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[Jaulen]

Just saw a picture of Barbara Streisand from the 1970's (The way we were, with Robert Redford) and realized....wow, she kinda looks like one of the new elves from DA2....I wonder if the art people responsible for the new elf look were unconsiously channeling Babs....

[Forst1999]

Wow, i have heard many complains about the elves' redesign, but that was below the belt.

[Faunwea]

Yeah... I don't see the resemblance. Sorry.

[Cyne]

Couldn't resist

Modifié par Cyne, 03 novembre 2011 - 10:17 .

[Forst1999]

Counting down until someone makes the same picture with poor Orana... Someone will (except this threat gets locked before that, which it should...)

Modifié par Forst1999, 03 novembre 2011 - 10:24 .

[FrightBlight]

I like the new look.

Makes them more distinct than skinny humans with slightly pointed ears.

[eliesan]

Those ears make them look like head-wings

[eliesan]

Cyne wrote...



Couldn't resist

I am otf

[Marvin_Arnold]

Ah, but you have chosen a VERY mild example - most of them look like those gray aliens from our collective nightmares:

These two fellows, for example...



...remind me of:



Several people throughout DA mention how pretty and visually pleasing and sexually seductive elves are supposed to be – thinking of sex with one of the DA2 elves makes me think of... zoophilia. (do they go BA-A-A-A during the act?)

Right from the wrong side of the uncanny valley... frankly, I wouldn't mind the redesign if the "redesigners" had just had a little sense of basic aesthetics...

Modifié par Marvin_Arnold, 16 novembre 2011 - 03:59 .

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Elfs looks retarded omg, and definitely not like Barbara 40 years ago. The Elves look is the worst thing on the whole game, even worse then re-used areas.

[bleetman]

Could be worse.

[SkittlesKat96]

I didn't really mind the elf redesign in DA 2 tbh

[PPR223]

I know that they were trying to make the Elves look like a seperate race, but the Elves just look like the result of human incest.

[RagingCyclone]

I think the elf debate rages from people focussing on the very few fugly elves. And much of that fugliness comes from the textures like makeup, and of course the obligatory generic space filler like the pic in the post above. (Funny how these same problems exist in the humans...but not as many complaints) The new design actually has potential to look really good...like this elf from MotA...just my opinion.

[Salaya]

I disagree with those who say that people who dislikes the new elves focuse only on the "extremely" ugly models -we all know who I'm refering to

For me, at last, the problem comes from the design itself: even those elves considered beatiful by the ones defending the new look, like Merrill, Tallis or the elf girl that could hire you at the begining, seem horrible to me.

My main concern is the face -that ugly, enormous nose that contrasts with the general pale-fragile physiognomy; the eyes, the exaggerated ears...those traits are common to every one of them, and I found them simply horrendous.

They are unique, yes; but I fail to see why is that something benefical to the general design if almost every new "uniqueness" looks disastrous.

I know Bioware has shown little interest in turning back to the old design, but I really hope they step back from the most controversial ones (probably I should start looking for another thing to say; I feel as if I've said this line on dozens of threads xD)

[Riknas]

Salaya wrote...

They are unique, yes; but I fail to see why is that something benefical to the general design if almost every new "uniqueness" looks disastrous.

I know Bioware has shown little interest in turning back to the old design, but I really hope they step back from the most controversial ones (probably I should start looking for another thing to say; I feel as if I've said this line on dozens of threads xD)

Part of being unique is rooted in the desire to better make Dragon Age 2 stand out from other fantasy stories, both in story and appearance.


That said, it seems that there is a conflict regarding people's personal taste as to what is attractive.

[fchopin]

I know Barbara Streisand is not the most beautiful woman in the world but please stop insulting her by comparing her to DA2 elves.

Modifié par fchopin, 17 novembre 2011 - 06:54 .

[SkittlesKat96]

RagingCyclone wrote...

I think the elf debate rages from people focussing on the very few fugly elves. And much of that fugliness comes from the textures like makeup, and of course the obligatory generic space filler like the pic in the post above. (Funny how these same problems exist in the humans...but not as many complaints) The new design actually has potential to look really good...like this elf from MotA...just my opinion.

Poor Orana

[Barry Bathernak]

i think they look more like donkey people then anything else,its almost like someone in the south stumbled upon a group of donkey's shortly after taking viagra (sorry about the mental image).

[D.Kain]

I agree with Salaya.

[Marvin_Arnold]

Salaya wrote...

They are unique, yes; but I fail to see why is that something benefical to the general design if almost every new "uniqueness" looks disastrous.

Salaya, this design is the farthest possible from "unique". They look like any elf in Japanese manga/anime. Which obviously clashes with the "Western" characer of the whole franchise. Why the designers had to pander to the Japanese taste in elves is beyond my comprehension. I've already said this in another thread: It works in anime, because (young) humans almost look the same! See here:

Screenshot, elf and human

Rojahar wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...

I think the elf debate rages from people focussing on the very few fugly elves. And much of that fugliness comes from the textures like makeup, and of course the obligatory generic space filler like the pic in the post above. (Funny how these same problems exist in the humans...but not as many complaints) The new design actually has potential to look really good...like this elf from MotA...just my opinion.

Quoting because I doubt people will read your post, but they should.

This elf girl has a NOSE and a CHIN, unlike 90% of DA2 elves. She also has probably the smallest and most "human" eyes possible with the new design - in short: She almost completely looks like a DA:O elf! Case in point, I'd say.

Just for whoring my poll: I made a poll about DA:O/DA2 elf design here.

For those squeamish about the new design (means: those who, besides being exceptionally attractive, also have excellent, almost Orlesian taste and an impeccable sense of proportion and aesthetics, and I want them to bear my children... oops!) there is also a mod on dragonagenexus.com that at least gives the elves actual noses. I don't have the link right now, but it's called "Normal Noses"...

Modifié par Marvin_Arnold, 19 novembre 2011 - 09:55 .

[RagingCyclone]

Marvin_Arnold---Apparently you did not look at the elves close enough. Again you back my theory that most of the complaints come from texturing and not the actually facial structure. Here again is that same girl whom you claim looks like a DAO elf from a different angle, and this time with a couple of elves from the main game (and not the obligatory fugly examples that most detractors use)...and the funny thing on this is...I am not a huge fan of DA2! I actually prefer a mix of the two styles to be quite honest. Here's the shot:




And for fun here is that new design in Origins using the Elf Update mod by tmp:

Modifié par RagingCyclone, 20 novembre 2011 - 01:10 .

[bEVEsthda]

RagingCyclone wrote...

Marvin_Arnold---Apparently you did not look at the elves close enough. Again you back my theory that most of the complaints come from texturing and not the actually facial structure. Here again is that same girl whom you claim looks like a DAO elf from a different angle, and this time with a couple of elves from the main game (and not the obligatory fugly examples that most detractors use)...and the funny thing on this is...I am not a huge fan of DA2! I actually prefer a mix of the two styles to be quite honest. Here's the sh..

You can have any theory you like; it's the facial structure. You're just cherry picking individual models plus angles.
Those who like to argue that the elf redesign is fine, often claim Merril is pretty. Do you perhaps think so?
How pretty is she here?



End of discussion. Bye.

[RagingCyclone]

bEVEsthda---not any different tactic than the examples used to detract from the new style. And if you have paid attention to any of my posts you will know that I am not a huge fan of DA2 and will actually point out flaws. But I also know when to recognize a bias when I see it. And if you noticed I did not use Merrill as an example because in other threads like this I have stated both Merrill and Fenris are anomalies of the new design in that they have been humanized from the main design. They in fact do not fit the mold of the overall design. (main indication...the ears) And I have also stated here the human design, imho, is actually worse in DA2 from DAO. (I have also stated this in other older threads).

Modifié par RagingCyclone, 20 novembre 2011 - 01:50 .