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[The Hierophant]

I'm replaying DA2, specifically Anders quest Tranquility. Near the end of Anders', Karl's convo the latter loses touch with the fade. Karl says "Why do you look at me like that?" as if he's been afflicted by sudden amnesia or alzheimer's. I thought T.R.o.T only severs a mage's connection to the fade,and  their emotions, not their memories?

I've checked the DA:O/DA2 codex, and the wiki and nowhere does it mention that T.R.o.T affects a mage's memories. I can't even remember (irony)  if this subject was touched upon later in the game. Is this the  Kirkwall orders' alteration to the rite or a writing oversight?

I've checked to see if anyone's made a similiar thread, and i apologize in advance for not finding it.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 05 novembre 2011 - 11:54 .

[AlexXIV]

Probably because Anders looks at him with pity and he doesn't understand why. Because for Tranquils tranquility is a favorable condition. Which makes is look very much like indoctrination.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 06 novembre 2011 - 12:11 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I suspect it's an oversight. A few things about Dragon Age 2's portrayal of being tranquil that doesn't seem o jive with what it is said to be like. There's still a journal of a tranquil in the game where they talk about their old life, yet Karl says he never think about it if you are one.

[ReallyRue]

AlexXIV wrote...

Probably because Anders looks at him with pity and he doesn't understand why. Because for Tranquils tranquility is a favorable condition. Which makes is look very much like indoctrination.

This, effectively. It's only altered his opinion on the situation, not his memory of it. He no longer understands why Anders is given him a heartbroken look.

[Zanallen]

Perhaps he just doesn't understand the emotions that are present on Anders' face? Or it could have something to do with the unusual circumstances of the event. Perhaps it is a side effect of having his connection momentarily restored? I don't recall any other instances of a tranquil mage being restored.

[General User]

Cant say about memories.

What I took away from that mission is that "tranquility" is not quite as "permanent" as advertised.

Modifié par General User, 06 novembre 2011 - 12:18 .

[The Hierophant]

AlexXIV wrote...

Probably because Anders looks at him with pity and he doesn't understand why. Because for Tranquils tranquility is a favorable condition. Which makes is look very much like indoctrination.

Seeing that Anders had a knife in his hand  Karl seemed baffled, Karl sounded like he didn't remember that he begged for death a minute ago.

Sorry for the late response.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 06 novembre 2011 - 12:27 .

[AlexXIV]

The Hierophant wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Probably because Anders looks at him with pity and he doesn't understand why. Because for Tranquils tranquility is a favorable condition. Which makes is look very much like indoctrination.

Seeing that Anders had a knife in his hand and Karl seemed baffled, Karl seemed like he didn't remember that he begged for death a minute ago.

Sorry for the late response.

Yeah ... well that's not one of the story highlights. He should probably have said something like *robotic tone* 'Don't kill me please, thank you.'

[The Hierophant]

^Lol got me there, i believe this is another case of me overanalyzing things.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 06 novembre 2011 - 12:43 .

[Sons of Horus]

It was just added in to the scene for effect. It supposed to be "oh its sad he can't remember what happened a minute ago", but becoming tranquil doesn’t effect the memory nor do you forget what emotions you feel (see the mage origin Owain when you have a chat with him). The scene looks stupid by trying too hard.

[LobselVith8]

It could be because Karl was made normal again by unnatural means, via Anders' symbiosis with Justice, so it wasn't a standard example of a mage going back to being tranquil (although the procedure of a person losing their humanity sounds monstrous to me, so I could understand why Karl didn't want to continue living as a tranquil mage).

[Arthur Cousland]

Tranquil mages don't lose their memories.

Owain in Origins remembered his childhood, even being tranquil.

[thats1evildude]

ReallyRue wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Probably because Anders looks at him with pity and he doesn't understand why.

This, effectively. It's only altered his opinion on the situation, not his memory of it. He no longer understands why Anders is given him a heartbroken look.

Yeah, that's what I took from that scene as well.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 06 novembre 2011 - 06:36 .

[Gervaise]

It may also have to do with the fact that he was an enforced tranquil as opposed to a voluntary one. This may have damaged his mind more than it ordinarily would. However, the complete restoration of faculties on contact with Justice would bely this. If making him tranquil is like beheading him, then the fade creature was acting like a replacement head. Also killing him without considering the possibility that if this had been done once, it could be done agan and with more permanency.

Still a lot of things that occur in connection with Anders' quests seem to be done for dramatic effect without the writers really giving consideration how against former lore it is and in fact logical thinking. I live in hope that DA3 will reconcile and clarify many of the queries that DA2 raised.

[Plaintiff]

While Karl may still have his memories, the loss of emotion changes their context. He may remember his relationship with Anders, but he is incapable of comprehending its significance in relation to the current situation. As a tranquil, Karl's understanding of emotion (if any) is purely academic, he no longer has his experience of it to draw from in order to make inferences. He sees that Anders has an unusual expression on his face (one of deep sorrow and hurt, I suppose), but doesn't understand WHY, and that is why he is asking.