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[zx2781]

Cyberwarren wrote...

I can't wait to see what BioWare has next.

And plus Shadowfang, why do some people want Jade Empire 2 so BADLY (yes, including you). I never played the first one.

Play it and your question will be answered. Totally unique and creative experience.

[Skypezee]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

That is the only cinematic RPG experience that was actually groundbreaking. I mean there are so many choices and consequences that the story could be played multiple times and you are never going to get the same story. Same thing irks me when people say that they want a real wasteland that makes survival more difficult, and I keep giving them the same game: Fallout: 1/2.

Better yet, just point out the Hardcore Mode for Fallout: New Vegas XP

[WalkingBartie]

I have to agree. I borrowed the game from a friend a while ago and gave it some spins. And sure, it's a unique game and it starts off quite nice, but it just doesn't last. I couldn't even bear playing past Tien's Landing. 


Anyhow, I'll just leave this here since people are talking about the possibillities of this new game not being an RPG?:
http://beefjack.com/...-the-rpg-genre/

I know there is a more recent interview about how BW wants to "broaden future RPGs" but I couldn't find it. Ths'll have to be sufficient to prove my point, that I absolutley believe that this new game will be an RPG (somehow), even thought it might contain elements from other genres. 


 

[HiroVoid]

I liked Jade Empire, but it didn't really have enough environments for me to play through personally.

[duvey85]

The reason I want another Jade Empire so much is because of its setting.  Whatever you thought of the original (I loved it), you know any follow up that comes out this long after the original is going to have significant changes to the gameplay, an entirely new story, new areas to visit, etc.  But the universe they created for that game will still be there, and IMO, that is the best universe Bioware has ever made a game in.  I really want to travel back to the Jade Empire.


On the other hand, from the tiny glimpses I've seen, this new franchise's setting does not look at all appealing.  Of course, there's a very good chance it will be more appealing once I learn more about it, but I'm having a hard time seeing how those glimpses can correspond to a place that I'll want to visit as much as I did with Jade Empire, or Mass Effect, or KotOR...

[FedericoV]

After I've seen the short teaser, I'm pretty sure that it will be a Command and Conquer RTS... in case it's a very bad news. But I'll wait and see before I start talking about Bioware's being the next Origins or Westwood...

Modifié par FedericoV, 29 novembre 2011 - 12:58 .

[FedericoV]

Chris Priestly wrote...


Now something else is on the way and this again seems to challenge the view that some people have about what BioWare is or should do. It must be EA MAKING/FORCING them do something. It will be horrible because it doesn't conform to what I think BioWare should do or has historically done. This will be awful because I have seen 1 screenshot and a few seconds of video and have made up my mind already.

Well, Mr Priestly, I'm on the wait & see camp and generally I am very supportive toward Bioware. I was even positive with DA2 direction untill I played the actual thing to the end. So I say that you should be able to separate general internet whining and trolling from legitimate concerns. Post like the one above remembers me of your strategy during the development of DA2... and I'm not happy to see the "it's evolution stupid" comments make a comeback.  I smell a rat...

There are a lot of your older and newer fans who are worried about your future. Worried because Bioware is the last bastion of storydriven and party based RPGs. Because we love what you have done since BG1 to DA:O. There are a lot of fans who do not like your good name and reputation being used by EA to sell some other games just to squeesh a couple of quick dollars from your loyal customer, wich is typical EA (EA for many gamers is the equivalent of  no concern about quality and a business plan focused on short term goals that kills franchises and studio alike... instead of dismissing those claim as nonsense, you should start to think why the idea exist and it's so difficult to change).

We would love to see Bioware rival with the like of Bethesda and CdRed for things like innovation, quality and ambition. Instead it seems that you are forced on a "one year dev cycle" schedule for your main RPG franchises while your good rep is used to sell games that has nothing to do with the history of your studio. Well, it's worrying... but one thing is sure: I won't buy an RTS game just because EA forced your logo on the Box. Just like I've not played Warhammer MMO just because it's called Bioware.

Modifié par FedericoV, 29 novembre 2011 - 01:22 .

[-Semper-]

Chris Priestly wrote...
Well, hopefully, we'll prove you wrong. Hopefully those of you complaining will learn the details starting with the VGA awards and then more as time progresses.

good try chris. we both know what happened to da2 despite all the rage within the forums. i still miss the button to mysteriously flip it into something awesome.

FedericoV  wrote...
Worried because Bioware is the last bastion of storydriven and party based RPGs.

with storydriven you mean the railroaded cutscenes with romance filler? the gameplay in between was watered down since nwn. bioware lost the crown long ago.

FedericoV  wrote...
There are a lot of fans who do not like your good name and reputation
being used by EA to sell some other games just to squeesh a couple of
quick dollars from your loyal customer

the funny thing is that bioware was into action games the whole time. they were hired by a publisher, in this case interplay, to use their selfmade rts-engine to create something with interplay's dnd license. again it was an external publisher who guided them to their bright future.

FedericoV  wrote...
We would love to see Bioware rival with the like of Bethesda and CdRed for things like innovation, quality and ambition.

how come nobody notices how horrible buggy, unsupported and uninspired their products are since years? the glory days are gone and bioware is already next to bethesda and their craptastic stuff.

FedericoV  wrote...
your good rep is used to sell games that has nothing to do with the history of your studio

their roots are medical software. in my book they always tried to push the action within games. just compare baldur's gate to gold box games. since then the path was clear :innocent:

Modifié par -Semper-, 29 novembre 2011 - 02:25 .

[FedericoV]

Hi Semper, allways nice to read you!

with storydriven you mean the railroaded cutscenes with romance filler? the gameplay in between was watered down since nwn. bioware lost the crown long ago.

I simply mean "not another sandbox game". Games like BG 1/2, DA:O or TW1/2 or NWN2: Mask of the Betrayer are very near to what I mean with good "storydriven" RPGs. Gameplay has watered down since BG2 in any genre unfortunately, not only in CRPGs. If even the like of Joeff Voegel start to think about causal gamers...

the funny thing is that bioware was into action games the whole time.

Personally, the problem for me is not the action genre. I love the action genre and I like a lot of action RPGs. See below. Simply, I like good action games and hate rushed and poor ones.

they were hired by a publisher, in this case interplay, to use their selfmade rts-engine to create something with interplay's dnd license. again it was an external publisher who guided them to their bright future.

Honestly? I don't buy that. If Interplay was the real reason of Bioware's success as you seem to suggest, they should have done better with their IE games and imho they have not. Just like Obsidian has not done better with their Bioware's franchise games.

how come nobody notices how horrible buggy, unsupported and uninspired their products are since years? the glory days are gone and bioware is already next to bethesda and their craptastic stuff.

There has been a change of direction since Kotor. Bioware is not the same and I learned to accept the new consolle/mainstream oriented Bioware even if I missed the old geeky one and I preferred it. Imho they have made very good games untill EA came in to the picture.

About Bethesda: Bethesda is trying to improve and correct their games. I see a certain level of ambition in their design goals in terms of scope and content. Bioware is taking the opposite route and their games/franchises are less and less ambitious.

Bugged? Untill Awakenings and DA2 I have no problem with Bioware games (maybe because I allways wait a couple of months for patches before I start to play a game).

My concern is not Bioware doing action RPGs. I love action RPGs. Deus Ex, Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines and Fallout: New Vegas are some of my favourite RPG. My concern is EA turning them in the next Westwood/Origin with short term business decision.

their roots are medical software.

Are you Volo in disguise? R00FLES! Sorry mate, but he allways use that argument.

in my book they always tried to push the action within games. just compare baldur's gate to gold box games. since then the path was clear :innocent:

Look, I started to play CRPGs with the Ultima and Golden Box series. The turn based CRPG genre was allready dead at middle of the 90's. With BG they have "diablerized" the old CRPG genre with the P'n'P system. Yes, it's more actiony but that does not mean that it was worst. Imho, BG 1 & 2 is the pinnacle of the classic CRPG genre. But at the end we are talking of tastes: my problem is not with them doing actiony or not actiony RPGs.

My problem is with EA using their logo to sell some others crap lika a C&C game or forcing them in short dev cycle that remove any semblance of quality, ambition, design and art with their product.

[Loc'n'lol]

Skypezee wrote...
Better yet, just point out the Hardcore Mode for Fallout: New Vegas XP

I didn't find the survival part of the hardcor emode to be particularly challenging to be honest. At least for the PC, keeping companions alive could get pretty frustrating at times...

Modifié par _Loc_N_lol_, 29 novembre 2011 - 04:56 .

[-Semper-]

hi there

FedericoV wrote...
I simply mean "not another sandbox game". Games like BG 1/2, DA:O or TW1/2 or NWN2: Mask of the Betrayer are very near to what I mean with good "storydriven" RPGs. Gameplay has watered down since BG2

yeah, sadly that's right. the great downfall. everything is business now.

FedericoV wrote...
Honestly? I don't buy that. If Interplay was the real reason of Bioware's success as you seem to suggest, they should have done better with their IE games and imho they have not. Just like Obsidian has not done better with their Bioware's franchise games.

yes, i am dead serious! interplay held their hand. while baldur's gate was bioware's baby and their story alone the guys at interplay gave their opinions and helped out. that's why mca was credited in the manual
interplay only released 3 infinity driven games, one among art and easily the best written aka storydriven game ever. i don't have to call it, do i? iwd saga was rushed as interplay needed all the money. despite that it's my favorite dnd dungeon crawler. their real gems bg3 and f3 were canceled all because of herve's lunatic mastermind... former black isle and now obsidian was and still is the top rpg producer. at least in my opinion. fallout is one of the best c&c franchise, besides alpha protcol.

kotor2 was in all aspects classes above bioware's star wars attempt with all their shallow chars. don't blame obsidian because of lucas arts 6 month cut to farm the xmas sale. with the patched content mod it's a very good game. with nwn2 obsidian finally brought back party management into the nwn clusterfukk. on top with the soz addon they created a classic adventure with party creation and did wonders for the modding community with all the new features. with motb they created another top rated rpg which classified bioware down to rookies.

FedericoV wrote...
About Bethesda: Bethesda is trying to improve and correct their games. I see a certain level of ambition in their design goals in terms of scope and content. Bioware is taking the opposite route and their games/franchises are less and less ambitious.

since morrowind bethesda created only watered down clones. skyrim's got a marvellous setting and art design but that's it. absolutely no c&c and no improvement. that's the same with bioware. they only try to improve their cinematics and romances.

FedericoV wrote...
Are you Volo in disguise? R00FLES! Sorry mate, but he allways use that argument.

now you've got me! nah, kidding. i tried to sneak in some kkkodex feeling
btw it's the truth. they founded bioware to create medical software and action games. interplay brought them to dnd and rpg.

FedericoV wrote...
Yes, it's more actiony but that does not mean that it was worst. Imho, BG 1 & 2 is the pinnacle of the classic CRPG genre.

that i did not claime. yes, bg trilogy is still bioware's best and among my top5 games. period!

Modifié par -Semper-, 29 novembre 2011 - 06:12 .

[FedericoV]

-Semper- wrote...


yes, i am dead serious! interplay held their hand. while baldur's gate was bioware's baby and their story alone the guys at interplay gave their opinions and helped out. that's why mca was credited in the manual

Yep, off course. Interplay was really important in BG trilogy success but I would not use that factual truth to diminish the role of Bioware's game designers.

interplay only released 3 infinity driven games, one among art and easily the best written aka storydriven game ever. i don't have to call it, do i?

You know, I'm in the minority but I think that Torment is a little bit overrated. Mind, not saying bad, PS:T has many wonderfull feature and Morte was pure brilliance (my favourite companion of all time) and the story was great. Still, I found it a little bit convoluted, too long for its own good, with too many wall of text and too much combat and grinding. It's just an opinion and I respect a lot the vision behind it. Just to say, PS: T is my second favourite IE game. I believe that BG 1/2 were the better games.

iwd saga was rushed as interplay needed all the money. despite that it's my favorite dnd dungeon crawler. their real gems bg3 and f3 were canceled all because of herve's lunatic mastermind... former black isle and now obsidian was and still is the top rpg producer. at least in my opinion. fallout is one of the best c&c franchise, besides alpha protcol.

IWD is good dungeoun crawler (especially IWD 1): see above, I'm just saying that it's not at the same level of BG2 (even as a dungeoun crawler).

I love most Obsidian games, yes even Alpha Protocol wich is the definition of an underrated game. I respect them and it's one of the few companies constantly under my radar. I just think that they have to improve their polish and their gameplay systems. If they are able to do that without loosing their souls and remaining indipendent, they will become the top RPG producer even for me. At the moment they are more a promise of things to come than an actual contender to the big estabilished names for me.

FedericoV wrote...
since morrowind bethesda created only watered down clones. skyrim's got a marvellous setting and art design but that's it. absolutely no c&c and no improvement. that's the same with bioware.

That's true and consider that Daggerfall is my favourite game of the franchise, but you can't deny that they put a country worth of content in Skyrim and that at least they take their time to develop their games and avoid stupid and loud marketing.

they only try to improve their cinematics and romances.

If you think that one of the biggest issue of the DA fanbase about DA2 was "why we can romance our syster" it's hard to blame them even if what you say has many level of truth. Btw, their cinematics are not that great if compared to the action games they try to compete with. I play action games and comparing ME2 to RDR cinematics is beyond ridiculous (I won't even talk about DA2 since I have still a measuer of mercy).

now you've got me! nah, kidding. i tried to sneak in some kkkodex feeling

Ahhhh.... the kkkodex... the codex never change.

btw it's the truth. they founded bioware to create medical software and action games. interplay brought them to dnd and rpg.

I know but that has more to do with the docs than the people who has really made Bioware the company it is. I'm talking about the devs wich are the heart of any company.

[Morroian]

-Semper- wrote...

since morrowind bethesda created only watered down clones. skyrim's got a marvellous setting and art design but that's it. absolutely no c&c and no improvement.

Thats patently incorrect.

[Steppenwolf]

I'm getting pretty tired of games set in the desert/wasteland settings.

[CroGamer002]

Hmh, I swear I only seen trailer today.


And didn't noticed this thread for a while so i though it died out.

[Razagon]

http://www.gameinfor...sting-vgas.aspx

[Chris Priestly]

greengoron89 wrote...
 I don't know how the mods manage to put up with it.

I drink heavily then go beat up temp QA testers.

[Steppenwolf]

Chris Priestly wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...
 I don't know how the mods manage to put up with it.

I drink heavily then go beat up temp QA testers.

Is that why DA2 had so many bugs?


I kid. :innocent:

[lv12medic]

Chris Priestly wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...
 I don't know how the mods manage to put up with it.

I drink heavily then go beat up temp expendable QA testers.

Fix'd that for yah. 

[KingDan97]

Chris Priestly wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...
 I don't know how the mods manage to put up with it.

I drink heavily then go beat up temp QA testers.

Now their stories belong on the website for Trenches.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

KingDan97 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...
 I don't know how the mods manage to put up with it.

I drink heavily then go beat up temp QA testers.

Now their stories belong on the website for Trenches.

Welcome to 4chan! lol