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[tfive24]

Vegos wrote...

tfive24 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

tfive24 wrote...

I think it's not going to be a rpg. I think that Bioware wants to make games like Uncharted series. You can see it coming with the iconic looks, Voiced Pcs, and a more cinematic game. 

Bioware said they like stories and want to focus more into story like games. I'm thinking they may start focusing less on gameplay like DAO or DA2 and even ME3 and have it more linear. The story and choices could get better.

That's what they are going to do. It's going to be more a linear action game.(Which I hate by the way.)

Yet the sheer irony of the fact that someone says they're making a game more action and linear for the story's sake leaves me laughing.

Hey, I don't agree with it, but look at the design of their games and statements about  how they want to present their game. It's only natuarl that they want to go the more Uncharted/Gears of War route. 

[tfive24]

1136342t54 wrote...

tfive24 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

tfive24 wrote...

I think it's not going to be a rpg. I think that Bioware wants to make games like Uncharted series. You can see it coming with the iconic looks, Voiced Pcs, and a more cinematic game. 

Bioware said they like stories and want to focus more into story like games. I'm thinking they may start focusing less on gameplay like DAO or DA2 and even ME3 and have it more linear. The story and choices could get better.

That's what they are going to do. It's going to be more a linear action game.(Which I hate by the way.)

I'm assuming that you didn't read my post correctly. They said they wanted to focus more on STORY in their games usually and go more linear when it comes to combat systems. Think about it Bioware when it came to ME series has gotten more linear with gameplay and inventory. Hell due to many complaints they had to improve the actual combat in ME3.

I read it right, but I was talking about their future games. I think the new mass effect games will be just straight actions games and not rpgs. 

[tfive24]

1136342t54 wrote...

Vegos wrote...

Yet the sheer irony of the fact that someone says they're making a game more action and linear for the story's sake leaves me laughing.

You do know people have complained incessantly about the combat and inventory systems being to dumbed down right? It isn't difficult to understand Bioware put so much work in the ME3 combat system and inventory to make it good but less ****ty than the ME1 system. 

I thought the inventory system for Me1 and DA:O were perfect.  I never complained about them. 

[Gatt9]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Trying to head back to the original concept of the OP real quick...


...has anyone thought about the concept of "the game chooses my decisions for me" has for those of us who play with the RPG option? Does that hint at the possibility that almost every dialogue choice in the game is going to be cut and dry, black and white? I know people have complained about this before in ME games, but will ME3 be more of the same or, possibly, even more two dimensional?

Yes,  but I'd say choices will be one-dimensional.

The introduction of Shooter-mode causes a serious problem.  You can no longer have different paths to the same goal through choice and consequence,  because one target group cannot make choices.  You cannot have quests that have a major impact,  in two different directions,  like DAO's choices where you ended up with one army or the other (Werewolves or Elves IIRC),  because one group would never get the choice. 

You can't just say "Oh,  all Shooter-boys get Elves",  you'll get roasted for not letting them get Werewolves.  So you have to give them both.  Shooter-boys aren't interested in RPG's,  they don't care about the concept of Choice & Consequence,  they just want to know why they can't have bad*** elves shooting arrows over their army of werewolves.

So what do you do?  Everyone gets elves and everyone gets werewolves.  That's what will happen here,  the incredibly superficial quests from ME2 that didn't actually do anything but give you different dialogue,  will be even more superficial.

It'll be like those DA2 parodies that were on the DA2 board.

"I think I want to go to the forest"
"No,  you want to go to Ostagar"
"No,  we're going to the forest"  (Walks off towards the forest)
(Enters Ostagar anyways)
"See,  I told you this is where you wanted to go!"

Which,  IMO,  is going to end up the exact same way DA2 did.  Struggling to sell 1 million copies and with a rating of less than 4 on Metacritic.

You can already see it coming,  go look at the Gamespot article about the teaser image today and read the comments,  it's trending negative towards Bioware.  Remember,  this is a site that cheered Fallout 3's conversion into a superficial shooter,  and now even they're tired of "Streamlining" and making everything into a Shooter.

[1136342t54_]

Vegos wrote...
There is only one possible conclusion from 1) and 2). You didn't have to have said it.

Why? So I can repeat it multiple times or spend half an hour again attempting to get it through your head of some minor humor? Yeah not gonna happen.

"Challenge me"? "Run away from?". Uhm, no, sorry, won't fly. The only thing I "run ayway from" is the incessant nagging that I should repeat myself for everyone's convenience.

That and you don't like stating your opinions because you are annoyed when someone attempts to discuss with you in a discussion thread.

Care to list a few, explain why they're trolls and sho how they held their ground? I mean, you made the claim, you prove it.

Hey you find the Trolls they are somewhere on this forum and past threads. I know where the threads are but I don't need to be bothered by looking for them.

You know what I actually like this arguing style I may just use this against you a lot more. 

[JamieCOTC]

I certainly don't begrudge BW doing putting in three playmodes, but I hope this is not their idea of ME3's replayability.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:15 .

[Vegos]

jreezy wrote...

When you make comments for others to see you should already know that praise or criticisms could come your way. I don't see what you have to be angry about.

Praise and criticisms are a given fact, but people's attitudes you can be angry about. It's not a good idea to be, though, unless you know the person in question and have to have them around for more meaningful stuff as well.

[1136342t54_]

tfive24 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Vegos wrote...

Yet the sheer irony of the fact that someone says they're making a game more action and linear for the story's sake leaves me laughing.

You do know people have complained incessantly about the combat and inventory systems being to dumbed down right? It isn't difficult to understand Bioware put so much work in the ME3 combat system and inventory to make it good but less ****ty than the ME1 system. 

I thought the inventory system for Me1 and DA:O were perfect.  I never complained about them. 

Perfect really? No ME1 inventory system was a jumbled mess. I mostly ended up converting most of it into freaking omni gel or just selling most of the crap weapons and upgrades at a certain point. DAO was better but it had its problems which was not fixed at all in DA2 and was just changed.

[Terror_K]

jreezy wrote...

When you make comments for others to see you should already know that praise or criticisms could come your way. I don't see what you have to be angry about.

There's a difference between legitimate criticism and bringing up decent counter points that can trigger a debate and just going, "you're just an elitist hater who whines and is butthurt!" and the like. Even if such responses do pretty much automatically prove my overall point with their lack of intelligence or insight alone.

In short: attack the point, not the person.

Modifié par Terror_K, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:17 .

[Vegos]

1136342t54 wrote...

Vegos wrote...
There is only one possible conclusion from 1) and 2). You didn't have to have said it.

Why? So I can repeat it multiple times or spend half an hour again attempting to get it through your head of some minor humor? Yeah not gonna happen.

"Challenge me"? "Run away from?". Uhm, no, sorry, won't fly. The only thing I "run ayway from" is the incessant nagging that I should repeat myself for everyone's convenience.

That and you don't like stating your opinions because you are annoyed when someone attempts to discuss with you in a discussion thread.

Care to list a few, explain why they're trolls and sho how they held their ground? I mean, you made the claim, you prove it.

Hey you find the Trolls they are somewhere on this forum and past threads. I know where the threads are but I don't need to be bothered by looking for them.

You know what I actually like this arguing style I may just use this against you a lot more. 

You know, the fundamental difference between me saying "I have already answered that question, look it up" and you saying "Oh it's out there somewhere, look it up" is glaringly obvious.

So, feel free to use that arguing style against me, but at least have the common courtesy to use it CORRECTLY, for crying out loud.

[1136342t54_]

tfive24 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

tfive24 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

tfive24 wrote...

I think it's not going to be a rpg. I think that Bioware wants to make games like Uncharted series. You can see it coming with the iconic looks, Voiced Pcs, and a more cinematic game. 

Bioware said they like stories and want to focus more into story like games. I'm thinking they may start focusing less on gameplay like DAO or DA2 and even ME3 and have it more linear. The story and choices could get better.

That's what they are going to do. It's going to be more a linear action game.(Which I hate by the way.)

I'm assuming that you didn't read my post correctly. They said they wanted to focus more on STORY in their games usually and go more linear when it comes to combat systems. Think about it Bioware when it came to ME series has gotten more linear with gameplay and inventory. Hell due to many complaints they had to improve the actual combat in ME3.

I read it right, but I was talking about their future games. I think the new mass effect games will be just straight actions games and not rpgs. 

Maybe maybe not but I don't think so.  Bioware hasn't necessarily expressed interest in a pure action game.

[1136342t54_]

Vegos wrote...

You know, the fundamental difference between me saying "I have already answered that question, look it up" and you saying "Oh it's out there somewhere, look it up" is glaringly obvious.

So, feel free to use that arguing style against me, but at least have the common courtesy to use it CORRECTLY, for crying out loud.

*Shrugs* Not really when its both equally wrong and idiotic. I could easily show you the trolls but why should I when you won't necessarily bring up proof. Although it is likely my fault since I do not feel like linking definitions and threads from other sites on Trolls and Flamers since I may get banned (not exactly sure the policy on that here) and it would be taking the topic further off the rails than it usually did.

Considering this mostly started due to you making an attempt play the douchebag (something you basically admitted) over a small post because you want to use the title of Villain that you claim you have been given just makes this pointless since I can already tell where this will go.

[1136342t54_]

Terror_K wrote...

There's a difference between legitimate criticism and bringing up decent counter points that can trigger a debate and just going, "you're just an elitist hater who whines and is butthurt!" and the like. Even if such responses do pretty much automatically prove my overall point with their lack of intelligence or insight alone.

In short: attack the point, not the person.

So why bring up those points when the words elitist hater and butthurt hasn't been used often in this thread or at all. 

Also my use of the word butthurt was in response to the constant idiocy Vegos has shown whenever I even attempt a discussion with him that start off civil but ending up with Vegos basically bringing it completely off the rails.

[Vegos]

1136342t54 wrote...

Considering this mostly started due to you making an attempt play the douchebag (something you basically admitted) over a small post because you want to use the title of Villain that you claim you have been given just makes this pointless since I can already tell where this will go.

More power to you, then.

[Thompson family]

Terror_K wrote...

jreezy wrote...

When you make comments for others to see you should already know that praise or criticisms could come your way. I don't see what you have to be angry about.

There's a difference between legitimate criticism and bringing up decent counter points that can trigger a debate and just going, "you're just an elitist hater who whines and is butthurt!" and the like. Even if such responses do pretty much automatically prove my overall point with their lack of intelligence or insight alone.

In short: attack the point, not the person.

Truth is a defense.

[Vegos]

1136342t54 wrote...


So why bring up those points when the words elitist hater and butthurt hasn't been used often in this thread or at all.

Oh really?

1136342t54 wrote...

If not then stop feeling butt hurt over thinking I'm referring to you as a complainer.

Admittedly, you did use a space there. Once is often enough, if your digging for one of my specific posts where I used the word "resources" to use against me is to be believed.


You have me at a disadvantage, however. If I go "You know, I'm fed up with this, go find someone else to argue with" you'll of course use the "you're running away" card on me again, aren't you. Oh dear, oh dear, what to do, what to do...

Modifié par Vegos, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:28 .

[tfive24]

1136342t54 wrote...

tfive24 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Vegos wrote...

Yet the sheer irony of the fact that someone says they're making a game more action and linear for the story's sake leaves me laughing.

You do know people have complained incessantly about the combat and inventory systems being to dumbed down right? It isn't difficult to understand Bioware put so much work in the ME3 combat system and inventory to make it good but less ****ty than the ME1 system. 

I thought the inventory system for Me1 and DA:O were perfect.  I never complained about them. 

Perfect really? No ME1 inventory system was a jumbled mess. I mostly ended up converting most of it into freaking omni gel or just selling most of the crap weapons and upgrades at a certain point. DAO was better but it had its problems which was not fixed at all in DA2 and was just changed.

Since I guess that i love to micro- mange, the inventory for ME1 didn't bother me at all. 

[1136342t54_]

Vegos wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


So why bring up those points when the words elitist hater and butthurt hasn't been used often in this thread or at all.

Oh really?

1136342t54 wrote...

If not then stop feeling butt hurt over thinking I'm referring to you as a complainer.

Admittedly, you did use a space there. Once is often enough, if your digging for one of my specific posts where I used the word "resources" to use against me is to be believed.

Another reason why I'm not really going to keep bothering with you. Your intention span is shot.

Also my use of the word butthurt was in response to the constant idiocy Vegos has shown whenever I even attempt a discussion with him that start off civil but ending up with Vegos basically bringing it completely off the rails.

[1136342t54_]

tfive24 wrote...

Since I guess that i love to micro- mange, the inventory for ME1 didn't bother me at all. 

I like micro-managing a lot (mostly in RTS games) but ME1 was a bit pointless and made some parts of the game rather pointless later in the game in which you basically had a **** ton of omni-gel due to the amount of crap weapons you find. Hell even the good stuff is useless sometimes since Spectre weapons and Collossus armor is the best in the game bar none. You eventually just sell most of everything you have but ultra expensive rare stuff which isn't even expensive when you have so much credits by selling useless crap.

[Vegos]

1136342t54 wrote...

Also my use of the word butthurt was in response to the constant idiocy Vegos has shown whenever I even attempt a discussion with him that start off civil but ending up with Vegos basically bringing it completely off the rails.

Idiocy is a serious, crippling mental condition. A person with that condition would not even be capable, or allowed to have a forum account.

Yes, I may be annoying, I may be obnoxious, I may be nitpicky, but, I am not an idiot.

But the fact is, the only thing I ever called you was "obnoxious".

[1136342t54_]

Vegos wrote...

Idiocy is a serious, crippling mental condition. A person with that condition would not even be capable, or allowed to have a forum account.

Yes, I may be annoying, I may be obnoxious, I may be nitpicky, but, I am not an idiot.

But the fact is, the only thing I ever called you was "obnoxious".

Then you are purposely being annoying when arguing. Thank you for pointing it out.

[Siegdrifa]

Bioware is trying hard to appeal to different audiance, without cutting too much cornner it seems with action / story / RPG, so, it's for the best.

I'm waiting though how many people will complain that story mode is too short, and action mode is lacking choice.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:36 .

[Vegos]

1136342t54 wrote...

Then you are purposely being annoying when arguing. Thank you for pointing it out.

I pointed out that I "may be" annoying, and I never said I was purposely so.

Well except with the people who expect that of me. Can'd disappoint them, have to feed their convicion on how good they can judge others' characters.

Modifié par Vegos, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:40 .