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#276
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In the intro of Mass effect 2, it's simple, we have nothing to say, except something to Liara / Kaidan / Ashley and Joker. We wait ten minutes before playing to the game. So I don't see that much difference. And yet, after, It was cool.

And M3 is the last episode for us hardcore players, but will be the first one, for many new players. It is essential for them to understand the situation and I thought that thanks to the cutscenes, besides dynamic, they could understand well what's going on. Because that is not easy after two first episodes.

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CaptainZaysh wrote...

We should just do it in all of his threads. And Ian Polaris's.

-Zaysh

Why would you inflict Ian Polaris on us?

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tonnactus wrote...

MatronAdena wrote...
 Bioware already allows more player choice than anyone in the industry.


Then you obviously dont played many games in your life...


could be, I have two active children and a spouse, and other things in life that take away that; besides bioware games most that are ever pointed out tend to be the bioshocks, assassins creeds etc really only hear the hype games like gow or the different war based ones like battlefield and such.

There has been a gaming console in my house dating back to the intellvision ..it's hard to jump up and down and nitpick over things when you spent at least 20 years of your life with games that the main character was a square blob with the only aim of point A to point B. the ability to choose " anything" is a fairly new thing in that 30some years I've been around. unless you go classic pen and paper games back before we had such things as the webbernets and such.. If certain game never really get mentioned or see the light of day where I am as far as advertizing and the likes....then by all means please enlighten me in which games those would be, as I've never seen anything to this point that have a deep story AND allow you to make choices through the whole thing. > and Im not ****y about that, Im genuinly curious 

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Why would you inflict Ian Polaris on us?


Well he also does that thing of signing off on each one of his screeds.  That's not the only similarity between the two of them, either.  I don't care what either of them think about anything.

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Ferris95 wrote...

Ruud333 wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Y'know what I really hate, is the way Polite signs all his posts. As if we didn't know who'd written them. It's pompous.

-Zaysh


Hmmm...I sense a potential BSN meme.

-Ruud


:D Ha ha ha ha!

Ruud is like rude. Polite and rude, eh?

:mellow: I'll just leave.

-95


Image IPB Brilliant!

I can't believe the whole Ruud/rude thing didn't occur to me *faceplam*

-Ruud....errr.....rude

Modifié par Ruud333, 06 novembre 2011 - 09:04 .


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Geth_Prime wrote...

Eh, I could argue with Polite, but IsaacShep's doing too good a job for me to bother.

Such a shame that people who make positive contributions to the forums have to spend their time arguing with haters. Oh well. It's BSN.


So critiquing a game is considered "hating"? Wow, I forgot that Bioware was 100% perfect and never makes mistakes. What was I thinking? And I'll have to add that no one has been able to come up with a sufficient counter argument, IsaacShep included, so why not take a chance at it yourself? ;)


CaptainZaysh wrote...

Y'know what I really hate, is the way Polite signs all his posts. As if we didn't know who'd written them. It's pompous.

-Zaysh


I've been doing it for years, and so have other people. How exactly is it pompous? I find it amusing that it bothers you actually. 

-Polite

Wow the blind fanboyism is starting to come up. How predictable. :lol:

Modifié par PoliteAssasin, 06 novembre 2011 - 09:49 .


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PoliteAssasin wrote...

Well I leave the thread for a night and see all of the bioware fanboy trolls move in. I've had my fair shares of "I told you so" for me3. Might as well add another one. Well see who's talking come January.


-Polite

It seems to me that a troll would more likely be the one who constantly posts threads in an overly hyperbolic and sarcastic manner and then spams passive-aggressive attacks to people who reasonably or unreasonably disagree with him. Not the one who smacks them in the face with a verbal argument without being a contrarian.

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

ME1 had it in one instance, when you're landing on Illos.

O RLY?

As I remember it, 50% of the time in ME1 Shepard said the exact same line no matter what you picked which is way worse than having automated cinematic responses.

They're automated so the scene flows better instead of standing in one exact same spot which is how ME1 handled every motionless crappy dialogue. And all auto responses are neutral, neither renegade or paragon.

It's so easy to nitpick everything when you're LOOKING for stuff to hate the game and BioWare, while wearing rose tinted glasses in the nostalgic memories of how far worse, crappy ME1 did most things.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 06 novembre 2011 - 10:24 .


#284
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The fact that we have some auto lines does not remove your roleplaying and establish a cannon Shep. I'll try to make it simple:

Malcolm Shepard- Although Malcolm tries to do right by others he has a major blindspot when it comes to batarians ever since the raid on Mindoir. He wants to treat all aliens equally but his unfortunate first encounter with the batarians has colored his perceptions. Through a romance with Liara he evantually learns that not all aliens are like those slavers on Mindoir, he begins to regret his actions on Torfan and sets out to be a better and fairer person evantually culminating with him sparing the rachni, helping the krogan and uniting the geth.

John Shepard- A cold sniper who's life on earth taught him that might makes right, but only when that might is used justly. As the most mighty soldier in the galaxy, John has taken it upon himself to brutally punish all those criminals he meets. It was his actions on Akuze that taught him to value his squad, as such he takes Garrus under his wing and the two share a bromance (hopefully a romance if ME3 delivers but I digress :bandit:). John mostly makes Paragon decisions but will never hesitate to crush law breakers. 

Marian Shepard- A deadpan snarker with almost no mercy. The raiders on Mindoir made her feel weak and helpless. When she mastered her biotic powers she swore "Never again". Following this she comes off as a bit abrasive and more than just a little bit of jerk. Her decisions often seem cold and sometimes downright evil, but Marian always sees it as justified actions for preserving the galaxy. She lightens up a little bit in ME2 when she meets Thane who helps her to show mercy. On occasion.

Maeko Shepard- Plucky but in no way incompetent, Maeko grew up fairly isolated as a Spacer. She loves her parents and often bases decisions on what they would do in that situation. Maeko looks after her own, especially Liara who she falls in love with. In ME2 she shared a small "thing" with Garrus but evantually ended it out of loyalty to Liara. Maeko enjoys helping people, all people. She sees everyone as inheriently good, even Saren, but this beleif is being shaken during her travels. ME2 sees her becoming more cynical, even to the point of mistrusting the geth and krogan enough to not help them.

NONE of these characters are any less unique because they shared the same conversation. :pinched:



I hate to repost my own statement, but you never responded. Presented with this arguement, how exactly is there a cannon Shepard?

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Phaedon wrote...
It seems to me that a troll would more likely be the one who constantly posts threads in an overly hyperbolic and sarcastic manner and then spams passive-aggressive attacks to people who reasonably or unreasonably disagree with him. Not the one who smacks them in the face with a verbal argument without being a contrarian.


Hmm... So where is the sarcasm and hyperbole in my original statement? I love it how anyone who doesn't agree with you Phaedon is considered as a troll. Most notably the multiplayer discussion. Before it was announced, reports were coming in that it was in the game. People who were for the inclusion multiplayer were constantly attacked by you and others who shared your opinion that multiplayer was bad and isn't going to be in ME3. You even went as far as saying in your little thread that Bioware confirmed that there was no multiplayer in ME3 when in reality all they did was dodge the question. Even when the magazine covers were starting to show multi early October, you still trolled people who were getting excited about it. You're one to talk boy. :lol: It's quite evident that people have reasonably disagreed with you, and yet you still barked down the possibility of multiplayer in ME3. In my case however, I've yet to see a convincing response from the participants in this thread to the concerns I've outlined in the last 12 pages or so. But keep trying. :) 

-Polite

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MatronAdena wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

MatronAdena wrote...
 Bioware already allows more player choice than anyone in the industry.


Then you obviously dont played many games in your life...


could be, I have two active children and a spouse, and other things in life that take away that; besides bioware games most that are ever pointed out tend to be the bioshocks, assassins creeds etc really only hear the hype games like gow or the different war based ones like battlefield and such.

There has been a gaming console in my house dating back to the intellvision ..it's hard to jump up and down and nitpick over things when you spent at least 20 years of your life with games that the main character was a square blob with the only aim of point A to point B. the ability to choose " anything" is a fairly new thing in that 30some years I've been around. unless you go classic pen and paper games back before we had such things as the webbernets and such.. If certain game never really get mentioned or see the light of day where I am as far as advertizing and the likes....then by all means please enlighten me in which games those would be, as I've never seen anything to this point that have a deep story AND allow you to make choices through the whole thing. > and Im not ****y about that, Im genuinly curious 


Same here and agreed 100%, dear (though not on console part, for me, pc and changing them from Spectrum and Commodore 64 till current pc), and to be honest, I'm tired of people judging game here without even playing its proper version. E3 demo was showing the same part and the only thing we could see was the 'boy scene', now even that part is widened - now we have scene with wounded soldiers too before going onto Normandy. Unfortunatelly, gamers are too spoiled nowadays... so spoiled, that they'll even pass judgements on something that wasn't even meant to be publicly seen.

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Not to detract from the forum schism in progress--and I apologizing if I'm retracing old ground or diverting this thread from it's specific point of interest--but did anyone notice a conversation trees--Investigate options not included--in any of the leaked footage that included more than two options? I can't recall a single instance.

Modifié par Troika0, 06 novembre 2011 - 10:53 .


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Troika0 wrote...

Not to detract from the forum schism in progress, and I apologizing if I'm retracing old ground or diverting this thread from it's specific point of interest, but did anyone notice a conversation tree--Investigate options not included--in any of the leaked footage that included more than two options? I can't recall a single instance.


EDIT: Nvm. Didn't notice you said "investigate options not included"

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 06 novembre 2011 - 10:54 .


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Nope. There were only two options, good/evil responses. Hopefully we'll get a neutral response in there to vary it up a little bit.

-Polite

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Sgt Stryker wrote...

Troika0 wrote...

Not to detract from the forum schism in progress, and I apologizing if I'm retracing old ground or diverting this thread from it's specific point of interest, but did anyone notice a conversation tree--Investigate options not included--in any of the leaked footage that included more than two options? I can't recall a single instance.


Yes, when talking to Major Kirrahe.


Great, thanks, will look for that.

Ok, I just rewatched the scene I believe you were referring to--he's only in one, correct--and I didn't see more than two options present on the wheel that actually move the dialogue foreward; investigate options don't count. Is there another instance you were referring to, other than the one following the brief banter with Wrex?

Modifié par Troika0, 06 novembre 2011 - 11:01 .


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Sgt Stryker wrote...

Troika0 wrote...

Not to detract from the forum schism in progress, and I apologizing if I'm retracing old ground or diverting this thread from it's specific point of interest, but did anyone notice a conversation tree--Investigate options not included--in any of the leaked footage that included more than two options? I can't recall a single instance.


Yes, when talking to Major Kirrahe.

-Sgt


No it didn't. It only had two options: Yes I remember you, and who are you.

-Polite

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 I'm curious as to what that portends--the lack of a presumably neutral dialogue option, I mean--if it's even significant at all. I can't imagine the game's script being unfinished at this point, if they're as far along in the development process as they claim, and I can't imagine they simply left them out from the test build entirely whilst leaving other extraneous bits in.

I don't know, a person--less concerned by the perils of fomenting further dissent on these forums--might posit the possiblity that the "third-way" of the even hand was withdrawn for the sake of other design goals?

Modifié par Troika0, 06 novembre 2011 - 11:19 .


#293
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Troika0 wrote...

 I'm curious as to what that portends--the lack of a presumably neutral dialogue option, I mean--if it's even significant at all. I can't imagine the game's script being unfinished at this point, if they're as far along in the development process as they claim, and I can't imagine they simply left them out from the test build entirely whilst leaving other extraneous bits in.


I'm just as curious as you are. I'm hoping there will be some official word on this soon, and that Casey Hudson's twitter inbox is bursting with this one question.

I don't know, a person--less concerned by the perils of fomenting further dissent on these forums--might posit the possiblity that the "third-way" of the even hand was withdrawn for the sake of other design goals?


It would be very unfortunate if that were true.

-Sgt

#294
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Listen up people! MAJOR LEAK AND MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD. I am currently unable to create a thread, but the URL below will take you to INSANE ME3 INFO LEAKS. If someone could create a thread concerning this (and I would appreciate being credited), I would be grateful.

http://www.bioware.ru/

This page leaks ALL ME3 MISSIONS, ALL POWERS, ALL WEAPONS AND ENEMY INFO, PLUS MORE.

Not messing around here, LEGIT INFO, straight from the Russian BW community site.

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Well gentlemen I believe it's time to let this thread die. I'm sure most of you are right and the will probably be more choice in the intro in the official demo. Right now all we can do is wait and see.

-Polite

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

Well gentlemen I believe it's time to let this thread die. I'm sure most of you are right and the will probably be more choice in the intro in the official demo. Right now all we can do is wait and see.

-Polite


That's how people should be thinking anyway, but that would mean people have common sense. 

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Let's be optimistic, gents ;)

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

Phaedon wrote...
It seems to me that a troll would more likely be the one who constantly posts threads in an overly hyperbolic and sarcastic manner and then spams passive-aggressive attacks to people who reasonably or unreasonably disagree with him. Not the one who smacks them in the face with a verbal argument without being a contrarian.


Hmm... So where is the sarcasm and hyperbole in my original statement? I love it how anyone who doesn't agree with you Phaedon is considered as a troll. Most notably the multiplayer discussion. Before it was announced, reports were coming in that it was in the game. People who were for the inclusion multiplayer were constantly attacked by you and others who shared your opinion that multiplayer was bad and isn't going to be in ME3. You even went as far as saying in your little thread that Bioware confirmed that there was no multiplayer in ME3 when in reality all they did was dodge the question. Even when the magazine covers were starting to show multi early October, you still trolled people who were getting excited about it. You're one to talk boy. :lol: It's quite evident that people have reasonably disagreed with you, and yet you still barked down the possibility of multiplayer in ME3. In my case however, I've yet to see a convincing response from the participants in this thread to the concerns I've outlined in the last 12 pages or so. But keep trying. :) 

-Polite


I love how what he actually describes is himself there.  His responses are all hyperbole and sarcasm,  rather than ever dealing with the arguement at hand.  He takes strawmanning to a whole new level.  Often completely ignoring the points of the poster to make up his own when he cannot come up with a counter-arguement.

The multiplayer threads are a good example,  which occurred as you described.  The RPG threads are another,  where he just literally made things up when he couldn't come up with a valid arguement,  or more than once outright assaulted newish posters because they dared to post that ME2 wasn't an RPG.

But he calls other people trolls for daring to challenge his Idol's decisions.

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Alex_SM wrote...

That was the same that Crytek said about Crysis 2 to keep people hyped after their mediocre Beta, and then everything was exactly the same. Also is the same Bioware said after the demo of DA2, and then everything was exactly the same. Also is the same as Gearbox said after Duke Nukem Forever demo, and then everything was exactly the same. Also is what Dice said after Battlefield 3 beta, and then everything was exactly the same.

When a game reaches beta phase devs never make major changes. They fix things that don't work, polish technical aspects (textures, sounds, etc...) may change dialogue lines (but just the lines, usually not the scripting) and that's all.

A Beta is 95% the final game.


Post of the month!

So basically, based on the first twenty minutes of beta version of an incredibly long game using the default character from which we have already seen footage of heavy use of the dialogue wheel, we have assumed that the entire game has no levels of personal conversation choices in it, which goes against everything BioWare has told us about the game and also goes against one of Mass Effect's biggest features.

BSN has reached new levels of fail


I'll bet if I dig hard enough on the DA2 boards I can find this exact paragraph there too,  prior to release.

Honestly,  I don't know why people keep trying the "Bioware is honest" card after DA2,  PS3 ME2,  the Multiplayer thing,  etc,  etc.  

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nvm

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