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[Vegos]

1136342t54 wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

I apologze if I'm overly blunt but that is my reading of the poster.

Oh no no its not that. Well its the fact your very description of him paints Vegos as a possibly obnoxious person.

"Possibly"? I need to try harder.

[pika9519]

bleetman wrote...

And here was me thinking BSN liked toggles.

[tfive24]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Yes, god forbid someone who doesn't like all the talky bits be barred from enjoying the game.

I am seriously disgusted by you RPG elitists sometimes.  All the dialogue options are still there, just with an auto-select feature for those that don't feel like bothering.

i'm tired of reading rpg elitists, how about rpg standards. How about i go ask the people who make Forza and GT  to make a GTA mode for people like me. I mean i feel left out of the their games. 

[tfive24]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ultramarinus wrote...

God forbid someone who doesn't like an RPG buys some non-RPG and sticks to playing that.

If you don't like, can't manage the main point of a game, just don't buy it. Simple as that. There are tons of other pure action games out there and 95% of them has better action than ME2.

F*ck that.  I'll play what I want, how I want.

Then why play a rpg when u don't like dialog and just want to shoot things.

[1136342t54_]

tfive24 wrote...

i'm tired of reading rpg elitists, how about rpg standards. How about i go ask the people who make Forza and GT  to make a GTA mode for people like me. I mean i feel left out of the their games. 

RPG elitists are a specific group of RPG players who act as if they are superior and their gamer genre is superior to others. There are plenty of RPG elitists who dislike other genres and playstyles so much that by adding a mode in ME3 that allows you to basically have more linear, quick and action oriented experience is literally a insult to them and everything they stand for. Not all RPG players are like that but a minority is. 

Your comparison may not necessarily work because some actual RPG players would actually play Action mode since some of us like the ME3 combat and would like to see the default story. Hell aft I play it a dozen times I may just want a quick playthrough since I usually skip cutscenes after so many playthroughs.

[1136342t54_]

tfive24 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ultramarinus wrote...

God forbid someone who doesn't like an RPG buys some non-RPG and sticks to playing that.

If you don't like, can't manage the main point of a game, just don't buy it. Simple as that. There are tons of other pure action games out there and 95% of them has better action than ME2.

F*ck that.  I'll play what I want, how I want.

Then why play a rpg when u don't like dialog and just want to shoot things.

Also you are inaccurate. The ME series has been a action RPG from the begining. Its for people who like combat and roleplaying. For some they like the one part more than the other.

[Cancer Puppet]

This is the problem with trying to appeal to everyone. You can't make everyone happy, please stop trying, jeebus!

I want bioware to make a game they think is great, without the stipulation of it selling 5 milion copies. It's funny that I don't mind multiplayer at all, but this bothers me so much.

Then again, mp is developed by a seperate studio, so at worst it'll feel tacked on and I'll ignore it.

[slimgrin]

I see no problem in offering a separate challenge mode for combat. This isn't about that though. It's about making the story a pre-school experience for those that want action and action only. Leave it to Bioware to come up with this.

I dare someone to sling that RPG elitist nonsense around and back it up with logical exposition.

[1136342t54_]

slimgrin wrote...

I see no problem in offering a separate challenge mode for combat. This isn't about that though. It's about making the story a pre-school experience for those that want action and action only. Leave it to Bioware to come up with this.

I dare someone to sling that RPG elitist nonsense around and back it up with logical exposition.

Depends on your version of pre-school experience. The story itself no matter way you do it should be very good even if you have little choice in it. Now if you are specifically speaking about the limit of choices then sure you have separate mode for a more linear experience but the same amount of combat as the RPG mode.

Edit: Even if you don't like it and disagree with Bioware for the simple fact of adding that then so what? It is a choice that won't harm your experience unless its very existence is blight on the game's existence.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 06 novembre 2011 - 01:11 .

[Il Divo]

slimgrin wrote...

I see no problem in offering a separate challenge mode for combat. This isn't about that though. It's about making the story a pre-school experience for those that want action and action only. Leave it to Bioware to come up with this.

I dare someone to sling that RPG elitist nonsense around and back it up with logical exposition.

I think the person who posted the "auto-resolve battle" option which the Total War series employs works well as a counter-example. You don't have to employ that approach if you dislike it.

[yuncas]

This will, inevitably, lead to someone, somewhere, finding plot holes, lore inconsistency, or gameplay bugs, blaming this new set of modes in the process. And ,ignoring the obvious improvements and additions to all of the above, they'll throw their hands up in the air and scream that THEIR rpg is being thrown to sacrificial wolves of profit margins, laying the blame at the feet of the devil EA.

And, barring their laughable overreaction, can it be said that they are 100% incorrect?

[1136342t54_]

yuncas wrote...

This will, inevitably, lead to someone, somewhere, finding plot holes, lore inconsistency, or gameplay bugs, blaming this new set of modes in the process. And ,ignoring the obvious improvements and additions to all of the above, they'll throw their hands up in the air and scream that THEIR rpg is being thrown to sacrificial wolves of profit margins, laying the blame at the feet of the devil EA.

And, barring their laughable overreaction, can it be said that they are 100% incorrect?

This isn't anything against your post but when has a BSN poster not said that about any feature in the ME and Dragon age series?

[Gibb_Shepard]

slimgrin wrote...

I see no problem in offering a separate challenge mode for combat. This isn't about that though. It's about making the story a pre-school experience for those that want action and action only. Leave it to Bioware to come up with this.

I dare someone to sling that RPG elitist nonsense around and back it up with logical exposition.

This. I honestly don't care for the feature, but BW's attitude toward their games is ****ing souless.

They are making a game that has the goal to achieve the largest demographic possible. That's not how a game should be made.

CDPR and Bethesda have soul, BW lost their's when they heard the clinking of two pennies in their pocket.

[1136342t54_]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

This. I honestly don't care for the feature, but BW's attitude toward their games is ****ing souless.

They are making a game that has the goal to achieve the largest demographic possible. That's not how a game should be made.

CDPR and Bethesda have soul, BW lost their's when they heard the clinking of two pennies in their pocket.

You haven't worked in business very long have you?

[Gibb_Shepard]

1136342t54 wrote...

yuncas wrote...

This will, inevitably, lead to someone, somewhere, finding plot holes, lore inconsistency, or gameplay bugs, blaming this new set of modes in the process. And ,ignoring the obvious improvements and additions to all of the above, they'll throw their hands up in the air and scream that THEIR rpg is being thrown to sacrificial wolves of profit margins, laying the blame at the feet of the devil EA.

And, barring their laughable overreaction, can it be said that they are 100% incorrect?

This isn't anything against your post but when has a BSN poster not said that about any feature in the ME and Dragon age series?

You missed his point entirely.

[1136342t54_]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

yuncas wrote...

This will, inevitably, lead to someone, somewhere, finding plot holes, lore inconsistency, or gameplay bugs, blaming this new set of modes in the process. And ,ignoring the obvious improvements and additions to all of the above, they'll throw their hands up in the air and scream that THEIR rpg is being thrown to sacrificial wolves of profit margins, laying the blame at the feet of the devil EA.

And, barring their laughable overreaction, can it be said that they are 100% incorrect?

This isn't anything against your post but when has a BSN poster not said that about any feature in the ME and Dragon age series?

You missed his point entirely.

Hmm I guess you cannot read the humor in the post. 

Okay then lets be a tiny bit serious. BSN has constantly complained about how many features they don't like that is added into their games is because of EA.

[Darji]

RageGT wrote...

Darji wrote...

RageGT wrote...

I think they're taking the "Autoplay" feature from "Bard - Savior of Queens" a little too serious. It was an April's fool joke!!!!

oh wow. I have never seen this but thats exactly how it is. great job Bioware. You are now officially the joke of CD Red.

I'm just wondering which of the 3 modes will give us the autoplay feature that will not burden us with anything gameplay-related. So we can just sit back, relax and... enjoy it !!??

I want Insanity Hardcore (like D2 or TW2 have) Mode with full RPG features!!!!

Its about the idea they are talking about to please everyone. and the auto function counts for the whole conversations.  In the end you can try to please everyone and while you may gain a wider audience you will lose the actual core RPG player who basicly made this company.   At the moment Bioware is more and more becomming like RARE if you know what I mean with this.

If Bioware wants to please and get the shooter "cod" crowd for more sales I have no problem with this but pease stop prtending that you still care about RPGs or its players.

[Vegos]

Trying to please everybody just means everyone ends up pretty much equally annoyed. People can say what they want in their fanboyism, I know what my life's experience taught me.

[Feanor_II]

In my opnion things are goingout of bounds in terms of trying to "appeal new audience". For "Story mode" watch a film/series or read a book and don't spend a pretty amount of money on a game, "Action mode" breaks the spirit of the saga.

Anyway, it's just an option of the game, it won't affect the game because both are just limited versions of the main mode so it doesn't bother me, I'll stick to RPG an ignore the other two

Modifié par Feanor_II, 06 novembre 2011 - 01:27 .

[ElitePinecone]

Vegos wrote...

Trying to please everybody just means everyone ends up pretty much equally annoyed. People can say what they want in their fanboyism, I know what my life's experience taught me.

You're being unreasonably pessimistic. 

At the very least don't jump to the worst possible conclusion before the game is even out. 

If you watched the beta and still don't think ME3 will be an awesome game, I think you're putting far too much emphasis on getting angry or being upset for the sake of it. 

You don't own Mass Effect 3. Bioware does. They have complete creative control over the project and can do whatever they wish to make more money or attract new fans. 

That's business. Like it or not, it's going to happen and there isn't much you can do about it. 

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Did anyone see the option to import me2 saves? and will you be fit to imoprt from the ps3 version?

[Vegos]

ElitePinecone wrote...


You're being unreasonably pessimistic. 

At the very least don't jump to the worst possible conclusion before the game is even out. 

If you watched the beta and still don't think ME3 will be an awesome game, I think you're putting far too much emphasis on getting angry or being upset for the sake of it. 

You don't own Mass Effect 3. Bioware does. They have complete creative control over the project and can do whatever they wish to make more money or attract new fans. 

That's business. Like it or not, it's going to happen and there isn't much you can do about it. 

I wouldn't say acting on what I know from my past life is "unreasonable". I won't even bother replying to the rest, because I'm pretty sure I've said everything at some point in this thread.

You don't have to like or agree with what I think, but don't go around repressing people's free speech.

[Darji]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Vegos wrote...

Trying to please everybody just means everyone ends up pretty much equally annoyed. People can say what they want in their fanboyism, I know what my life's experience taught me.

You're being unreasonably pessimistic. 

At the very least don't jump to the worst possible conclusion before the game is even out. 

If you watched the beta and still don't think ME3 will be an awesome game, I think you're putting far too much emphasis on getting angry or being upset for the sake of it. 

You don't own Mass Effect 3. Bioware does. They have complete creative control over the project and can do whatever they wish to make more money or attract new fans. 

That's business. Like it or not, it's going to happen and there isn't much you can do about it. 

You pretty much have to after the DA2 disaster. Of course people are pretty pessimistic about this.

[1136342t54_]

Darji wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Vegos wrote...

Trying to please everybody just means everyone ends up pretty much equally annoyed. People can say what they want in their fanboyism, I know what my life's experience taught me.

You're being unreasonably pessimistic. 

At the very least don't jump to the worst possible conclusion before the game is even out. 

If you watched the beta and still don't think ME3 will be an awesome game, I think you're putting far too much emphasis on getting angry or being upset for the sake of it. 

You don't own Mass Effect 3. Bioware does. They have complete creative control over the project and can do whatever they wish to make more money or attract new fans. 

That's business. Like it or not, it's going to happen and there isn't much you can do about it. 

You pretty much have to after the DA2 disaster. Of course people are pretty pessimistic about this.

Not really. DA2 was a good game that could have been a great game like its predecessor.

[yuncas]

1136342t54 wrote...

This isn't anything against your post but when has a BSN poster not said that about any feature in the ME and Dragon age series?

Of course there always has been outlandish critcism and there always will be. Maybe it's just my sensibilities edging slightly closer towards those of the over-reactionaries, short of adopting their hysterics. ME2's small deviations got my attention, DA2's raised an eyebrow, I've become neutral towards ME3's mp, and I'll have to reserve personal opinion on this new set of modes until I get more information.

I'm certainly not advocating a static state of game design, but I really can't see clearly where these design choices are taking game franchises that clearly identify themselves as RPGs.