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[AntiChri5]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Sheen is an actor.

Which proves what? He's just expressing an opinion.

An opinion he is very qualified to express Actors know their characters.

Saphra Deden wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

First up, he wasn't the only thing satanding between humanity or destruction.

Yes he was. Anyone else was just working for him.

Wow, you just completely ignored my actual point and focused on something else entirely. Nice dodge. Try countering my actual point, not one i neved made.

Saphra Deden wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Yes, the vast majority of the galaxy thinking you are dangerous criminals means nothing.......

On second thought, I take back what I said. Apparently I overestimated you.

It just wouldn't be a debate with you without you using a condescending ad hominem to dodge every point you cannot counter, would it little buddy?

[Takio]

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...

[quote]Takio wrote...

Yes, I'm sure the hack of the most advanced warship in space, would have no consequences at all. [/quote]

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...

Galaxy shattering consequences? I doubt it. As I said, the program was fundamentally tied to the David/VI interface. [/quote] 

Suborning EDI, would have given the VI more power, and he'd be able to infect every piece of technology. The latter, the scientist said so himself. 

[quote]Takio wrote...

Not especially, another biotic could be used for the same task. [/quote]

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote... 
That another biotic could do the same task doesn't make her any less useful. [/quote] 

She was less useful, because during the SM was one of the persons who would die, due to squishiness. 

[quote]Takio wrote...

Actually, I'm fairly sure they had.[/quote]

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...

I'm quite positive you have no idea what you are talking about. We find out from Cerberus itself where they got the rachni. They had no queen, they only had specimens born from the same queen that Binary-Helix had on Noveria. There was no threat of an infestation until your Paragon Shepard set the queen free. [/quote]

Then why would there be Brood Warriors? Why did we not see any of these? They are the ones that mate with the queen. 

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...

[quote]Takio wrote...

Obviously it was Anderson's fault that they created it, in the first place. [/quote]

It was of no danger until Anderson set it loose. [/quote] 

Yes it was, once any Cerberus personnel opened the door, he could have gone on a rampage. 

[quote]Takio wrote...

Overlord program to control the Geth? Project not complete and redundant anyway.[/quote]

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...

Cerberus are such morons for not predicting the future. In any regard, Overlord is not redundant at all. Reprogramming the Heretic geth doesn't put them under human control; it leaves them under geth control. The geth are still dangerous. They are still unfriendly and unpredictable. Overlord is as important now as it was when it was first conceived. [/quote]

The methods backfired and having an unstable autistic as the controller, is stupid anyway. Furthermore, why even try to control the Geth? Conventional weapons still kill them. 

[quote]Takio wrote...

Threser Maw research? Nothing was learned...[/quote]

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote... 

You don't even know what they were studying or why so I reccomend you just drop this subject before you make a fool of yourself. [/quote] 

Obviously, you have to kill people to learn something from an animal. And if anything was learned, why has no one seen anything beneficial regarding Threser Maws? 

[quote]Takio wrote...

Weaponize husks? Nope. [/quote]

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...

How can you judge success or failure in this case? Shepard kicked in the door and shot everything dead. [/quote]

Do we see, Cerberus controlling any husks? 

[quote]Takio wrote...

Reaper research? Nothing I could think of, was learned, except a way to make another Saren.[/quote]

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...

Yeah, I'm starting understand that. I'll help you thought: Reaper research gave us the IFF and EDI, both technologies that were invaluable in defeating the Collectors and may have further applications. Thank Cerberus for that. [/quote]

The IFF, also infected the ship. And they only have one.  To get more, you'd have to board every Reaper ship.

EDI is an AI, and creating an AI has it's own risks. Especially, if said AI could hack the Normandy at any time, once it she was unshackled. 

[quote]Takio wrote...

Heres, a better question? Can Cerberus, do anything without getting massive amounts of people killed? 
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[quote]Saphra Deden wrote... 

Probably, but I don't care either way as long as they get the job done and Cerbers gets the job done.

[/quote]

But they don't. 

[AntiChri5]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

An opinion he is very qualified to express Actors know their characters.

Some know their characters more than others. Without Sheen elaborating on why he doesn't trust the Illusive Man I'm not going to grant much weight to his opinion. Especially considering his personal politics.

Sheen isn't some D list hack. Personal politics of an actor don't really come into whether or not a character is a lying self serving autocrat with an agenda he refuses to reveal.

Saphra Deden wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

It just wouldn't be a debate with you without you using a condescending ad hominem to dodge every point you cannot counter, would it little buddy?

How've ya been?

Oh good, good. You?

[AntiChri5]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Sheen isn't some D list hack.

Yeah he's a solid B list actor I'd say.

Once again: without Sheen telling us WHY he doesn't trust TIM or what that even means we can't really use his statement to judge TIM's character. His statement was rather vague and may even have been made partly in jest.

We can certainly use it to judge his character when the question is whether or not he is trustworthy.

Saphra Deden wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Oh good, good. You?

Good, but then you showed up.

Yeah, stubborn people who aren't scared off easy must be troublesome for you.

[naledgeborn]

*is waiting for a Dean_The_Young TL;DR for /thread*

[AntiChri5]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

We can certainly use it to judge his character when the question is whether or not he is trustworthy.

No we can't.

Why is TIM not trustworthy? In what capacity is he not trustworthy? I've explained my feelings on his trustworthiness or lack there of several times. Feel free to do the same.

Yeah, we can. A simple question can have a simple answer.

I have already explained my feelings as well. You neglected to adress my points when i raised them, ignoring them because you did not have a counterargument. In that cheeky way you do.

Saphra Deden wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...


Yeah, stubborn people who aren't scared off easy must be troublesome for you.

Oh that's rich coming from you!

If only we had Nightwriter here to ****post it'd be just like old times.

Coming from me? Mate, i don't use internet arguments as an attempt to bludgeon people into submission to boost my ego, using personal attacks and other techniques to distract whoever i am debating with when i cannot counter their argument.

[Labrev]

I like Anderson but LOL yeah, he's a bit of a fool. I feel stupid making him the councilor in 2 careers. Oh well, I have 3 others to make up for it.

And, I might just have to read these nonsense books/comics already. Getting tired of not being in-the-know, and that beta leak just gave me massive ME fever.

[Seboist]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I like Anderson but LOL yeah, he's a bit of a fool. I feel stupid making him the councilor in 2 careers. Oh well, I have 3 others to make up for it.

And, I might just have to read these nonsense books/comics already. Getting tired of not being in-the-know, and that beta leak just gave me massive ME fever.

Making Anderson the councilor is the only major decision I've retconned from my main canon playthrough. My boy Udina is the councilor for all three of my Shepards. :happy:

[Bad King]

^Looking forward to seeing Udina give the other council members hell when Shepard presents them with news of the invasion. Hopefully he'll push them into taking action.

Modifié par Bad King, 06 novembre 2011 - 04:19 .

[AntiChri5]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Yeah, we can. A simple question can have a simple answer.

Here I was thinking Mass Effect had depth. Well, you've set me straight.

There being a simple answer to whether or not someone can be trusted does not mean the franchise is devoid of depth. There is a vast difference between depth and convoluted bull****.

Saphra Deden wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

I have already explained my feelings as well. You neglected to adress my points when i raised them, ignoring them because you did not have a counterargument. In that cheeky way you do.

What relevant points would those be? I didn't see any. You did say TIM's view of what is "best for mankind" was vague. I agree, I already adressed that point.

Though as far as ME2 is concerned we can trust that his feelings on that do not mean helping the Reapers. That may be different in ME3, it is a mystery.

You ignored my arguments Shand, and quoted irrelevant parts of my post and responded to a point you know i was never trying to make. I know you too well to think that that was accidental. As diversion tactics go, it is pretty good but it doesn't work when someone knows how fond you are of it. All in all, it is a bit much just to avoid admitting that you can't adress an argument.

Saphra Deden wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Coming from me? Mate, i don't use internet arguments as an attempt to bludgeon people into submission to boost my ego, using personal attacks and other techniques to distract whoever i am debating with when i cannot counter their argument.

I don't think you are a trustworthy judge of your character.

Oh i am not judging based on silly things like how i feel. I prefer to look at facts, like how long someone can go without insulting someone or getting banned from a forum.

Modifié par AntiChri5, 06 novembre 2011 - 04:19 .

[Bad King]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Bad King wrote...

^Looking forward to seeing Udina give the other council members hell when Shepard presents them with news of the invasion.

I'm sure he'll become the badguy. He has an abrasive personality and on a personal level he is not very likable. Thus he must always be a badguy.

Depth!

Oh god, I hope not. I didn't like what they did with him in Inquisition, if they retcon him into being an evil baddie then I will facepalm hard.

[Seboist]

I'm afraid Saph isn't far from the mark here, our boy Udina barely had any screentime in ME2 and was goofed on in the LOTSB vids. Hopefully Anderson dies to make up for it.

[AntiChri5]

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...

[quote]AntiChri5 wrote...

As diversion tactics go...[/quote]

You seem to be employing them yourself.

I'll ask again: Why is TIM not trustworthy? Go on, answer me. I'll HAVE to respond this time so do it. This is your chance.[/quote]

Actually, im not, since i already made my arguments and you ignored them. They haven't gone anywhere, mate.

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...
[quote]AntiChri5 wrote...

I prefer to look at facts,[/quote]

I find this statement questionable.[/quote]

Oh no. I shall go cry into my hanky. 

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...
[quote]AntiChri5 wrote...

like how long someone can go without insulting someone or getting banned from a forum.

[/quote]

I believe you are saying this in an attempt to insult me. That is hypocritical considering what you've just said in your last several posts. [/quote]

It isn't hypocritical to insult someone who insults you. It is holding your ground.

[quote]That is not very surprising though because you have always been a hypocrite in my experience, AntiChri5.[/quote][/quote]

I find this statement questionable.

(see, i can make inane replies with no real content apart from "NO U!" as well )


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[knightnblu]

You know, this reminds me of when I go crabbing. When you empty your traps and put the crabs in a pot to be boiled, oftentimes many will try to crawl out of the pot on top of the other crabs. Unfortunately as they near the top of the pot, they are caught by the other crabs and pulled back down sealing their fate. I view your assessment of Anderson in this light.
 
Rather than to recognize the tactical and strategic difficulties that the man overcame in order to deal what he believed to be a death blow to Cerberus, you instead criticize him for not being a model Alliance officer and suggest that he either be jailed or booted out of the service and his accomplishments be damned. It is precisely because of this reaction that much of what is done to protect the citizenry from harm must be classified and compartmentalized.
 
I do not criticize your stance because you are clearly demonstrating human nature, but because we all share that nature we need those rare individuals who can do what must be done while everybody else is kept in the dark about it. Anderson is merely one such individual. The day we remove all blinders and reveal the totality of the truth to the people is the day that society disintegrates and resolves into bloodshed and chaos.
 
While the process may sometimes be painful, it is nevertheless necessary.

[Selene Moonsong]

Since this topic has ended up more a battle as opposed to discussion, time to give it a rest.