So why is 'Admiral' Anderson still part of the Alliance and not in jail or at least discharged from the Alliance?
In Retribution he gave sensitive information pertaining to Cerberus and its connections to the Alliance to the turians. They then used this information to launch a raid against Cerberus that also included arresting Alliance officials. The fallout from this was implied to have been bad, with Anderson pre-emptively resigning his posting at the Citadel. At the end of the novel he told Kahlee Sanders that he had friends outside of the Alliance who would be helping him.
To me this indicated that at the very least he was going to be on his own and operating independently of the Systems Alliance. Truth be told, I never figured they'd arrest him or charge him with anything because of his fame. It is easier to just sweep him under the rug and cut his pensions.
I find it hard to believe he would still be with the Alliance as a commissioned officer. No matter how good his intentions, his brash move to share intel with the turians damaged the Alliance severely. Many of their members were imprisoned by the turians and the Alliance was publicly humiliated, its credibility destroyed. His move was dangerous and risked Alliance secrets being leaked to the turians who even under the best of circumstances are still a military rival. In a Renegade universe this is especially jarring because the SA and turian Hierarchy are on fairly bad terms with the latter defying conventions and begining a military buildup. The only recent cooperation with the two being the Alliance tacit approval of turian military power in response to the batarians and the two working together to track a lost survey ship.
I really doubt that the turians will take those captured Cerberus/Alliance infiltrators and just grill them for dirt on Cerberus. Part of their job as spies would have surely been to discover Alliance secrets and spill them to Cerberus. Now they can be spilled to the turians. This makes the Alliance weaker by reducing its leverage against the turians in any disputes.
Anderson is lucky his little stint didn't start a war.
So, again, why is he still part of the Alliance? Quitting his posting at the Citadel also sort of implied his position in the Alliance was gone, right? I mean it is not up to him to quit his job like that. The Alliance tells him where he will serve, he doesn't get to make that decision.
What gives?
Captain Anderson belongs in Jail
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:29
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Acting against Cerberus wouldn't put him at odds with the Alliance. The Alliance officials busted are traitors/spies, and thus enemies to the Alliance.
Going behind the Alliance's back and cooperating with the Turians is a crime, but with his track record, status, and the results of the operation, the Alliance is probably willing to overlook this due to extenuating circumstances. Just like how the Alliance won't imprison Shepard, despite essentially committing genocide against the Batarians.
Going behind the Alliance's back and cooperating with the Turians is a crime, but with his track record, status, and the results of the operation, the Alliance is probably willing to overlook this due to extenuating circumstances. Just like how the Alliance won't imprison Shepard, despite essentially committing genocide against the Batarians.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:30
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Acting against Cerberus wouldn't put him at odds with the Alliance.
Did you read my post? Get out.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:34
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Saphra Deden wrote...
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Acting against Cerberus wouldn't put him at odds with the Alliance.
Did you read my post? Get out.
I did read your post. The Alliance officials arrested were Cerberus agents and therefore terrorists, and enemies of the Alliance.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:36
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This thread is going to crash and burn so badly.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:37
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111987 wrote...
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Acting against Cerberus wouldn't put him at odds with the Alliance.
Did you read my post? Get out.
I did read your post. The Alliance officials arrested were Cerberus agents and therefore terrorists, and enemies of the Alliance.
You may have read my post but apparently you didn't actually comprehend anything. Read it again. Then read it a third time to be sure.
Then get back to me on it.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:38
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People, people just chilll we all know that Anderson will die probably, so why argue.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:40
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111987 wrote...
Acting against Cerberus wouldn't put him at odds with the Alliance. The Alliance officials busted are traitors/spies, and thus enemies to the Alliance.
Going behind the Alliance's back and cooperating with the Turians is a crime, but with his track record, status, and the results of the operation, the Alliance is probably willing to overlook this due to extenuating circumstances. Just like how the Alliance won't imprison Shepard, despite essentially committing genocide against the Batarians.
Pretty much this.
Anderson's actions were a display of loyalty to the Alliance even if he had to work with Turians to maintain operational security. Everyone killed or captured by the Turians would have been considered terrorists or traitors by the Alliance. If Anderson had instead brought that information to Alliance officials, they would have attempted the same course of action as the Turians. They also would have ordered the Alliance military or police to raid all the known Cerberus bases and round up all known cells operating in Alliance space. The only difference is that Cerberus has moles and sympathizers in the Alliance, making it more likely that Cerberus would find out about the raids before they happened.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:40
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No amount of reading is going to convince anyone but your diehard renegade compatriots that your fanfiction-derived drivel is even worth pondering upon.Saphra Deden wrote...
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Acting against Cerberus wouldn't put him at odds with the Alliance.
Did you read my post? Get out.
I did read your post. The Alliance officials arrested were Cerberus agents and therefore terrorists, and enemies of the Alliance.
You may have read my post but apparently you didn't actually comprehend anything. Read it again. Then read it a third time to be sure.
Then get back to me on it.
You want Anderson jailed? Well tough break, it's never going to happen. Arguing about it will literally get you and the people suckered into ****fencing with you nowhere.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:41
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No he doesn't.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:42
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He also probably should have gotten arrested for Saren's dicking around in Ascension, but with Anderson's track record they'll probably overlook such relatively minor things - especially since several Alliance personnel were found to be working with a terrorist organization.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:44
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There is nothing "minor" about what Anderson did. It is very, very major. As I explained he made the Alliance look incompetent and corrupt and he gave the turians a free pass to arrest Alliance officials and interrogate them. That risks Alliance secrets being leaked to the turians. It also hurts Alliance credibility in all matters interstellar, making it harder for them to do their job.
He broke protocol, he ran away from his job.
I find it ridiculous that he would be allowed to keep his commission.
He broke protocol, he ran away from his job.
I find it ridiculous that he would be allowed to keep his commission.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:45
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Saphra Deden wrote...
111987 wrote...
Saphra Deden wrote...
111987 wrote...
Acting against Cerberus wouldn't put him at odds with the Alliance.
Did you read my post? Get out.
I did read your post. The Alliance officials arrested were Cerberus agents and therefore terrorists, and enemies of the Alliance.
You may have read my post but apparently you didn't actually comprehend anything. Read it again. Then read it a third time to be sure.
Then get back to me on it.
I did comprehend it.
Anderson damaged the Alliance by removing Cerberus moles from it? Nope, in the long-term that's a positive.
The Turians are going to gain valuable intel about the Alliance from interrogations? Well since you're working on an asusmption here (being that the Turians will exploit the situation to gain an advantange against the Alliance), this argument fails. You have no proof the Turians would act in the way you described.
Anderson made the Alliance look bad/foolish? Debatable...he certainly showed the galaxy how insidious the corruption can be in the Alliance, but he also showed humanity's capability to cooperate with other species. As we saw from Shepard saving the Council in ME2, signs of cooperation like this go a long way with aliens.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:46
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I think i'm not going to take sides in this discussion, because its going straight into a wall and fast.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:51
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As for the Turians grilling captured Alliance personnel on Alliance secrets, they wouldn't be of much use to the Turians. The Citadel Council is sort of like NATO, except with more muscle. There is already a high degree of cooperation between the Alliance and Turian militaries and it is doubtful that these Alliance officials would have access to some sort of secret tech that the Turians didn't already know about, or possess themselves. It is also unlikely that as allies, that Alliance order of battle, operational procedures, equipment, tactics or strategy would be much of a mystery to the Turians.
That, and the Alliance could demand that the Turians immediately turn over any high ranking Alliance officials to Alliance custody or to have their own intelligence people present for Turian interrogations. As allies the Turians would have no choice but to comply or cause a major diplomatic incident.
That, and the Alliance could demand that the Turians immediately turn over any high ranking Alliance officials to Alliance custody or to have their own intelligence people present for Turian interrogations. As allies the Turians would have no choice but to comply or cause a major diplomatic incident.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:55
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That, and the Alliance could demand that the Turians immediately turn over any high ranking Alliance officials to Alliance custody or to have their own intelligence people present for Turian interrogations. As allies the Turians would have no choice but to comply or cause a major diplomatic incident.
Oh yeah, sure, we'll let the Alliance send their own people to watch us interrogate these Cerberus agents? Alliance people who are probably Cerberus agents themselves? I don't think so.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:55
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wait, are you talking about the comics?
I swear the comics and the games are completely different or am i going off track here? :s
I swear the comics and the games are completely different or am i going off track here? :s
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:56
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The turians and humans are both Council races, they are allies. I don't see the big problem.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 08:57
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Lockdown please, it seems Saphra Deden can't talk normal with forum members ... in fact hes acting like a ****.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 09:00
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The turians and humans are both Council races, they are allies. I don't see the big problem.
Didn't you pay attention in ME1? Did you read the novels? Did you play ME2?
The Council is a loose affiliation at best. The races are still separate, most especially the Alliance. It is an outcast, even as a member.
All the races maintain their own secrets, their own technologies, their own security services.
What Anderson did would be equivalent to an American officer, fearing infiltration of the US military by say a neo-Nazi group, going to the Chinese and asking them to arrest American military officers.
In the long run maybe it will do some good (that is debatable, especially in Anderson's case), but in the mean-time the US has had a major intelligence leak to China and lost much of its credibility.
If this weren't a big issue Anderson wouldn't have felt compelled to quit his post.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 09:02
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i kinda agree considering the canon Anderson since BW favours Udina to be a decent person in canon for some reason also Udinas personality was changed for comics and me2 canon I will never see him as anything else than a that backstabbing politicans that nearly brought doom to the galaxy maybe that was not political correct enough for EA/Bioware
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 09:07
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Saphra Deden wrote...
Didn't you pay attention in ME1? Did you read the novels? Did you play ME2?
The Council is a loose affiliation at best.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 09:09
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Alright, I'm done with this thread. Have fun with your nonsense.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 09:14
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Trolls and kids, god damn I hate you people.
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Trolls and kids, god damn I hate you people.
Looking to get banned again? What anagram will you use next account?
