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[VictoriousScandinavian]

Me? Buying online? Perish the thought!

Hard copy if any.

[Gravity Bun]

Online, the only shops that sell games here are Game and HMV and they're waaaay overpriced.

[MartinDN]

Boxed copy all the way. I did when i was a kid and it wont change when im older, i prefer my discs in my hand not in some online program, anything could happen i could lose my account or i get banned.

[eternalnightmare13]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Hard copy.

I'm old school.

[SynheKatze]

Hard copy.

[Fredvdp]

Hard copy. Those are a lot cheaper where I live. I got the ME2 CE for €50 while digital copies of the standard edition cost that much. I only ever use Steam to buy either old games or indie titles.

[Renegade133]

Xeranx wrote...

Renegade133 wrote...

This thing that omfg they forced me to piracy is just crap its just an excuse for you to steal ......... i don't see anywhere that DLC is mandetory its become like this because Fully fledged expansion packs are done and dusted and as for the exclusive promitional content there is always ways of fooling that im in Australia and i managed to get all the funny visors and stuff ( theres always little tricks here and there ) 

So since origins yeah.... how many games have you actually baught

Honestly, I'm not defending him, but when he has three games registered (I really hate bringing up the registered part of it, but it works in this case) to your one...I don't really think you can ask that last question.  He's represented how he stopped.  And on top of that, he has three separate purchases from recent products Bioware has offered.  

That out of the way, you have to understand where he's coming from.  Brushing this off as "it's just an excuse" is rubbish because the companies you are paying for a product are making it hard for you, a legit customer, to use said product.  Situations like this make people look at others who don't pay and also don't have to deal with the nonsense paying customers do.  That makes it extremely attractive, but the shareholders who force companies to adopt drm schemes cannot get that through their thick heads.  The level of security on most game disks is rubbish and there's a website that lists games protected by Starforce so that people can avoid buying those games.

Companies spend money putting security checks on stuff that probably cuts into their bottom line.  But those companies can't say a thing about it because they're not entirely their own entity.  I gurantee you there are people that work for Bioware that understand where people are coming from with regard to DRM, but say nothing because it'll cut into their pay or them holding their job.  So we continue having this crap forced on us when it causes everyone a headache except the people that don't pay for it.  Piracy isn't going away.  It came about when there weren't stringent copy protections and DRM, but making paying customers jump through hoops to get what they want isn't going to help.  And let's be honest, the copy protections and DRM do more to make a customer feel as if they're looked at as criminal when they pay.  They won't get that feeling going the other route.  They either become tech savvy so they can either fix the protections so they have no problems or find easier, and less detectable ways of getting the stuff they want for the price of their internet connection.  I think the latter's more likely.

I honestly believe the sooner everyone understands that this stuff gets in the way, the sooner they'll make more money instead of spending more for a result that stands very little chance of developing.

While he has registered more games than me thats fine but if you actually did read the stuff he said he sounds like he has pirated more then he has baught and is part of the reason why drm has been forced on us hell if people didnt pirate the games then we wouldnt have this **** forced on us and just because i have only one game registered on here means sqaut the only reason i dont have more games here is because i just wasnt interested in Dragon Age im sick of seeing the sense of entittlement that people have its like well im going to be treated like a pirate so i must act like a pirate which is a cycle of more intrusive DRM while i dont particually like DRM ( i hate limited checks etc ) i can understand the point of the developer who want to spend cash on it because they feel the need to protect there product with increasing more anoying DRM measures

[lltoon]

Renegade133 wrote...

lltoon wrote...

Hard copy.

If the hard copy says that Origin installation is mandatory, then I'm pirating the game. I buy games to support the developers. I should not have to deal with the game being dependent on a client to run.

It's ironic that Bioware was the first developer to stop me from pirating games. Ever since Dragon Age: Origins I had stopped getting pirated games and putting my money down for originals because I believed in supporting genuine, honest games developers that cared about making good games.

Now I find that Bioware/EA are forcing me back into piracy because they are adding too many limitations on my games. Too many hoops to jump through just to simply play a game.
Every game I played I had to give up more of my rights for privacy and have intrusive programs scan everything, I had to give up more money due to the games having chunks cut out and used for DLC in a cheap attempt to jack up the game price, I had to give up time waiting for PC versions of the game to come out because they want to appeal to the casual console community, I had to give up hope of getting certain content because it's only available to USA residents only.

I'm sorry Bioware, but I've given you all the rope I have. If ME3 mistreats me as a consumer, I'll be making sure you don't get my money.

This thing that omfg they forced me to piracy is just crap its just an excuse for you to steal ......... i don't see anywhere that DLC is mandetory its become like this because Fully fledged expansion packs are done and dusted and as for the exclusive promitional content there is always ways of fooling that im in Australia and i managed to get all the funny visors and stuff ( theres always little tricks here and there ) 

So since origins yeah.... how many games have you actually baught

Allow me to explain it to you, I want to buy DLCs but some of them are restricted to American residents, so I am irritated that a game feature is locked out from me just because I live somewhere else. It's ridiculous considering we are living in the digital age. Also, I never said anything about DLCs being a bad thing UNLESS it has been obvious it has been cut out of the original game on purpose (which is already common business practice by game developers).

Secondly, I come from a country where almost virtually every games shop sells pirated games. That's correct, almost every shop sells pirated games illegaly because my country's laws are lax regarding copyright game media. So I actually have to go extra lengths of driving accross the border of my country over to Singapore to buy a game. That's right,  I actually drive 2 hours into another country to legitimately buy a game because I believed in supporting companies which produced good games. If I was a cheapskate, I would have continued walking around the corner of my house to buy a pirated copy, saving 2 hours of my life, 20 dollars on petrol and countless border inspections..

So don't lecture me with your horrid spelling and lack of grammer, on being a bad guy doing what I do, especially when someone like you isn't very likely going to lift a finger to support a games company even if it means getting your ass off your chair to leave the house to get one.

Modifié par lltoon, 05 novembre 2011 - 02:47 .

[TheOtherTheoG]

Hard copy, from Amazon. I tend to get most of my games on Steam, bar, traditionally, EA games, hence I got both the first 2 ME games physical, and BF3. I don't really trust Origin...

[Killjoy Cutter]

Renegade133 wrote...

...but if you actually did read the stuff he said he sounds like he has pirated more then he has baught and is part of the reason why drm has been forced on us hell if people didnt pirate the games then we wouldnt have this **** forced on us...

Sure, keep telling yourself that... 

[Renegade133]

Actually i do support the company's i buy games from i always go down pre ordering the games that i want i hardly ever buy games online because i like to collect the cases i rarely ever import unless i cant get it from a store here .secondly just because i don't have to drive 2 hrs to a shop and cross borders doesn't mean that i don't do my bit as long as i buy the game my money goes to support the developers and considering where i live most games are 50% more then most places in the world

but its cool play the victim of the evils of DRM and pirate all the **** you want because one day your going to end up boycotting every company that produces titles because the DRM was to much for you

Modifié par Renegade133, 05 novembre 2011 - 03:34 .

[Akka le Vil]

bobspoland wrote...

will you be buying me3 out of the shop or online??

I am thinking i'll just be getting it online if it's going to need origin to run...whats the point of getting disc.

If I requre any kind of ****ty DRM malware to make it run, I'll not buy it at all.

I'm tired of every company and its brother trying to shove their proprietary crap down my throat.

[Predi1988]

Hard copy, N7 edition. This game deserves to buy the collector edition

[lltoon]

Renegade133 wrote...

Actually i do support the company's i buy games from i always go down pre ordering the games that i want i hardly ever buy games online because i like to collect the cases i rarely ever import unless i cant get it from a store here .secondly just because i don't have to drive 2 hrs to a shop and cross borders doesn't mean that i don't do my bit as long as i buy the game my money goes to support the developers and considering where i live most games are 50% more then most places in the world

but its cool play the victim of the evils of DRM and pirate all the **** you want because one day your going to end up boycotting every company that produces titles because the DRM was to much for you

Then I will happily boycott companies that abuse the consumer's rights. Every time you act out of complacency you give companies the impression that it's okay to screw you over with every game release. I'm not a slave to my desires to desperately get a game and I am patient enough to boycott a product if it abuses my consumer rights.
I talked about my 2 hour drives, because I want to show you how I go through extra lengths, the extra mile and extra costs to support a company, so that you can get it through your thick skull that I'm not doing this because I am a cheapskate.

Your argument is about DRM, which ironically enough I have with my Steam products. I don't think you're aware of the many games I have on Steam that requires me to log online to authenticate the game. I don't have a problem with that, which is what you're misdirecting the argument towards.

My problem is with Origins scanning everything on your PC, your keystrokes, installed/uninstalled programs, private data, credit card numbers, phone numbers, photo albums, company documents and more. These things have nothing to do with EA products/games so this is a definite intrusion of my privacy. In addition, EA has the complete right to sell whatever information they find to any third party company they see fit. That's my problem with Origin and that is why I'm boycotting it. While I disagree with DRM it hasn't stopped me from buying legitimate games, as my buyer's history with Bioware and my Steam account proves it.

Even places like Germany which has very strict privacy laws protecting it's citizens had it's high court declare the EULA for Origin to be a breach of basic consumer rights, which forced EA to backtrack their EULA agreement.

If you can't stand up for your own consumer rights, then go ahead, but don't force others to endure the same nonsense you do just because you're impatient to get a game.

Modifié par lltoon, 05 novembre 2011 - 04:08 .

[lovgreno]

Renegade133 wrote...

but its cool play the victim of the evils of DRM and pirate all the **** you want because one day your going to end up boycotting every company that produces titles because the DRM was to much for you

Or perhaps some producer sees that there is a big demand for actualy legaly buying products without unwanted and suspicious DRM. Adam Smiths Invisible Hand you know.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Renegade133 wrote...

but its cool play the victim of the evils of DRM and pirate all the **** you want because one day your going to end up boycotting every company that produces titles because the DRM was to much for you

No one should buy any software with intrusive DRM.  It's the only way to stop things like Origin from become commonplace. 

[Abirn]

lltoon wrote...

Renegade133 wrote...

Actually i do support the company's i buy games from i always go down pre ordering the games that i want i hardly ever buy games online because i like to collect the cases i rarely ever import unless i cant get it from a store here .secondly just because i don't have to drive 2 hrs to a shop and cross borders doesn't mean that i don't do my bit as long as i buy the game my money goes to support the developers and considering where i live most games are 50% more then most places in the world

but its cool play the victim of the evils of DRM and pirate all the **** you want because one day your going to end up boycotting every company that produces titles because the DRM was to much for you

Then I will happily boycott companies that abuse the consumer's rights. Every time you act out of complacency you give companies the impression that it's okay to screw you over with every game release. I'm not a slave to my desires to desperately get a game and I am patient enough to boycott a product if it abuses my consumer rights.
I talked about my 2 hour drives, because I want to show you how I go through extra lengths, the extra mile and extra costs to support a company, so that you can get it through your thick skull that I'm not doing this because I am a cheapskate.

Your argument is about DRM, which ironically enough I have with my Steam products. I don't think you're aware of the many games I have on Steam that requires me to log online to authenticate the game. I don't have a problem with that, which is what you're misdirecting the argument towards.

My problem is with Origins scanning everything on your PC, your keystrokes, installed/uninstalled programs, private data, credit card numbers, phone numbers, photo albums, company documents and more. These things have nothing to do with EA products/games so this is a definite intrusion of my privacy. In addition, EA has the complete right to sell whatever information they find to any third party company they see fit. That's my problem with Origin and that is why I'm boycotting it. While I disagree with DRM it hasn't stopped me from buying legitimate games, as my buyer's history with Bioware and my Steam account proves it.

Even places like Germany which has very strict privacy laws protecting it's citizens had it's high court declare the EULA for Origin to be a breach of basic consumer rights, which forced EA to backtrack their EULA agreement.

If you can't stand up for your own consumer rights, then go ahead, but don't force others to endure the same nonsense you do just because you're impatient to get a game.

There are sandbox programs you can use to make it think there's nothing on your computer for them to look at,  Basically that's what I'm going to do.

[Xeranx]

Abirn wrote...

There are sandbox programs you can use to make it think there's nothing on your computer for them to look at,  Basically that's what I'm going to do.

Can you send me a PM about those programs, please?  I'd prefer to not try finding them out on my own and possibly hurting my computer in the process.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Boxed if Origin doesn't kill it, otherwise game rental for consoles....hope it doesn't come to this though...my PC sure could use it.

[Carfax]

lltoon wrote...

My problem is with Origins scanning everything on your PC, your keystrokes, installed/uninstalled programs, private data, credit card numbers, phone numbers, photo albums, company documents and more. These things have nothing to do with EA products/games so this is a definite intrusion of my privacy. In addition, EA has the complete right to sell whatever information they find to any third party company they see fit. That's my problem with Origin and that is why I'm boycotting it. While I disagree with DRM it hasn't stopped me from buying legitimate games, as my buyer's history with Bioware and my Steam account proves it.

Steam scans practically everything as well, and so do virus scanners and a host of other various softwares..

I can't stand when people bash Origins, while giving Steam a free pass   Here's an example of Steam scanning a folder that has nothing to do with games or anything:

[Akka le Vil]

Carfax wrote...

Steam scans practically everything as well, and so do virus scanners and a host of other various softwares..

I can't stand when people bash Origins, while giving Steam a free pass   Here's an example of Steam scanning a folder that has nothing to do with games or anything:

I hate equally both Origins and Steam. Happy ?

[Carfax]

Akka le Vil wrote...

I hate equally both Origins and Steam. Happy ?

My post was specifically directed towards those that use Steam and think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, yet slam Origins as "spyware."

Origins is really no different than Steam, regardless of what the EULA states.

[Akka le Vil]

Carfax wrote...

My post was specifically directed towards those that use Steam and think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, yet slam Origins as "spyware."

Steam strangely enjoys some kind of fanboyist worship despite being a pile of DRM- and malware-filled crap. Don't ask me why, but it seems that allowing you to download a game online and adding a chat make it suddendly alright to fill your computer with invasive software and restrict your consumer rights.

Well, if people weren't idiots, we would not have crappy games selling by the truckloads and abusive DRM accepted, so...

[robarcool]

Well, couldn't it also be because people don't want multiple software to manage their games apart from disliking them?

Modifié par robarcool, 05 novembre 2011 - 10:45 .