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[Abraham_uk]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Does anyone really care that he dies?

I'd already read about the kid in the GI mag, one of the ME3 articles that came after the one featuring Sheploo on the cover. So now I finally got to see it, I don't feel any differently than when I read it.

This is war, Shepard of all people knows this (at least he/she should). Tragedy is in his background as an Earthborn or Colonist. It is again in his military service: War Hero, Ruthless, Sole Survivor. Why he gets so emotionally affected by some random kid dying is a bit baffling.

Just seems like a weak attempt to make us feel tragedy in the intro scene.

About that kid. I have talked to people who've been in wars. Dying is something soldiers have to live with. Doesn't stop them getting emotional about it. To stop that a soldier would have to have a brain alteration operation to remove certain emotions. Shepard get's emotional (and not overly emotional just emotional) because Shepard actually cares. The child reminds him of what is at stake. The child represents the very future that is about to be destroyed by the Reapers. This spurs him on.

Tregedy isn't something one gets used to. No one gets used to tragedy. People just deal with it. But in the heat of the moment, he will still be haunted by past tragedies and all the more determined to make sure the same doesn't happen to that child.

This isn't a cheap tactic. This is a good way of getting the audience to feel sympathy. It also makes Shepard appear (excuse the cliche) more human. That in and of itself is a good thing.

[avengeASTRID]

I cared he died. I gasped. I covered my mouth. I thought for a second maybe he was going to get away and then that Reaper rose up and in an instant, he was just gone. I have a soft spot for children, so maybe that's why it affected me. It was a good way of showing war on a personal level. Like a PP said above, you can talk all you want about war and people dying, but it's a lot more personal when you witness it. Even Ashley said in ME1 that it's hard when you see soldiers die, but you never get used to seeing dead civilians. Honestly, if it had been an adult, it wouldn't have affected me. It also demonstrated how helpless Shepard is, really, in the scheme of things. It was a good scene.

[Ghost Lightning]

Why do I suddenly feel like quoting the Joker's "All according to plan" speech?

[Warheadz]

avengeASTRID wrote...

I cared he died. I gasped. I covered my mouth. I thought for a second maybe he was going to get away and then that Reaper rose up and in an instant, he was just gone. I have a soft spot for children, so maybe that's why it affected me. It was a good way of showing war on a personal level. Like a PP said above, you can talk all you want about war and people dying, but it's a lot more personal when you witness it. Even Ashley said in ME1 that it's hard when you see soldiers die, but you never get used to seeing dead civilians. Honestly, if it had been an adult, it wouldn't have affected me. It also demonstrated how helpless Shepard is, really, in the scheme of things. It was a good scene.

Pfft, weaklings.

[Lord_Valandil]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Does anyone really care that he dies?

No.

avengeASTRID wrote...

I cared he died. I gasped. I covered my mouth.

Like...seriously?

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 05 novembre 2011 - 10:36 .

[DarthCaine]

I've found many games to be emotional. Heck, I cried at the end of MGS3.

However, BioWare fails at instilling emotion in ANY of their games. The best I've seen is Jack's romance scene.

[Bekkael]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

marstor05 wrote...

its not cheesy to us parents. Thought it was brilliant - and sheps face when it happened......

^ This. I teared up when I saw it the first time....and then again the second time. I assume depending on the circumstances of your real life it will be more or less poignant.

Cannot wait to witness it in the fully polished game.

Nor can I. If this is the quality of this raw and unready beta... I fully expect to be mesmerized on all my playthroughs.

[Bekkael]

jreezy wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

marstor05 wrote...

its not cheesy to us parents. Thought it was brilliant - and sheps face when it happened......

^ This. I teared up when I saw it the first time....and then again the second time. I assume depending on the circumstances of your real life it will be more or less poignant.

Not gonna lie, my eyes felt a little "weird" while watching that. I didn't cry though, have to keep up manly appearances even with no one around.

It's okay, even manly men can have feelings.

[C9316]

Warheadz wrote...
Pfft, weaklings.

This.

[avengeASTRID]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Does anyone really care that he dies?

No.

avengeASTRID wrote...

I cared he died. I gasped. I covered my mouth.

Like...seriously?

No, I'm joking.

... Yes, seriously.

[Fatemaster]

Is it wrong that, after seeing the kid dying, I let off a manly scream which meant "Reapers Are Dead"?

[Omega-202]

mango smoothie wrote...

I think if they really wanted to add drama right form the beginning of the game they should have killed off a well known character.

You mean like in ME2's intro where they blasted Pressley into the afterlife?  Or ME1 where they killed off Nihilus and Jenkins?  

You can't keep going back and doing the same thing.  Otherwise its "Open story, Kill named character, Greave for 4 seconds."

If they wanted an impactful loss they had to move on and try something different.  A child is a symbol of needless loss.  The other three I listed were military men.  They knew the costs of their work.  A child shows just how horrible this fight is going to be compared to the previous ones.  He's a civilian and an innocent one at that.  

Not to mention the fact that we don't know the whole story here.  I still find it odd that nobody besides Shepard acknowledges the child.  Anderson ignores the whole vent incident, the soldiers and passengers in the shuttle neglect to help the kid get into the shuttle (despite him struggling to even get his foot up) and it doesn't show Ash or any of the others on the Normandy even looking at him.  I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the kid is part of Shepard's broken psyche.  

[Fdingo]

The scene with the shuttles going down was pretty powerful, but quite frankly I thought the kid was just cliche.

[Lord_Valandil]

avengeASTRID wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Does anyone really care that he dies?

No.

avengeASTRID wrote...

I cared he died. I gasped. I covered my mouth.

Like...seriously?

No, I'm joking.

... Yes, seriously.

Well, I don't want to look like a random "internet tough guy", I'll admit that some games have surprised me and made me go all emotional and sensitive...but I couldn't care less about that kid.

[Hathur]

Bekkael wrote...

It's okay, even manly men can have feelings.

Yep... wish more men would learn that showing their emotions isn't shameful (not to women anyway... though I guess for your fellow guy friends maybe it is?)..Nothing "unmanly" or unattractive about men who show they can feel the impact of emotional events - quite the contrary in fact, I wish more guys were willing to show they can empathize rather than just staring coldly or dispassionately.... the only unattractive kind of crying from guys are those who cry because they don't get their way or if they drop a hammer on their foot or such 

[CptData]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

"Hard to imagine galaxy. Too many people. Faceless. Statistics. Easy to depersonalize...For this fight, want personal connection. Can't anthropomophize galaxy."

Seeing the kid die is much more personal and effective than being told that people are dying. "Show, don't tell" is a fundemantal rule of great story telling.

Exactly. Did you care when dozens of colonies got abducted in ME2? Nope. Because you didn't know any of those people.
Do you care if an entire world gets obliterated? Nope.

But you know that little boy. And you know he dies in that very moment.

[GMagnum]

Hathur wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

It's okay, even manly men can have feelings.

Yep... wish more men would learn that showing their emotions isn't shameful (not to women anyway... though I guess for your fellow guy friends maybe it is?)..Nothing "unmanly" or unattractive about men who show they can feel the impact of emotional events - quite the contrary in fact, I wish more guys were willing to show they can empathize rather than just staring coldly or dispassionately.... the only unattractive kind of crying from guys are those who cry because they don't get their way or if they drop a hammer on their foot or such 

i cried @ da end of da lion king 
hellooooo ladiessssss 
*spray breathmint in mouf 2 get rid of da blunt odor*

[Welsh Inferno]

jreezy wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

marstor05 wrote...

its not cheesy to us parents. Thought it was brilliant - and sheps face when it happened......

^ This. I teared up when I saw it the first time....and then again the second time. I assume depending on the circumstances of your real life it will be more or less poignant.

Not gonna lie, my eyes felt a little "weird" while watching that. I didn't cry though, have to keep up manly appearances even with no one around.

Same here. I felt a tear coming but held it back.

[Bekkael]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

avengeASTRID wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Does anyone really care that he dies?

No.

avengeASTRID wrote...

I cared he died. I gasped. I covered my mouth.

Like...seriously?

No, I'm joking.

... Yes, seriously.

Well, I don't want to look like a random "internet tough guy", I'll admit that some games have surprised me and made me go all emotional and sensitive...but I couldn't care less about that kid.

Possibly you lack the ovaries.   Everyone has a different level of empathy/sympathy, and what's powerful and emotional for some may be silly and cliched for others. I like that they went with an innocent bystander as a casualty over killing Anderson, and choosing a small child as victim isn't something I've seen them do before.. Anderson dying in the intro would have felt cheap to me. To each his own.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I thought the kid worked well. The scene where he dies is to give the player another perspective on the situation.

And I applaud Bioware for using a child, since children are usually the characters that have the biggest chance of backfiring.

[mango smoothie]

Omega-202 wrote...

mango smoothie wrote...

I think if they really wanted to add drama right form the beginning of the game they should have killed off a well known character.

You mean like in ME2's intro where they blasted Pressley into the afterlife?  Or ME1 where they killed off Nihilus and Jenkins?  

You can't keep going back and doing the same thing.  Otherwise its "Open story, Kill named character, Greave for 4 seconds."

If they wanted an impactful loss they had to move on and try something different.  A child is a symbol of needless loss.  The other three I listed were military men.  They knew the costs of their work.  A child shows just how horrible this fight is going to be compared to the previous ones.  He's a civilian and an innocent one at that.  

Not to mention the fact that we don't know the whole story here.  I still find it odd that nobody besides Shepard acknowledges the child.  Anderson ignores the whole vent incident, the soldiers and passengers in the shuttle neglect to help the kid get into the shuttle (despite him struggling to even get his foot up) and it doesn't show Ash or any of the others on the Normandy even looking at him.  I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the kid is part of Shepard's broken psyche.  

Even though right now I don't think its Shepard broken psyche. I think I would want it to be that Shepard going through mental problems would be great. Also I don't consider Nihlus, Jenkins, or even Pressley well known characters. Just side characters mean't to be expendable.

Modifié par mango smoothie, 05 novembre 2011 - 10:57 .