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[Braindeer]

...was it just kinda disappointing compared to Anders?
I friendmanced Fenris on my second playthrough, playing as a mage and although the "fade to black" scene was fun, the rest of it was...just disappointing! My codex in Act III said that after that one night of Fading To Black, Fenris never mentioned it again but it was clear there were "unresolved feelings" or something to that effect. I think it said "whether that changes remains to be seen". At the end of the game I was expecting some sort of passionate outburst...or...even maybe just a MENTION of the whole romance thing. But no! Fenris sided with the Templars initially (cue much swearing from me - "I want my sword back, you bastard!" etc) but then changed his mind when confronted. But he said, and I quote, "I will stand with my friend".

Friend? Really?

So then I was hoping for something more exciting in the Gallows when everyone's standing around and you get to give everyone a bit of a pep talk or final chat or whatever. When I romanced Anders I got a nice little speech about changing the world and making it better for our children () at this point. From Fenris I got, "fight well, my friend". 

Again, friend? Fenris, are you trying to tell me something?!

So THEN I wondered if maybe I'd get a little something at the end. But no! All I got was Varric mentioning that Fenris stuck around after everyone else left Hawke in hiding, which indicated that the romance was still going.

So my question is: is this how it's supposed to go?! Did I miss out on something a bit more exciting? Or is Fenris just a dull little elf? Thoughts please.

[Braindeer]

Sorry, perhaps this should have gone in the companions forum. Please move if so!

[esper]

You didn't do his final question belief. You make up in that.
His final question belief is after you deal with his act 3 quest and reach the full bar.

[Gervaise]

What has happened is as the previous poster says, the romance was still active but until you do his final questioning beliefs in Act 3, you do not get the reconciliation with Fenris or the expression of affection in the Gallows. The same thing happened with me with Merrill, when I got a mixed up relationship owing to triggering her moving on the romance in Act 3 after I had already consolidated with Fenris. In her case, I got a friendship speach in the Gallows, while Fenris expressed romantic sentiements, but at the end Varric said it was Merrill who stayed with me.

Fenris is not a dull little elf - if you get all the stages of the romance he is touchingly devoted, but owing to the way the friendship/rivaltry thing works, you have to be at a certain point on the scale to trigger questioning beliefs. Check your journal to see if his Questioning Beliefs is there before you go the Gallows. If it is just go to his estate first. If not, you may have a problem as if you have given him the sword, you may have no other way of advancing his scale to the point where it triggers. Normally you have to be maxed out for him to support you against the Templars, so the Questioning Beliefs ought to be there.

[Braindeer]

How odd. I wasn't maxed out, I know that - I did wonder if I ought to be. And there was definitely no Questioning Beliefs quest before the Gallows. And yet he switched sides anyway!

Sigh. Well, I can't be bothered to go back and try to bump up my friendship points - I'd have to go back quite a way I think. It was hard enough scraping a the few points I did have from him, grouch that he is. Oh well. Maybe next playthrough I'll get it right. Thanks for clearing that up guys!

[esper]

Braindeer wrote...

How odd. I wasn't maxed out, I know that - I did wonder if I ought to be. And there was definitely no Questioning Beliefs quest before the Gallows. And yet he switched sides anyway!

Sigh. Well, I can't be bothered to go back and try to bump up my friendship points - I'd have to go back quite a way I think. It was hard enough scraping a the few points I did have from him, grouch that he is. Oh well. Maybe next playthrough I'll get it right. Thanks for clearing that up guys!

If you aren't at 100% he will swithc to the templars. If he is around 75-100% he can be convinced to swithc back to the mages.

[Braindeer]

 Ah, that explains it. SO CLOSE! I just looked the reconciliation up on YouTube and it's pretty sweet. I'm not sure I have the patience to go back far enough to get it though...argh! I'm annoyed with myself for not thinking about that sooner. I sort of assumed it would trigger automatically...I got to 100% with Anders within about 5 minutes so it didn't even cross my mind to check with Fenris! 

[Heather Cline]

It's actually not that hard to get fenris to 100% friendship in the game. I never take him on any quests really. There are a few cutscene's in the game if you take him along around kirkwall at certain times of the day where he will speak up and if you support his views he will gain friendship points. Just don't take him on certain quests like the quest dealing with getting Feynriel back from the slavers. Because you lose friendship points with him unless you turn Feynriel over to the circle.

If you do his quest to go after the female mage lady who tortured him before his escape from his former master you will meet an elf girl. Ask the girl to go to your house in hightown then tell Fenris that you are going to pay her. Friendship points. Just mainly complete all of his personal quests. All his questioning belief quests. Give him all his gifts and you're good to go.

I've never had a difficult time getting Fenris to 100% friendship level. Though I never romanced him cause I like girls. But yeah... not that hard to do.

[Gervaise]

Had another thought, have you done Legacy yet? If you do that before the Gallows, there is a possibility for advancing his Friendship there - just make sure you defile the altar of Dumat. It is only a small advance but it could be enough to solve your problem.

[Braindeer]

I did most of that stuff, including the elf girl. But I liked having him around so I took him out a lot, and being a pro-freedom kind of mage I pleased him and pissed him off in equal measures. I didn't want to change my character to suit Fenris' opinions...which is clearly where I went wrong romance-wise!

Ah well, next play through is going to be a warrior and I've not sided with the Templars yet, so it'll be easier this time round. I'll oppress mages like there's no tomorrow!

[Braindeer]

Oh, and yes, I did already do Legacy...first part of Act III I think! And I'm pretty sure all my saves are post-Legacy. Sigh. Thanks though!

Modifié par Braindeer, 04 novembre 2011 - 10:43 .

[Riffuel_Raffit]

A quick question about the Fenris romance that doesn´t warrant a new thread:
I´ve read he´s somewhat finnicky to romance, so I´d like to know if one has to take EVERY flirt option that pops up to make it work - in some cases, especially right after Bait and Switch outside his new mansion, it seems somewhat out of place (at least with this hawke), and sometimes the other options are just more interesting... So, is it enough if Hawke flirts just one or two times during Act 1 or is every heart option required?
I´ve just thought about it know, after missing the first option, and don´t want to reload an older save which means doing all the quests I´ve completed meanwhile again, just to be on the safe side...

Modifié par Valaun, 31 décembre 2011 - 08:05 .

[Gervaise]

I don't know what anyone else found, but I'm sure that at least one of my Hawke's didn't take every heart option and it was still okay. I definitely missed out the one after you just met him because it seemed inappropriate for that Hawke. Just be careful who you sleep with because every time I slept with Isabella, even though I broke it off immediately after, it ruined the Fenris romance. However, I only discovered this much later because I was still getting the heart icons and then when it came to crunch time (after Bitter Pill) it went nowhere. You can flirt to your heart's content but just don't sleep with them.

[Riffuel_Raffit]

Alright, thanks for the quick answer!
The first flirt option does seem a bit inappropriate if you´re playing a more serious hawke, hence I didn´t click it - good to know it´s not a romance-breaker.
Since the Fenris romance appears to be more delicate to handle, I didn´t plan on making a move on anybode else, but if flirting is okay, I might use it with Isabelle - I always view that more as teasing than anything else, at least at first.

[coldwetn0se]

As Gervaise says, you should be fine not taking all the flirt options. I usually don't except during the "Talk to Fenris" quest in Act 2, and both of his QB's in Act 2 and 3. And I RARELY take the very last flirt option in "The Last Straw"....just a bit to cheesy for me...heehee. I almost never take the first flirt option outside the mansion, unless I'm playing a crass Hawke.




**SPOILERS**

**One warning on flirting with Isabela (and Merill for that matter), one flirt is just about enough to have them end up at your house, so be prepared to turn them down if that happens....if your still planning on romancing Fenris, that is.