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[Jaron Oberyn]

Torhagen wrote...

you missunderstand it not you that is trolling i totally agree with you

My mistake then, I thought that was directed at me. Carry on then. 

-Polite

[Yuoaman]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Beta=Not Finished.

If the cutscenes, animations and general gameplay aren't finished, how can we possibly expect the dialogue to be?

Unfinished dialogue would be udina voicing one of the characters from the intro, not the 7 minutes full of automatic dialogue from Shepard. Do you honestly believe that in the final game those 7 minutes in the video will include dialogue options?

-Polite

What sort of dialog choices would you even expect in those first seven minutes? "WOW, WALKING DOWN THIS HALLWAY SURE MAKES ME ANGRY AT YOU."

[Yuoaman]

jreezy wrote...

Default =/= Canon.

This. This is the truth.

[HK-90210]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Beta=Not Finished.

If the cutscenes, animations and general gameplay aren't finished, how can we possibly expect the dialogue to be?

Unfinished dialogue would be udina voicing one of the characters from the intro, not the 7 minutes full of automatic dialogue from Shepard. Do you honestly believe that in the final game those 7 minutes in the video will include dialogue options?

-Polite

Yes.

[lobi]

Bioware and other game devs are trying to tame all Player Char protagonists. It is not just Shepard. Everyone gets a lawful alignment like it or no to cut down on negative press. They have all forgotten their roots.
My parents do not pay for my games Bioware, I do.

Modifié par lobi, 06 novembre 2011 - 02:05 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

jreezy wrote...

Default =/= Canon.

So you think that intro will go any different with an imported character? Does the joker intro go any different depending on if you talked to him or not in ME1? Nope. Don't get your hopes up. 

-Polite

[Welsh Inferno]

Yuoaman wrote...

What sort of dialog choices would you even expect in those first seven minutes? "WOW, WALKING DOWN THIS HALLWAY SURE MAKES ME ANGRY AT YOU."

A true renegade needs to punch a baby in the face every 10 yards he walks.

[Bogsnot1]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Polite,
Nowhere, in either the article, or video, was it said to have used an ME2 save game for importing.
Start a game of ME2, without using an ME1 import, and then judge again on the canon of what the video displays.
Without an import to establish the background, certain liberties mus be taken.

If that's the case, then why is there auto dialogue in ME2 when using an imported character? The Joker convo in the beginning for example? Shepard is now canon, it's clearly evident. 
-Polite

The Joker convo is auto dialgue because its the intro. Nothing in regards to Shep's background, or previous choices, is relevant while you're trying to drag Jokers brittle arse to safety. What do you expect from the intro?
"Well commander, lets ignore the dire peril which we currently face, while you regale me with stories of all of your exploits."

Nowhere in the video, or article, did they show or mention that the intro will be the same, or different, should you chose one of the other modes.
Its a beta demo. You can even see that  in the way the shuttle craft at the beginning lacks textures, Andersons lips not moving with his VA, the way Anderson and Shep "shoulder" their way past people when there is noone there.

By all means, leap to conclusions based on incomplete data. After all, it only serves to frustrate you, and not those who actually have the common sense to accept that they are not seeing the complete picture.

[Jaron Oberyn]

CastonFolarus wrote...

Yes.

I will enjoy the "I told you so" on March 6th.

-Polite

[Kaiser Shepard]

Meh, we never had that much player agency to begin with.

[HK-90210]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Yes.

I will enjoy the "I told you so" on March 6th.

-Polite

So will I.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The Joker convo is auto dialgue because its the intro. Nothing in regards to Shep's background, or previous choices, is relevant while you're trying to drag Jokers brittle arse to safety. What do you expect from the intro?
"Well commander, lets ignore the dire peril which we currently face, while you regale me with stories of all of your exploits."

Wait a second Dafoe, I was referring to the scene with Joker and the Normandy SR2. In the intro with the normandy's destruction, you get dialogue options. 

-Polite

[Jaron Oberyn]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Meh, we never had that much player agency to begin with.

In ME1 we did, ME2, not so much.

-Polite

[Yuoaman]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Polite,
Nowhere, in either the article, or video, was it said to have used an ME2 save game for importing.
Start a game of ME2, without using an ME1 import, and then judge again on the canon of what the video displays.
Without an import to establish the background, certain liberties mus be taken.

If that's the case, then why is there auto dialogue in ME2 when using an imported character? The Joker convo in the beginning for example? Shepard is now canon, it's clearly evident. 
-Polite

The Joker convo is auto dialgue because its the intro. Nothing in regards to Shep's background, or previous choices, is relevant while you're trying to drag Jokers brittle arse to safety. What do you expect from the intro?
"Well commander, lets ignore the dire peril which we currently face, while you regale me with stories of all of your exploits."

Nowhere in the video, or article, did they show or mention that the intro will be the same, or different, should you chose one of the other modes.
Its a beta demo. You can even see that  in the way the shuttle craft at the beginning lacks textures, Andersons lips not moving with his VA, the way Anderson and Shep "shoulder" their way past people when there is noone there.

By all means, leap to conclusions based on incomplete data. After all, it only serves to frustrate you, and not those who actually have the common sense to accept that they are not seeing the complete picture.

"Oh crap, the Reapers are attacking! Now, Shepard, do you have anything concerning your upbringing that would be relevant at this time? Maybe concerning your military history...?"

[Yuoaman]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The Joker convo is auto dialgue because its the intro. Nothing in regards to Shep's background, or previous choices, is relevant while you're trying to drag Jokers brittle arse to safety. What do you expect from the intro?
"Well commander, lets ignore the dire peril which we currently face, while you regale me with stories of all of your exploits."

Wait a second Dafoe, I was referring to the scene with Joker and the Normandy SR2. In the intro with the normandy's destruction, you get dialogue options. 

-Polite

What sort of choice would there be in that scene...? "It's beautiful." "It's freaking awesome." THEY AMOUNT TO THE SAME THING.

[Merci357]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Yes.

I will enjoy the "I told you so" on March 6th.

-Polite

You know, I rather enjoy the game.

[Sgt Stryker]

Would you rather have auto-dialogue (ME2), or auto-dialogue carefully disguised as choices that all lead to the same line? (ME1)

Besides, we know for a fact that just last week, they were still working on implementing conversations into the game. Who knows when the actual recording sessions took place?

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 06 novembre 2011 - 02:18 .

[Icinix]

Yeah - ok - the fact that there was stuff all dialogue choices concerned me a little.

I really hope thats just because its a beta.

[Overlord Zakaru]

Each Shepard is out to do the same thing. We just get to decide on their personality.
Are they Idealistic: aka Paragon or are they Cynical: aka Renegade. No matter what you did, you complete what you were sent out to do.

The auto dialogue would prevent us from deciding on Paragon and Renegade. But considering that the Paragon/Renegade bar is still present, unless each conversation we do get is worth a massive amount of Paragon/Renegade points, I believe there would be a huge amount of conversations where you can choose what Shepard says.

Also the decisions we each chose will transfer over if we import our saves from the previous games. If you chose to save the Council then they will reappear. Being unable to decide what Shepard says all the time will not effect that past decision. If auto dialogue is as present as you think then all future decisions and Shepard's personality would be affected.
Also considering there are chances you can get a "Reapers Win" ending, we will have major decisions to make for this third installment. Unless the ENTIRE war with the reapers is predetermined by our past actions, than there has to be the ability to choose what Shepard says to effect the ending.

Modifié par Overlord Zakaru, 06 novembre 2011 - 02:26 .

[HK-90210]

Ferris95 wrote...
Just because some of the dialogue is automated doesn't mean that all of your roleplaying up to this point has been eradicated.

And honestly these auto-lines are pretty well writtten, not to mention that if you actually got the dialogue wheel in some of these scenarios it would be mostly superflous.

Vega: "Commander."

Dialogue wheel pops up:

• "Please don't call me commander anymore."
  
• "Your not supposed to call me commander anymore."
  
• "Don't call me commander anymore."
  
• Inestigate: "What's a commander?"

 

"What's a commander?" Oh, you made my night. Still laughing as I type.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 06 novembre 2011 - 02:27 .

[Bogsnot1]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The Joker convo is auto dialgue because its the intro. Nothing in regards to Shep's background, or previous choices, is relevant while you're trying to drag Jokers brittle arse to safety. What do you expect from the intro?
"Well commander, lets ignore the dire peril which we currently face, while you regale me with stories of all of your exploits."

Wait a second Dafoe, I was referring to the scene with Joker and the Normandy SR2. In the intro with the normandy's destruction, you get dialogue options. 

-Polite

I know what you were referring to. 
There is intro dialogue the same way as ME1 had Hackett, Anderson and Udina discussing Shep's role as a Spectre candidate, and ME2 had TIM and Miranda discussing Shep being saviour of the galaxy. Just because the intro contains Shep, doesnt mean you have to have 100% control over him at that stage. The intro cutscene is there to set the stage for what will happen next.

[Chala]

Err guys take a look at this:


Here you have a lengthy talk with Mayor Kirrahe, there is no auto responses there as someone stated some pages ago..
And yes, this video is on RPG/Story mode

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 06 novembre 2011 - 02:33 .

[slimgrin]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Honestly, this is turning into uncharted in space.

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