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[OperativeX]

bobspoland wrote...

will you be buying me3 out of the shop or online??

I am thinking i'll just be getting it online if it's going to need origin to run...whats the point of getting disc.

I won't be getting it at all if it requires Origin. DVD or Steam only for me. Not having some scumbag sell my infos and preferences to the highest bidder. EA can either sit down, or sit on it and swivel.

Both my ME1 and ME2 saves are on Steam so i want to carry my two main soldiers over. I didn't play the first two games for nothing. I sure as hell will not start afresh by re-downloading/activating them on Origin and play through again just to get to where i was.

Origin is a mess and its spyware. No thanks

[Hathur]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Ordered CE from Origin's store.

Ah, I see I'm not the only one who turned to the darkside and signed my soul over to the devil 

I know there's a lot of (justified) fuss over it... but I'm just too "meh" to care if Bioware knows about my several gigabytes of kitten photo collection or spies on my tax filings (meh) or whatever... I'm a good born and bred Canadian.. everything is "meh" to me. 

[Escapulario100]

If I can, yes, I will buy it on digital

[OperativeX]

Hathur wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Ordered CE from Origin's store.

Ah, I see I'm not the only one who turned to the darkside and signed my soul over to the devil 

I know there's a lot of (justified) fuss over it... but I'm just too "meh" to care if Bioware knows about my several gigabytes of kitten photo collection or spies on my tax filings (meh) or whatever... I'm a good born and bred Canadian.. everything is "meh" to me. 

And if ur info gets into the wrong hands and they steal ur identity and sell your bank details to a fraud who then bleeds ur funds bare will u be 'meh' then?

[DiebytheSword]

OperativeX wrote...

Hathur wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Ordered CE from Origin's store.

Ah, I see I'm not the only one who turned to the darkside and signed my soul over to the devil 

I know there's a lot of (justified) fuss over it... but I'm just too "meh" to care if Bioware knows about my several gigabytes of kitten photo collection or spies on my tax filings (meh) or whatever... I'm a good born and bred Canadian.. everything is "meh" to me. 

And if ur info gets into the wrong hands and they steal ur identity and sell your bank details to a fraud who then bleeds ur funds bare will u be 'meh' then?

I don't keep that information available on my gaming account, much less my gaming PC.  That said, I'm not a fan of Origin, and if this is the path they want to take I will be sure to reconsider doing business with EA in the future should they create new IPs that I'm interested in.  If this is the case, then ME3 and DA3 will be my final jaunts with Bioware on the PC.

I would even consider ending my relationship with other EA distributed titles, like Rock Band.

[Ulthair]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Hard copy.

I'm old school.

sign me on for this, hate bothering with digital copies, but in my defense, i got the ME1 and 2 for xbox aswell as for pc, i got both pc version for less than 20€, preordered the xbox versions, both collector editions, shame i can't get my hands on a ME3 CE, no way to get a hard copy in belgium, and no CC for me, i'm really bad with money :innocent:

[Hathur]

OperativeX wrote...

Hathur wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Ordered CE from Origin's store.

Ah, I see I'm not the only one who turned to the darkside and signed my soul over to the devil 

I know there's a lot of (justified) fuss over it... but I'm just too "meh" to care if Bioware knows about my several gigabytes of kitten photo collection or spies on my tax filings (meh) or whatever... I'm a good born and bred Canadian.. everything is "meh" to me. 

And if ur info gets into the wrong hands and they steal ur identity and sell your bank details to a fraud who then bleeds ur funds bare will u be 'meh' then?

Actually that'd be kind of nice.... that sort of thing could easily track back to Origin and I could join a class action lawsuit to sue EA for fishing around into private banking information  

... that and I'm not stupid enough to actually store something like my banking data in a text file on my computer or something. I use online banking, sure -- but the security onus there is on the bank's website.. If Origin is actually key logging my banking data (which it isn't and won't.. but if it did..) then EA would be slitting its own throat with massive lawsuits.

Origin is observing software useage... yeah it's intrusive and annoying... but it's not a bloody keylogger or something. I agree that it's overly intrusive but people are also blowing it waaaaay out of proportion, making it sound like EA is going to steal your banking info and personal data, sell it / give it away, etc. 

A lot of the behavior over the issue reeks of conspiracy theory nuttery.... it's not nice, but it's also not some doomsday software either. People need to familiarize themselves with the word "hyperbole" ... and do less of it.

Now because I'm sounding like a nagging old lady, I'll let the widdle kitty help and cheer people up...

[Akka le Vil]

OperativeX wrote...

I won't be getting it at all if it requires Origin. DVD or Steam only for me. Not having some scumbag sell my infos and preferences to the highest bidder. EA can either sit down, or sit on it and swivel.

Both my ME1 and ME2 saves are on Steam so i want to carry my two main soldiers over. I didn't play the first two games for nothing. I sure as hell will not start afresh by re-downloading/activating them on Origin and play through again just to get to where i was.

Origin is a mess and its spyware. No thanks

Steam is nearly as bad, you know, so your argument is a bit... pointless (though the overall idea is true, but then it rips apart when you act like if Steam isn't the same thing...).

[DiebytheSword]

OperativeX wrote...

I won't be getting it at all if it requires Origin. DVD or Steam only for me. Not having some scumbag sell my infos and preferences to the highest bidder. EA can either sit down, or sit on it and swivel.

Both my ME1 and ME2 saves are on Steam so i want to carry my two main soldiers over. I didn't play the first two games for nothing. I sure as hell will not start afresh by re-downloading/activating them on Origin and play through again just to get to where i was.

Origin is a mess and its spyware. No thanks

I have ME2 on Origin (free from getting DA2) and I have ME1 on steam.  The game saves carry over just fine, that's just hyperbole.

Modifié par DiebytheSword, 09 novembre 2011 - 10:34 .

[The King of Dust]

If it requires any sort of online activation, or requires me to install Origin, I won't be buying it at all. I'll also be quite disappointed. Yes, I'm fully expecting to be disappointed, but if EA doesn't want my money, it's their prerogative.

For the record, I also hate Steam and refuse to use it, as well as any of these worthless forced downloader/e-shop/online-features/drm apps that don't add anything of value to my gaming experience as far as I'm concerned. They all need to disappear.

[billy the squid]

Hathur wrote...

OperativeX wrote...

Hathur wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Ordered CE from Origin's store.

Ah, I see I'm not the only one who turned to the darkside and signed my soul over to the devil 

I know there's a lot of (justified) fuss over it... but I'm just too "meh" to care if Bioware knows about my several gigabytes of kitten photo collection or spies on my tax filings (meh) or whatever... I'm a good born and bred Canadian.. everything is "meh" to me. 

And if ur info gets into the wrong hands and they steal ur identity and sell your bank details to a fraud who then bleeds ur funds bare will u be 'meh' then?

Actually that'd be kind of nice.... that sort of thing could easily track back to Origin and I could join a class action lawsuit to sue EA for fishing around into private banking information  

... that and I'm not stupid enough to actually store something like my banking data in a text file on my computer or something. I use online banking, sure -- but the security onus there is on the bank's website.. If Origin is actually key logging my banking data (which it isn't and won't.. but if it did..) then EA would be slitting its own throat with massive lawsuits.

Origin is observing software useage... yeah it's intrusive and annoying... but it's not a bloody keylogger or something. I agree that it's overly intrusive but people are also blowing it waaaaay out of proportion, making it sound like EA is going to steal your banking info and personal data, sell it / give it away, etc. 

A lot of the behavior over the issue reeks of conspiracy theory nuttery.... it's not nice, but it's also not some doomsday software either. People need to familiarize themselves with the word "hyperbole" ... and do less of it.

Now because I'm sounding like a nagging old lady, I'll let the widdle kitty help and cheer people up...

{removes the cute kitten}

The EULA excludes class action law suits, I know at least in the UK an EU legal recoursecannot be limited to such an extent. The American system I'm not too familiar with, so I don't know of case law and legislation which could be used to void that term. EA wouldn't sell their data, as that would be asking for trouble, but it's pretty easy to distribute it to a third party without direct fiscal gain, so technically it is not sold and no breach of the terms.

I'm not a fan of Steam really either, but there are some restrictions. Origin more than anything else resembles the figurative sledgehammer when it comes to scanning and data collection. I've looked over the process monitor logs and it scans a huge amount of data, a lot of which I don't really know how it could be relevant. I mean really, icons and miscellaneous files? It is undoubtubly intrusive, but I don't know what to make of the program, whether it is just sloppily made or whether EA believes that canvasing the HDD will net them any benefit.

Equally their approach to marketing, leaves a lot to be desired. I think they could have learned a lot from Steam when it first came out, which had some excessive terms and conditions, but has since toned it down. Personally I don't have a problem with Origin in principle as an alternative download service to Steam, what I dislike it the terms and the unabashed poking around.

Modifié par billy the squid, 09 novembre 2011 - 10:53 .

[bobspoland]

The King of Dust wrote...

If it requires any sort of online activation, or requires me to install Origin, I won't be buying it at all. I'll also be quite disappointed. Yes, I'm fully expecting to be disappointed, but if EA doesn't want my money, it's their prerogative.

For the record, I also hate Steam and refuse to use it, as well as any of these worthless forced downloader/e-shop/online-features/drm apps that don't add anything of value to my gaming experience as far as I'm concerned. They all need to disappear.

Steam is great. SO many good deals on there!

[mauro2222]

charredrex wrote...

Hard Copy. I want the Collector's Edition for once.

This, well... if I can get it in my country.

[Hathur]

billy the squid wrote...

The EULA excludes class action law suits, I know at least in the UK an EU legal recoursecannot be limited to such an extent. The American system I'm not too familiar with, so I don't know of case law and legislation which could be used to void that term. EA wouldn't sell their data, as that would be asking for trouble, but it's pretty easy to distribute it to a third party without direct fiscal gain, so technically it is not sold and no breach of the terms.

I'm not a fan of Steam really either, but there are some restrictions. Origin more than anything else resembles the figurative sledgehammer when it comes to scanning and data collection. I've looked over the process monitor logs and it scans a huge amount of data, a lot of which I don't really know how it could be relevant. I mean really, icons and miscellaneous files? It is undoubtubly intrusive, but I don't know what to make of the program, whether it is just sloppily made or whether EA believes that canvasing the HDD will net them any benefit.

Equally their approach to marketing, leaves a lot to be desired. I think they could have learned a lot from Steam when it first came out, which had some excessive terms and conditions, but has since toned it down. Personally I don't have a problem with Origin in principle as an alternative download service to Steam, what I dislike it the terms and the unabashed poking around.

EULA bindings in a practical legal sense are meaningless... here in Canada and I suspect the US they would hold no actual weight in a court of law if Origin was taking sensitive personal data and giving / selling / leaking it out to outside agencies or people.

EULA's aren't worth the pixels they use up on screen, if there's a genuine legal infraction made no judge is going to say "You people signed the EULA, sorry, no case for you" ... not going to happen anywhere in the western world.

[The King of Dust]

bobspoland wrote...

Steam is great. SO many good deals on there!

No deal is good enough to get me to install Steam on my PC. Not even getting the entire catalog for free. If I had physical access to the Steam servers, I would destroy them. I would then try to hunt down any backups they have and destroy those too. And then I would revel in the suffering of the millions of gamers who fueled this trend of online-activation DRM schemes and forced gateway applications with their money.

Everyone who kept purchasing games from Steam or Impulse or other similar stores over the years is partially responsible for the likes of Origin and the current deplorable state of PC gaming.

[billy the squid]

Hathur wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

The EULA excludes class action law suits, I know at least in the UK an EU legal recoursecannot be limited to such an extent. The American system I'm not too familiar with, so I don't know of case law and legislation which could be used to void that term. EA wouldn't sell their data, as that would be asking for trouble, but it's pretty easy to distribute it to a third party without direct fiscal gain, so technically it is not sold and no breach of the terms.

I'm not a fan of Steam really either, but there are some restrictions. Origin more than anything else resembles the figurative sledgehammer when it comes to scanning and data collection. I've looked over the process monitor logs and it scans a huge amount of data, a lot of which I don't really know how it could be relevant. I mean really, icons and miscellaneous files? It is undoubtubly intrusive, but I don't know what to make of the program, whether it is just sloppily made or whether EA believes that canvasing the HDD will net them any benefit.

Equally their approach to marketing, leaves a lot to be desired. I think they could have learned a lot from Steam when it first came out, which had some excessive terms and conditions, but has since toned it down. Personally I don't have a problem with Origin in principle as an alternative download service to Steam, what I dislike it the terms and the unabashed poking around.

EULA bindings in a practical legal sense are meaningless... here in Canada and I suspect the US they would hold no actual weight in a court of law if Origin was taking sensitive personal data and giving / selling / leaking it out to outside agencies or people.

EULA's aren't worth the pixels they use up on screen, if there's a genuine legal infraction made no judge is going to say "You people signed the EULA, sorry, no case for you" ... not going to happen anywhere in the western world.

Thanks, I'm not familiar with US or Canadian law. Although I am fully aware of how contract law works in the UK and EU, in so long as the terms don't breach legislation or case law they effect a contract. Problem is that the EULA doesn't prevent legal action, it just stops a class action law suit, you can still proceed privately in your case, but EA will simply bury it in litigation.

I don't know whether there exists a legislation which strikes out terms in contracts which restrict what action can be taken, there is in the UK and EU, although data collection is allowed, it does have to remain restricted to the data protection legislation of that country.

[OperativeX]

Hathur wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

The EULA excludes class action law suits, I know at least in the UK an EU legal recoursecannot be limited to such an extent. The American system I'm not too familiar with, so I don't know of case law and legislation which could be used to void that term. EA wouldn't sell their data, as that would be asking for trouble, but it's pretty easy to distribute it to a third party without direct fiscal gain, so technically it is not sold and no breach of the terms.

I'm not a fan of Steam really either, but there are some restrictions. Origin more than anything else resembles the figurative sledgehammer when it comes to scanning and data collection. I've looked over the process monitor logs and it scans a huge amount of data, a lot of which I don't really know how it could be relevant. I mean really, icons and miscellaneous files? It is undoubtubly intrusive, but I don't know what to make of the program, whether it is just sloppily made or whether EA believes that canvasing the HDD will net them any benefit.

Equally their approach to marketing, leaves a lot to be desired. I think they could have learned a lot from Steam when it first came out, which had some excessive terms and conditions, but has since toned it down. Personally I don't have a problem with Origin in principle as an alternative download service to Steam, what I dislike it the terms and the unabashed poking around.

EULA bindings in a practical legal sense are meaningless... here in Canada and I suspect the US they would hold no actual weight in a court of law if Origin was taking sensitive personal data and giving / selling / leaking it out to outside agencies or people.

EULA's aren't worth the pixels they use up on screen, if there's a genuine legal infraction made no judge is going to say "You people signed the EULA, sorry, no case for you" ... not going to happen anywhere in the western world.

Now that's just naive. If EA 'accidently' sends ur information to a third party, what's to stop that third party from being generous and making 'donations' to EA's paypal account or bank account? Money under the table. I fully expect EA to betray at some point. That's why we need Tali to sabotage Origin

[billy the squid]

OperativeX wrote...

Hathur wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

The EULA excludes class action law suits, I know at least in the UK an EU legal recoursecannot be limited to such an extent. The American system I'm not too familiar with, so I don't know of case law and legislation which could be used to void that term. EA wouldn't sell their data, as that would be asking for trouble, but it's pretty easy to distribute it to a third party without direct fiscal gain, so technically it is not sold and no breach of the terms.

I'm not a fan of Steam really either, but there are some restrictions. Origin more than anything else resembles the figurative sledgehammer when it comes to scanning and data collection. I've looked over the process monitor logs and it scans a huge amount of data, a lot of which I don't really know how it could be relevant. I mean really, icons and miscellaneous files? It is undoubtubly intrusive, but I don't know what to make of the program, whether it is just sloppily made or whether EA believes that canvasing the HDD will net them any benefit.

Equally their approach to marketing, leaves a lot to be desired. I think they could have learned a lot from Steam when it first came out, which had some excessive terms and conditions, but has since toned it down. Personally I don't have a problem with Origin in principle as an alternative download service to Steam, what I dislike it the terms and the unabashed poking around.

EULA bindings in a practical legal sense are meaningless... here in Canada and I suspect the US they would hold no actual weight in a court of law if Origin was taking sensitive personal data and giving / selling / leaking it out to outside agencies or people.

EULA's aren't worth the pixels they use up on screen, if there's a genuine legal infraction made no judge is going to say "You people signed the EULA, sorry, no case for you" ... not going to happen anywhere in the western world.

Now that's just naive. If EA 'accidently' sends ur information to a third party, what's to stop that third party from being generous and making 'donations' to EA's paypal account or bank account? Money under the table. I fully expect EA to betray at some point. That's why we need Tali to sabotage Origin

Because it's ever discovered it renders the entire contract void and it opens them up to a class action law suit. There are perfectly legitimate means to distribute information without resorting to back handers, in addition at least half the stuff it scans is entirely useless.

[N0-Future]

Hard copy... if no ORIGIN involved if it is, well there are always other games...

[Bogsnot1]

The section of the EULA that excludes class actions is there to act more as a deterrent, than anything legally binding.
In essence, its there to try and get people to the negotiating table first, rather than just joining a class action without any attempt at mediation. Its the bandwagon jumpers that end up costing companies the huge sums in payouts.
You know, those people who only had a minor issue (or non issue), and were willing to ignore it, but decided to join in the fun because they could get some money from it, without actually doing anything.

Note: I'm not defending the clause, just applying a bit of logical thought towards its purpose.

[PorcelynDoll]

I've already pre ordered the Digital Deluxe. I always get a digital version when available.

[GHNR]

Uh...well personally, I could go either way, but it doesn't really matter.

Also, I tried logging into Origin with this account, and it worked just fine so....I'm not really seeing an issue here, of linking up ME3 to it, and all the spyware, end Scheisse.

[aj2070]

Hard copy. Planning to purchase Collector's Edition and .pdfs of lithographs aren't a good idea.

[KingDuncan]

Out of the shop, me and my chumps plan to buy it after work.

[Slayer299]

Hard Copy.
I have a need to physically hold what I'm buying (pre-ordered the CE). Digital is okay, just not for this purchase.