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[Labrev]

Does anyone really care that he dies?

I'd already read about the kid in the GI mag, one of the ME3 articles that came after the one featuring Sheploo on the cover. So now I finally got to see it, I don't feel any differently than when I read it.

This is war, Shepard of all people knows this (at least he/she should). Tragedy is in his background as an Earthborn or Colonist. It is again in his military service: War Hero, Ruthless, Sole Survivor. Why he gets so emotionally affected by some random kid dying is a bit baffling.

Just seems like a weak attempt to make us feel tragedy in the intro scene.

[Someone With Mass]

It's better than try to talk us into the seriousness of the situation. I'm looking at you, ME2.

[Inutaisho7996]

"Hard to imagine galaxy. Too many people. Faceless. Statistics. Easy to depersonalize...For this fight, want personal connection. Can't anthropomophize galaxy."

Seeing the kid die is much more personal and effective than being told that people are dying. "Show, don't tell" is a fundemantal rule of great story telling.

Modifié par Inutaisho7996, 05 novembre 2011 - 10:06 .

[Labrev]

Montezuma IV wrote...

I don't know why people are obsessing over this little boy (pedophiles?). It's not like it's a new concept. It's merely a kid, who Shepard notices, added for emotional reasons.

But -- Yeah, I agree with you. It's cheesy. I'm not going to flip out about it, though.

And that's the other thing, the only kid we've ever seen in the ME universe.

Up to this point I've been happy that they kept kids out of the picture. And, this is kinda why.

[mango smoothie]

I think if they really wanted to add drama right form the beginning of the game they should have killed off a well known character.

[slimgrin]

It's an attempt at emotional narrative. Whether its effective, I dunno. I wouldn't say it's a bad idea, but using children always runs the risk of smarmy melodrama. I would have used a grown woman myself, better dialog than "everyone is dying"

Felt the same way with TW2's 'dramatic' death scene of Foltest. The fact he had kids didn't make me care any more about him one bit.

Modifié par slimgrin, 05 novembre 2011 - 10:10 .

[upsettingshorts]

slimgrin wrote...

It's an attempt at emotional narrative. Whether its effective, I dunno. I wouldn't say it's a bad idea, but using children always runs the risk of smarmy melodrama. I would have used a grown woman myself, better dialog than "everyone is dying"

Felt the same way with TW2's 'dramatic' death scene of Foltest. The fact he had kids didn't make me care any more about him one bit.

So you'd rather stuff a woman in the fridge than a kid?

It'd still be fridge stuffing, wouldn't it?  At least a child is more objectively vulnerable and innocent. 

[C9316]

Montezuma IV wrote...

I don't know why people are obsessing over this little boy (pedophiles?). It's not like it's a new concept. It's merely a kid, who Shepard notices, added for emotional reasons.

But -- Yeah, I agree with you. It's cheesy. I'm not going to flip out about it, though.

I agree with you, oh and Inb4BigBenSniper.

[marstor05]

its not cheesy to us parents. Thought it was brilliant - and sheps face when it happened......

[Mr.House]

This is war, people die, children die. This shows us that no one is save.

[GMagnum]

smh if i was dat kid i woulda hid in a trash can or sum shyt how da fk u go fly dat sht rite in front of a reaper? pilot hella dumb

[Candidate 88766]

The fact that they kill the only child the series has shown so far in the first level really sets the tone for the rest of the game I think. It may not mean a huge amount because we don't know who this kid is, but it at least shows that Bioware isn't going to shy away from anything - most games don't show children at all, let alone show them dying. It may be cheesy to some, but it at least drives home the point that nothing is safe. They don't milk the scene - just a few glimpses of the child before he dies, and a few words with him, and that's enough for us to feel the emotion of it.

That scene, followed by the the Normandy abandoning a burning Earth, with the music they had in the background, is incredible imo.

[slimgrin]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

It's an attempt at emotional narrative. Whether its effective, I dunno. I wouldn't say it's a bad idea, but using children always runs the risk of smarmy melodrama. I would have used a grown woman myself, better dialog than "everyone is dying"

Felt the same way with TW2's 'dramatic' death scene of Foltest. The fact he had kids didn't make me care any more about him one bit.

So you'd rather stuff a woman in the fridge than a kid?

It'd still be fridge stuffing, wouldn't it?  At least a child is more objectively vulnerable and innocent. 

Either way I credit them for killing the kid. It reflects the cold fact that war spares no one. But I have a hard time taking children seriously as a literary device. It's like killing kittens. They're so damn cute, they don't deserve to die.

Modifié par slimgrin, 05 novembre 2011 - 11:55 .

[Welsh Inferno]

GMagnum wrote...

smh if i was dat kid i woulda hid in a trash can or sum shyt how da fk u go fly dat sht rite in front of a reaper? pilot hella dumb

ur killin mah braincellz bro

On-topic: I think it worked well personally, nearly shed a tear as they were leaving earth. Although Clint Mansells work probably had a lot to do with that.

[Lady Amell]

Montezuma IV wrote...

I don't know why people are obsessing over this little boy (pedophiles?). It's not like it's a new concept. It's merely a kid, who Shepard notices, added for emotional reasons.

But -- Yeah, I agree with you. It's cheesy. I'm not going to flip out about it, though.

BSN at its finest.

[DoNotIngest]

GMagnum wrote...

smh if i was dat kid i woulda hid in a trash can or sum shyt how da fk u go fly dat sht rite in front of a reaper? pilot hella dumb

fer reelz bro



seen wuld hit me mor emoshunully if bitz of da kid hit ma Sheperd wen he flu by teh exploshion, ykno?

[Bekkael]

marstor05 wrote...

its not cheesy to us parents. Thought it was brilliant - and sheps face when it happened......

^ This. I teared up when I saw it the first time....and then again the second time. I assume depending on the circumstances of your real life it will be more or less poignant.

[Labrev]

Mr.House wrote...

This is war, people die, children die. This shows us that no one is save.

Yeah but, when did I ever forget this? Many innocent people died through ME1 and 2.

[Nizzemancer]

They mostly come at night, mostly.

[Welsh Inferno]

Bekkael wrote...

marstor05 wrote...

its not cheesy to us parents. Thought it was brilliant - and sheps face when it happened......

^ This. I teared up when I saw it the first time....and then again the second time. I assume depending on the circumstances of your real life it will be more or less poignant.

Cannot wait to witness it in the fully polished game.