

*Shoots self in head*

You know EA, maybe the way to set yourself apart from Call of Camp is to do just that, SET YOURSELF A FUUUUUCKING PART!

[Bryy_Miller]

Gatt9 wrote...
Bioware doesn't exist.

Electronic Arts,  OTOH,  does.  Bioware was completely bought by EA,  The name is all that's left.  So it's not that Bioware's branching out,  it's that EA is moving development under the Bioware name because the Bioware name still has a bit of credibility,  while they ran the previous C&C studios into the ground.

It's an easy mistake to make,  mainly because EA fully intends for you to make it.  Notice how it's "Bioware announcing...",  Bioware isn't announcing anything.  EA is.

Which,  you really should expect everything that an EA title is known for.

Bioware went to great lengths to make RPG's.

Then EA took over.

And one of the finest RPG developers quit shortly after,  and the ME series was handed over to people who have no idea what an RPG is.  (Hint:  Go look up the first slide of Christina Norman's presentation on lessons learned from ME2,  and contemplate what's wrong with the pictures)

Solution: She tries to gain street cred by using RPG pictures...and not realizing the original game was Advanced Dungeons and Dragons until 3rd edition,  she used a picture of a beginner set.  Nor apparently is she aware of what dice are used in D&D,  her stack is all 6-sided. 

I'm sorry, Gatt, but that entire post is just too Ragey to be taken seriously. It honestly sounds like you went to great lengths to find information but then sadly twist it to your own view.

[Pink_leaf]

Wow!!! The great Bioware to do Call of duty 10. Way to go Bioware, you have hit a all time low.

Don't they get it? They where at the top of the ladder when they released DAO. Why climb back down?

[Savber100]

Pink_leaf wrote...

Wow!!! The great Bioware to do Call of duty 10. Way to go Bioware, you have hit a all time low.

Don't they get it? They where at the top of the ladder when they released DAO. Why climb back down?

1. Bioware is part of EA. 

2. Who said that Bioware is making a military FPS? 

[HiroVoid]

Meh. I'll wait and see until we get details. Looks like Bioware'll try to get the first-person RPG market to me, but again, details are needed first.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

There has been lots of controversies in Bioware Forums about how much cool or gross decisions have made their games masterpiece or garbage ...
The time for Bioware RPG branch to die is coming soon and they will work on less controversial genres and satisfying games for everyone.
Deal With it! *Evil lol*

[Il Divo]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

I'm sorry, Gatt, but that entire post is just too Ragey to be taken seriously. It honestly sounds like you went to great lengths to find information but then sadly twist it to your own view.

You get used to it after a while.

[KenKenpachi]

Gatt9 wrote...

And one of the finest RPG developers quit shortly after,  and the ME series was handed over to people who have no idea what an RPG is.  (Hint:  Go look up the first slide of Christina Norman's presentation on lessons learned from ME2,  and contemplate what's wrong with the pictures)

Solution: She tries to gain street cred by using RPG pictures...and not realizing the original game was Advanced Dungeons and Dragons until 3rd edition,  she used a picture of a beginner set.  Nor apparently is she aware of what dice are used in D&D,  her stack is all 6-sided. 

Wow your an Uber Nerd Arn't you?

Serriously...thats sad, also I don't give a **** for D&D style Rping, I'll happily stick to my JRPG style back in the day thanks. Also what Miller said.

Also Ea HAS made some good games.

Anyways I'm not seeing it being an RTS, It may be a vechiel based or assited Shooter, and thats more in line with Mercenaries than Call of Duty, and the first one in that franchise was damn good, the 2nd was crap, and EA owns the rights to it...but at the same time I just don't see it being a C&C ttile, or even a real world shooter. Its somewhat cartoony and gritty...it may be an RPG, never know. 

But **** screw being reassonable, lets burn bioware and EA to the ground, just because its EA.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 24 novembre 2011 - 01:40 .

[Candidate 88766]

I for one hope it is a Command and Conquer game. The older ones are fantastic, but the ones after Generals have been pretty lacklustre. Its been far too long since a good C&C game. Judging by the pictures, Generals 2 could be on the cards - footage of tanks and an image of a technical getting blown up. Maybe, just maybe...

It'll also be nice to see Bioware do something new, something outside their comfort zone. They've made a lot of very good RPGs but they have six studios now - it'd be nice to see at least one of them try something outside of Bioware's comfort zone. An RTS seems ideal - its not a hugely crowded market like the shooter one or the sports ones. And if Bioware can add their signature storytelling style to an RTS then it could be amazing.

[Boiny Bunny]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...
Bioware doesn't exist.

Electronic Arts,  OTOH,  does.  Bioware was completely bought by EA,  The name is all that's left.  So it's not that Bioware's branching out,  it's that EA is moving development under the Bioware name because the Bioware name still has a bit of credibility,  while they ran the previous C&C studios into the ground.

It's an easy mistake to make,  mainly because EA fully intends for you to make it.  Notice how it's "Bioware announcing...",  Bioware isn't announcing anything.  EA is.

Which,  you really should expect everything that an EA title is known for.

Bioware went to great lengths to make RPG's.

Then EA took over.

And one of the finest RPG developers quit shortly after,  and the ME series was handed over to people who have no idea what an RPG is.  (Hint:  Go look up the first slide of Christina Norman's presentation on lessons learned from ME2,  and contemplate what's wrong with the pictures)

Solution: She tries to gain street cred by using RPG pictures...and not realizing the original game was Advanced Dungeons and Dragons until 3rd edition,  she used a picture of a beginner set.  Nor apparently is she aware of what dice are used in D&D,  her stack is all 6-sided. 

I'm sorry, Gatt, but that entire post is just too Ragey to be taken seriously. It honestly sounds like you went to great lengths to find information but then sadly twist it to your own view.

It is written with anger - but makes a very good point.  Since releasing ME2 in particular, Bioware has become a very marketable brand.  If EA wants to make a new modern warfare type game, be it FPS or RTS, or some hybrid, there is a good deal of sense in putting it under the Bioware label - even if it really has utterly nothing to do with Bioware or any of their current staff.

[Candidate 88766]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

It is written with anger - but makes a very good point.  Since releasing ME2 in particular, Bioware has become a very marketable brand.  If EA wants to make a new modern warfare type game, be it FPS or RTS, or some hybrid, there is a good deal of sense in putting it under the Bioware label - even if it really has utterly nothing to do with Bioware or any of their current staff.

EA wouldn't ask Bioware to make a military FPS - Bioware has no previous FPS experience (a necessity in this stupidly over-crowded genre). Besides, EA owns DICE - one of best shooter developers out there atm.

An RTS, on the other hand, could be very interesting - and Bioware can probably put a unique spin on the genre. They have some common elements with RPGs - progression, skill-trees - and Bioware may be able to apply their signature cinematic story-telling approach to an RTS in a way that hasn't really been done before.

[CheshireBlue]

Isn't this supposed to be the third iteration of the Mercenaries franchise, or, as they've begun calling it, Mercs, Inc. ?

Modifié par CheshireBlue, 24 novembre 2011 - 10:56 .

[KenKenpachi]

CheshireBlue wrote...

Isn't this supposed to be the third iteration of the Mercenaries franchise, or, as they've begun calling it, Mercs, Inc. ?

See thats what I'm wondering given Pandemic Studios was shut down.

[SavoyPrime77]

It's being outed as a Command & Conquer game. Instant pass for me. The fact that Bioware's name is even being slapped onto anything that is not a RPG (whether it is one of their side studios or HQ) is just wrong. But that's my opinion.

[Boiny Bunny]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

It is written with anger - but makes a very good point.  Since releasing ME2 in particular, Bioware has become a very marketable brand.  If EA wants to make a new modern warfare type game, be it FPS or RTS, or some hybrid, there is a good deal of sense in putting it under the Bioware label - even if it really has utterly nothing to do with Bioware or any of their current staff.

EA wouldn't ask Bioware to make a military FPS - Bioware has no previous FPS experience (a necessity in this stupidly over-crowded genre). Besides, EA owns DICE - one of best shooter developers out there atm.

An RTS, on the other hand, could be very interesting - and Bioware can probably put a unique spin on the genre. They have some common elements with RPGs - progression, skill-trees - and Bioware may be able to apply their signature cinematic story-telling approach to an RTS in a way that hasn't really been done before.

You're missing my point.

The 'new Bioware studio' is actually a new EA studio.  There is a sizable chance that when it was created, it was simply labelled a 'Bioware' studio, but otherwise has nothing to do with Bioware.  No shared employees, and making an independent game that is nothing like prior Bioware titles.

Bioware is nothing more than an EA brand.  If EA wanted to, they could strip the 'Bioware' brand from ME altogether, and replace it with the Visceral Games brand (the EA brand that does Dead Space).  It wouldn't make much sense, but if they thought more people would buy it if this happened, they would do it.

[sympathyforsaren]

I couldn't care less or be any less interested in what this "new game" is. It looks like another shooter. I'm just glad Skyrim is out

[Monica83]

from rpg makers to button awesome...

ah.. the sadness

[Chris Priestly]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

You're missing my point.....

While I can't comment on the new game/studio thing, I can say that this sort of complaint really burns my onion. I've been with BioWare going on 11 years now and have heard this complaint a lot.

When we made Neverwinter Nights, we were bad for not making Baldur's Gate 3.

When we made Knights of  the Old Republic, we were "abandoning" our fantasy fans for moving to Sci-Fi, we were abandoning our PC fans by making an xbox game and we were tools of Lucasarts for working on their IP.

When we made Jade Empire, it was more of the same. "Get back to DnD", "Make BG3 already", "stop making console games for the kiddies and get back to your PC game roots", and a new "whay aren't you making KotOR 2 instead of this?", etc.

Then was made Mass Effect and became tools of Microsoft because there was no PS3 verion. And we were still scum for not making a fantasy game, PC exclusive, etc.

Then came Dragon Age Origins and we were awful for making games for Playstation 3 instead of keeping them exclusive to Xbox 360 consoles and for creating our own IP instead of returning to DnD.

Then we dared to try to make an MMO. We again fell victim to Lucasarts and were horrible for making an MMO and not a KotOR 3 which all true fans really wanted, how we had no knowledge to make an MMO, how we should use the staff and time to make anything/everything else, etc.

Now something else is on the way and this again seems to challenge the view that some people have about what BioWare is or should do. It must be EA MAKING/FORCING them do something. It will be horrible because it doesn't conform to what I think BioWare should do or has historically done. This will be awful because I have seen 1 screenshot and a few seconds of video and have made up my mind already.

Well, hopefully, we'll prove you wrong. Hopefully those of you complaining (and I know most of you are taking the much more sensible "wait and see" approach) will learn the details starting with the VGA awards and then more as time progresses. Some of you will like what is coming, some won't. I know I don't play EVERY video game that gets made. I do usually wait to actually understand what the game actually is before I make up my mind though.

[Pstemarie]

Chris Priestly wrote...

While I can't comment on the new game/studio thing, I can say that this sort of complaint really burns my onion. I've been with BioWare going on 11 years now and have heard this complaint a lot.

When we made Neverwinter Nights, we were bad for not making Baldur's Gate 3.

When we made Knights of  the Old Republic, we were "abandoning" our fantasy fans for moving to Sci-Fi, we were abandoning our PC fans by making an xbox game and we were tools of Lucasarts for working on their IP.

When we made Jade Empire, it was more of the same. "Get back to DnD", "Make BG3 already", "stop making console games for the kiddies and get back to your PC game roots", and a new "whay aren't you making KotOR 2 instead of this?", etc.

Then was made Mass Effect and became tools of Microsoft because there was no PS3 verion. And we were still scum for not making a fantasy game, PC exclusive, etc.

Then came Dragon Age Origins and we were awful for making games for Playstation 3 instead of keeping them exclusive to Xbox 360 consoles and for creating our own IP instead of returning to DnD.

Then we dared to try to make an MMO. We again fell victim to Lucasarts and were horrible for making an MMO and not a KotOR 3 which all true fans really wanted, how we had no knowledge to make an MMO, how we should use the staff and time to make anything/everything else, etc.

Now something else is on the way and this again seems to challenge the view that some people have about what BioWare is or should do. It must be EA MAKING/FORCING them do something. It will be horrible because it doesn't conform to what I think BioWare should do or has historically done. This will be awful because I have seen 1 screenshot and a few seconds of video and have made up my mind already.

Well, hopefully, we'll prove you wrong. Hopefully those of you complaining (and I know most of you are taking the much more sensible "wait and see" approach) will learn the details starting with the VGA awards and then more as time progresses. Some of you will like what is coming, some won't. I know I don't play EVERY video game that gets made. I do usually wait to actually understand what the game actually is before I make up my mind though.

Personally, I think every game BioWare has made has been an improvement over the last. Although NWN will always be my favorite, I certainly won't criticize BioWare for making games - or not making games. Thats just....well....umm....

I know I wouldn't want to have see WoW or Everquest as the sole mediums for play....

Modifié par Pstemarie, 25 novembre 2011 - 09:23 .