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[OperativeX]

Ya know, thinking about this DRM bs and new spyware/bs EULA... it's almost as if Electronic Arts WANTS us to pirate their stuff just so that they can back up their opinion that all pc gamers are potential pirates and not worth catering to our platform

[xCirdanx]

N0-Future wrote...

Hard copy... if no ORIGIN involved if it is, well there are always other games...

True that and hard copy for me also, i have tons of games but i like having the boxes (and manuals etc) . As long as i have the chance to buy a game as hard copy i do so.

[knightnblu]

retail store

[Gatt9]

OperativeX wrote...

Ya know, thinking about this DRM bs and new spyware/bs EULA... it's almost as if Electronic Arts WANTS us to pirate their stuff just so that they can back up their opinion that all pc gamers are potential pirates and not worth catering to our platform

Actually,  EA has been declaring the PC the platform to be on in the future,  hence the online store,  it's very likely to generate far more money than consoles will,  and judging from their press releases about the NFL series,  it may already have.

There's a increasing current in the Industry to move back to the PC,  alot of Dev's are mentioning it in interviews,  likely because Consoles are starting to show alot of weakness,  and there's alot of issues with the current plan to release new systems in 12-18 months.  Primarily,  if people are so disinterested at this point that the market has been dropping almost every month for 2 years now,  sometimes as much as 32%,  why would they pay $500-$700 to buy a new console and not buy games?

Piracy can be restricted by DRM and even the Cloud.  Used game sales can't be solved.  Digital delivery puts a massive cut of the sale in the Dev's pocket.  Consoles take a cut for the platform owner and have manufaturing,  packaging,  and shipping costs.

It's not in their best interests to support consoles for much longer,  and the Industry appears to be realizing that.

[sedrikhcain]

bobspoland wrote...

will you be buying me3 out of the shop or online??

I am thinking i'll just be getting it online if it's going to need origin to run...whats the point of getting disc.

Shop. More for the rush of opening the package and popping in that disc for the first time, really. I'm getting the collector's edition, so it'll have some bells and whistles but the main thing I'm after is the extra in-game content, which, of course, I could get via digital deluxe.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Retail for one reason: Collectors Edition. If it didn't exist I would just go digital.

[Yuoaman]

OperativeX wrote...

bobspoland wrote...

will you be buying me3 out of the shop or online??

I am thinking i'll just be getting it online if it's going to need origin to run...whats the point of getting disc.

I won't be getting it at all if it requires Origin. DVD or Steam only for me. Not having some scumbag sell my infos and preferences to the highest bidder. EA can either sit down, or sit on it and swivel.

Both my ME1 and ME2 saves are on Steam so i want to carry my two main soldiers over. I didn't play the first two games for nothing. I sure as hell will not start afresh by re-downloading/activating them on Origin and play through again just to get to where i was.

Origin is a mess and its spyware. No thanks

Your saves are located in your Documents/Bioware folder regardless of what platform you used to play the games on, so no matter how you get the game you should be fine.

[OperativeX]

Gatt9 wrote...

OperativeX wrote...

Ya know, thinking about this DRM bs and new spyware/bs EULA... it's almost as if Electronic Arts WANTS us to pirate their stuff just so that they can back up their opinion that all pc gamers are potential pirates and not worth catering to our platform

Actually,  EA has been declaring the PC the platform to be on in the future,  hence the online store,  it's very likely to generate far more money than consoles will,  and judging from their press releases about the NFL series,  it may already have.

There's a increasing current in the Industry to move back to the PC,  alot of Dev's are mentioning it in interviews,  likely because Consoles are starting to show alot of weakness,  and there's alot of issues with the current plan to release new systems in 12-18 months.  Primarily,  if people are so disinterested at this point that the market has been dropping almost every month for 2 years now,  sometimes as much as 32%,  why would they pay $500-$700 to buy a new console and not buy games?

Piracy can be restricted by DRM and even the Cloud.  Used game sales can't be solved.  Digital delivery puts a massive cut of the sale in the Dev's pocket.  Consoles take a cut for the platform owner and have manufaturing,  packaging,  and shipping costs.

It's not in their best interests to support consoles for much longer,  and the Industry appears to be realizing that.

New Playstation and Xbox consoles are slated for 2014, Nintendo's new one comes out March 2012. All consoles are shifting majorly towards donwloadable games. Some 360 games can be downloaded from microsoft's store straight to hard drive already. But whereas consoles are more closed platforms and can stifle piracy more easily, PC remains a more open platform.

EA knows this and treats all PC gamers like potential pirates. Don't expect them to change their minds anytime soon. They shackle more and more games with each new release and go against the fans everytime expecting us to shut up and like it. I feel sorry for the Devs in all of this coz the have to accept everything they're spoon fed or simply not get their game published.

I much prefer Blizzard's Mike Morhaime's stance on pc games: games will always be pirated but make a GREAT game and people will WANT to buy it. I can totally see where he's coming from.

My friend often listens to leaked music albums. If the album is good, he goes out and BUYS the CD and supports the artist. If the album leak sound lousy, he simply DELETES it. A try before you buy if you like. The point is, the only thing that will beat piracy is good quality material. EA still feels the need to shackle one of the greatest game franchises out there - needlessly i might add. People WILL buy ME3 if its not attached to spyware.

Think about it EA/Bioware... think about it.

Modifié par OperativeX, 10 novembre 2011 - 01:59 .

[Kekkis]

Same deal with Origin and Steam games. If game forces me to use one I´m getting DVD from bargain bin. That includes BF3, Skyrim and ME3.

Good side effect is, that at that time games might actually be patched and work relatively well.

[mango smoothie]

Gatt9 wrote...

OperativeX wrote...

Ya know, thinking about this DRM bs and new spyware/bs EULA... it's almost as if Electronic Arts WANTS us to pirate their stuff just so that they can back up their opinion that all pc gamers are potential pirates and not worth catering to our platform

Actually,  EA has been declaring the PC the platform to be on in the future,  hence the online store,  it's very likely to generate far more money than consoles will,  and judging from their press releases about the NFL series,  it may already have.

There's a increasing current in the Industry to move back to the PC,  alot of Dev's are mentioning it in interviews,  likely because Consoles are starting to show alot of weakness,  and there's alot of issues with the current plan to release new systems in 12-18 months.  Primarily,  if people are so disinterested at this point that the market has been dropping almost every month for 2 years now,  sometimes as much as 32%,  why would they pay $500-$700 to buy a new console and not buy games?

Piracy can be restricted by DRM and even the Cloud.  Used game sales can't be solved.  Digital delivery puts a massive cut of the sale in the Dev's pocket.  Consoles take a cut for the platform owner and have manufaturing,  packaging,  and shipping costs.

It's not in their best interests to support consoles for much longer,  and the Industry appears to be realizing that.

While PC seems to making a small comeback I don't think it will last long. Once those new consoles come out in a few years people will just go back to consoles.

[CroGamer002]

mango smoothie wrote...

While PC seems to making a small comeback I don't think it will last long. Once those new consoles come out in a few years people will just go back to consoles.

I doubt it since games on PC are usually cheaper and you can plug in a controller.


Only exclusives will bring people back to play on consoles who switched to PC, though only exclusives.

[Yuoaman]

mango smoothie wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

OperativeX wrote...

Ya know, thinking about this DRM bs and new spyware/bs EULA... it's almost as if Electronic Arts WANTS us to pirate their stuff just so that they can back up their opinion that all pc gamers are potential pirates and not worth catering to our platform

Actually,  EA has been declaring the PC the platform to be on in the future,  hence the online store,  it's very likely to generate far more money than consoles will,  and judging from their press releases about the NFL series,  it may already have.

There's a increasing current in the Industry to move back to the PC,  alot of Dev's are mentioning it in interviews,  likely because Consoles are starting to show alot of weakness,  and there's alot of issues with the current plan to release new systems in 12-18 months.  Primarily,  if people are so disinterested at this point that the market has been dropping almost every month for 2 years now,  sometimes as much as 32%,  why would they pay $500-$700 to buy a new console and not buy games?

Piracy can be restricted by DRM and even the Cloud.  Used game sales can't be solved.  Digital delivery puts a massive cut of the sale in the Dev's pocket.  Consoles take a cut for the platform owner and have manufaturing,  packaging,  and shipping costs.

It's not in their best interests to support consoles for much longer,  and the Industry appears to be realizing that.

While PC seems to making a small comeback I don't think it will last long. Once those new consoles come out in a few years people will just go back to consoles.

Except that the technological gap between consoles and PCs will continue to grow - at some point in the future consoles are probably going to be abandoned outright - why pay $400 for a new console when you can pay like $800 for something that is much more powerful and which will last much longer?

[Massefeckt]

PC vs Console debate is boring. There's room for both. PC's were supposed to be dead already yet there still around alive and kicking. There's also always going to be a market for consoles. It may shift slightly one way or the other but both will always be around.

Although some natural disasters have upped the price of some things lately building a gaming PC has never been easier or cheaper and whatever extra it costs to build a PC vs buying a console is made up in the price difference of games. I'm lucky enough to have a pc, Xbox and PS3 and feel they all have a spot. There are games I prefer to play on the PC and others I prefer to play on a console.

As for the piracy thing PC piracy is not the big problem these days, XBOX games are leaked weeks in advance of retail release now and it's hitting home with developers that being on a console is no protection from piracy.

[raziel1980]

Hard copy from amazon as always with all of my games... i would rather have a physical copy and besides I'm getting the collector's edition as well.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

I've pre-ordered me3 n7 edition

[Doctoglethorpe]

I used to be all about physical media for games. But when I transitioned to PC gaming primarily it just started seeming pointless. Unless its a special edition then really I'm just getting a worthless box. Most games I buy nowadays still go through systems like Steam or Origin, I just type in the serial key I got in the box and the game will install weather I put in the disk or not and it plays thorugh those systems the same way it would if it was a digital puchase. When all the meaning is taken out of the physical package like that, I just don't care anymore. So limited edition are pretty much the only physical games I buy these days, at least on my primary gaming platform.

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 10 novembre 2011 - 03:12 .

[matt-bassist]

you guys dont understand, Origin is the new *hip* thing from EA. Regardless whether its hard copy, or digital - you WILL require Origin to run ME3.

[OperativeX]

matt-bassist wrote...

you guys dont understand, Origin is the new *hip* thing from EA. Regardless whether its hard copy, or digital - you WILL require Origin to run ME3.

Well we might if we choose to buy the game. But pirates won't have this problem

You see how hideous and unfair that is?

Modifié par OperativeX, 10 novembre 2011 - 09:36 .

[Akka le Vil]

The King of Dust wrote...

No deal is good enough to get me to install Steam on my PC. Not even getting the entire catalog for free. If I had physical access to the Steam servers, I would destroy them. I would then try to hunt down any backups they have and destroy those too. And then I would revel in the suffering of the millions of gamers who fueled this trend of online-activation DRM schemes and forced gateway applications with their money.

Everyone who kept purchasing games from Steam or Impulse or other similar stores over the years is partially responsible for the likes of Origin and the current deplorable state of PC gaming.

High-five, man !
You're not alone thinking this.

OperativeX wrote...

I much prefer
Blizzard's Mike Morhaime's stance on pc games: games will always be pirated but make a GREAT game and people will WANT to buy it. I can totally see where he's coming from.

Yeah, save for the fact that all the while making this endearing speech, and even going as far as saying that Steam is bad (which it is, true), they just put the EXACT SAME crap in their own game, with the exact same restrictions (even worse, in fact).

So using this hypocrital liar as a paragon... No thanks.

Modifié par Akka le Vil, 10 novembre 2011 - 11:59 .

[OperativeX]

Still doesn't stop EA's DRM crap being needless. Pirates have come out on top with every new release. So what's the point? Keep doing? Keep only hurting paying customers? Gimme a break...