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[MagicSwordKing]

Origin has completely soured me on EA games through the PC, which is unfortunate since I just built a monster rig to get the most out of everything I play. The extent of the Origin involvement seems to be roughly the same as the "EA Account" stuff in Mass Effect 2, at first glimpse. Gameplay feedback, communication with bioware servers, just now EA has slapped their logo feces all over what was generally an unobtrusive and non-objectionable part of the game.

Yeah, multiplayer on PC will probably be bound up so tightly in Origin baggage that there could be problems, but while I'll admit the multiplayer intrigues me, I'm here to see the story of Commander Shepard. From the single-player demo I played at New York Comic Con I really enjoyed the additions to the combat system and leveling mechanics for Engineer. That combat drone and sentry turret are going to make Engies the ultimate cover-busters as far as forcing the enemies out into open terrain.

[Customz]

onelifecrisis wrote...

RyuujinZERO wrote...

 Let's look at this another way....

Whatever was wrong with the old days where you could just INSTALL a game, off a disk, and not have to worry about DRM, cludging up your PC with 3rd party software, online authorisation etc etc etc.


And don't say "since piracy" - because god knows DRM doesn't work at preventing it. Skyrim isn't even OUT yet, and it's already been pirated on the xbox.

Actually, Ubisoft's version of Origin (I forget the name) has proven exceptionally good at defeating piracy, but that one does require a constant connection to the Ubisoft servers to play SP games.

To be honest with you, when going on vacation I ended up cracking Assasin's Creed 2 because I wouldn't have permanent internet, so the drm didn't work that well.

As for your tests that's good news. But what I said still stands, just because the game is sp does not mean Origin or anyother game, or game platform for that matter is not connecting to the internet.

I just saw a "funny" video where origin seems to scan people's computer, including Steam's folder O.o, before you even accept the TOS. I'm going to try to reproduce this to see if it's true.

[DeathDragon185]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

 Let's look at this another way....

Whatever was wrong with the old days where you could just INSTALL a game, off a disk, and not have to worry about DRM, cludging up your PC with 3rd party software, online authorisation etc etc etc.

I miss those days.....

[Ianamus]

Because when you install it you have to accept an agreement allowing it to snoop through all of your files and personal information and sell it to third parties (some people had tax information saved on their computer accessed by Origin) And also makes you sign a clause saying that you cannot take EA to court over what Origin accesses.

Apparently the regulations are so intrusive they actually break Germany's privacy laws. I think It's disgusting.

I was sorely tempted, and still am, to just cancel my ME3 pre-order and forget about it if it means installing this intrusive spyware. It's a shame because I love the Mass Effect series, but to be honest I don't think that any developer who is willing to let something like Origin ruin their game deserves my money.

It probably doesn't help that from what I've heard, Origin itself is a very poorly designed program. I seriously hope that Germany's outrage over the whole situation prompts them to change something.

Modifié par EJ107, 06 novembre 2011 - 01:03 .

[WalkingBartie]

EJ107 wrote...

Because when you install it you have to accept an agreement allowing it to snoop through all of your files and personal information and sell it to third parties (some people had tax information saved on their computer accessed by Origin) And also makes you sign a clause saying that you cannot take EA to court over what Origin accesses.

Apparently the regulations are so intrusive they actually break Germany's privacy laws. I think It's disgusting.

I was sorely tempted, and still am, to just cancel my ME3 pre-order and forget about it if it means installing this intrusive spyware. It's a shame because I love the Mass Effect series, but to be honest I don't think that any developer who is willing to let something like Origin ruin their game does't deserve my money.

It probably doesn't help that from what I've heard, Origin itself is a very poorly designed program. I seriously hope that Germany's outrage over the whole situation prompts them to change something.

I fully agree with you. But it isn't fully sure that Origin will be required for ME3. There's still hope.

[Robhuzz]

DeathDragon185 wrote...

RyuujinZERO wrote...

 Let's look at this another way....

Whatever was wrong with the old days where you could just INSTALL a game, off a disk, and not have to worry about DRM, cludging up your PC with 3rd party software, online authorisation etc etc etc.

I miss those days.....

Who was this genious anyway who figured it would be a nice idea to force unwanted 3rd party software upon users as a requirement for installing the software they actually wanted to use?

*sigh* I miss the old days as well

Modifié par Robhuzz, 06 novembre 2011 - 01:03 .

[Aaleel]

twisty77 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Because people don't want EA to know how much porn and piracy they do.

I was about to say: If you don't do anything wrong... 

This a terrible line of reasoning.  That's like saying you shouldn't care if the police pull you over and search your car for no reason because it's not a big deal if you have nothing to hide.  

If I didn't buy if off Origin, I shouldn't need to have Origin running in the background, scanning my entire PC,  using resources while I'm playing a game. 

So if it's required for anything more than activation, I won't be buying any games that require it.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...
Who was this genious anyway who figured it would be a nice idea to force unwanted 3rd party software upon users as a requirement for installing the software they actually wanted to use?

*sigh* I miss the old days as well

I would imagine steam's succses really.

I don't mind using such services when playing a dedicated multiplayer game (TF2, BF etc). But I hate using them when it comes to singleplayer games.

[Customz]

Just finished running origin's setup, up to the TOS which I declined canceling the install. I monitored this with Process Monitor. The setup tried creating files on some other programs' directories, programs I didn't have, namely: nero, quickcam, google toolbar, encarta, daytona usa evolution, creating keepsakes scrapbook designer(wtf!), heavy gear 2)activision game?) and turbo tax 2008, and this was even before installing. It did not attempt to connect to the internet during this period though

[Zkyire]

twisty77 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Because people don't want EA to know how much porn and piracy they do.

I was about to say: If you don't do anything wrong... 

Nobody but myself has any business knowing what's on my computer.

If the Police can't search your home or your computer without a legally-issued warrant, then EA should not be able to search your computer AT ALL.

[Icinix]

I hate anything that requires more than just the game.

I don't need some organisational software for my computer - I already have that.

Its called the Games Folder on F:\\

I don't need your stupid software.

This goes for you too Steam.

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Who was this genious anyway who figured it would be a nice idea to force unwanted 3rd party software upon users as a requirement for installing the software they actually wanted to use?

*sigh* I miss the old days as well

I would imagine steam's succses really.

I don't mind using such services when playing a dedicated multiplayer game (TF2, BF etc). But I hate using them when it comes to singleplayer games.

Exactly. Such services can be useful for setting you up in multiplayer games but it's completely useless for single player games. For me this is just plain annoying because I don't need this extra software. Period. Then when a company says it's 'to make it easier for the players', they're just lying to me. On the contrary, it makes installing games a hassle while it was such a breeze in the old days (Like it should be), this makes it even worse.

I hate anything that requires more than just the game.

I don't need some organisational software for my computer - I already have that.

Its called the Games Folder on F:\\

I don't need your stupid software.

This goes for you too Steam.

I like this human. He understands!

Modifié par Robhuzz, 06 novembre 2011 - 01:26 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...
Exactly. Such services can be useful for setting you up in multiplayer games but it's completely useless for single player games. For me this is just plain annoying because I don't need this extra software. Period. Then when a company says it's 'to make it easier for the players', they're just lying to me. On the contrary, it makes installing games a hassle while it was such a breeze in the old days (Like it should be), this makes it even worse.

Exactly. The less strings attached to my single-player game, the better it is. I really hate when I want to play portal and steam respond "We're unable to connect to the server, please try again later.".

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Exactly. Such services can be useful for setting you up in multiplayer games but it's completely useless for single player games. For me this is just plain annoying because I don't need this extra software. Period. Then when a company says it's 'to make it easier for the players', they're just lying to me. On the contrary, it makes installing games a hassle while it was such a breeze in the old days (Like it should be), this makes it even worse.

Exactly. The less strings attached to my single-player game, the better it is. I really hate when I want to play portal and steam respond "We're unable to connect to the server, please try again later.".

That's just plain frustrating when that happens. It's like Valve WANTS us to pirate games to avoid that kind of DRM.

Anyway, the early verion of GTA IV pc was nothing short of a disaster -pretty similar to BF3 if I have to believe the stories - . First you needed rockstar social club, then you needed to create an account, link it to your windows live tag, update the windows live stuff (or it would not run), then validate and install GTA IV, and then after pressing 'continue' for about 3 times, you could play the game.

Never again rockstar, do you hear me? NEVER AGAIN!

Modifié par Robhuzz, 06 novembre 2011 - 01:33 .

[Hathur]

Sigh... It gets really tiring to hear people complaining about Steam and the fact they have problems connecting to the internet or whatever.

Just enable OFFLINE MODE and Steam will stop trying to connect to the internet -- you don't need a net connection to play Steam games once you enable offline mode.

Why do so few people understand this? The button for it is fairly clear to see under the File Menu 

Modifié par Hathur, 06 novembre 2011 - 01:39 .

[lltoon]

I hate the idiots stating that "oh if you haven't done anything wrong you should have nothing to hide on your PC" mentality.

Please for the record, I'd like to tell them that they are either retarded or immature.

I work in the medical field and I only have one PC at home from which I play my fair share of games, surf the internet, and also do some work on.

Now I sometimes use my PC for *gasp* work. Where I type letters to my medical colleagues concerning patients and more. Those letters of which I send by email or my normal mail after printing.
It's incredibly lucrative for EA to be scanning these files and gathering information, especially when they can sell this information to the likes of insurance companies or any other interested parties to make a profit. The only person that loses here is the patient and their medical records.

I have another friend who is currently working on a book but also uses his PC to play a few games. EA can easily scan his word files and sell his novel ideas to third parties, essentially robbing him of intellectual property before he gets the chance to copyright it.

EA can also scan the computers of other people working for other companies that play games at home, it scans their computers for information regarding other companies, and sell it to third parties. Essentially, corporate espionage.

Before some smart ass comes in saying "why don't you use the computer at work?", of course we use computers at work, but we also take home any unfinished work with us when the work hours are over. It's a practice performed by almost anyone regardless of profession in the working world that involves using computers. It's also, not feasible, for the burden to be placed on the consumer, to buy an entirely new and separate PC at home, just for their games so that they don't get scanned. It's entirely ridiculous.

EA basically data mines our PCs for the prospect of making money off what's on our computers. If it was a piracy issue then, I don't understand why Origin needs to scan uninstalled programs, your email, your word files, photos, and any other documents on your PC which are completely irrelevant to EA's products and games.

Modifié par lltoon, 06 novembre 2011 - 01:43 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Hathur wrote...

Sigh... It gets really tiring to hear people complaining about Steam and the fact they have problems connecting to the internet or whatever.

Just enable OFFLINE MODE and Steam will stop trying to connect to the internet -- you don't need a net connection to play Steam games once you enable offline mode.

Why do so few people understand this? The button for it is fairly clear to see under the File Menu 

Newsflash. Offline mode works like **** for me. Never functioned like it was intented to do, and still waay too unpractical.

[Biotic Sage]

Is there a class action lawsuit going on against Origin now or in the future? Because if so I want in. I don't even game on PC most of the time, and I don't do anything "wrong" like piracy, but Origin is what is WRONG. That s h!t should now be allowed to go on.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 06 novembre 2011 - 01:41 .

[Customz]

Hathur wrote...

Sigh... It gets really tiring to hear people complaining about Steam and the fact they have problems connecting to the internet or whatever.

Just enable OFFLINE MODE and Steam will stop trying to connect to the internet -- you don't need a net connection to play Steam games once you enable offline mode.

Why do so few people understand this? The button for it is fairly clear to see under the File Menu 

Every now and then when I open it on offline mode it informs me it can not connect to servers so that works great...

[Hathur]

Lizardviking wrote...

Hathur wrote...

Sigh... It gets really tiring to hear people complaining about Steam and the fact they have problems connecting to the internet or whatever.

Just enable OFFLINE MODE and Steam will stop trying to connect to the internet -- you don't need a net connection to play Steam games once you enable offline mode.

Why do so few people understand this? The button for it is fairly clear to see under the File Menu 

Newsflash. Offline mode works like **** for me. Never functioned like it was intented to do, and still waay too unpractical.

I have a hard time buying this... I've used Steam on 3 pcs and never have issues with it. You need to enable offline mode while connected to the internet (this is so steam can verify your games are legit).. once you switch to offline mode, you do not need to reconnect to the internet again to play your games UNLESS you disable offline mode.. in which case you'll need to reconnect to the internet to activate offline mode again.

I've at times had my Steam accoutn in offline mode for 3-4 weeks with no net connection and never had problems playing my games... just don't turn offline mode off once you've done so and you won't have problems.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Hathur wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Hathur wrote...

Sigh... It gets really tiring to hear people complaining about Steam and the fact they have problems connecting to the internet or whatever.

Just enable OFFLINE MODE and Steam will stop trying to connect to the internet -- you don't need a net connection to play Steam games once you enable offline mode.

Why do so few people understand this? The button for it is fairly clear to see under the File Menu 

Newsflash. Offline mode works like **** for me. Never functioned like it was intented to do, and still waay too unpractical.

I have a hard time buying this... I've used Steam on 3 pcs and never have issues with it. You need to enable offline mode while connected to the internet (this is so steam can verify your games are legit).. once you switch to offline mode, you do not need to reconnect to the internet again to play your games UNLESS you disable offline mode.. in which case you'll need to reconnect to the internet to activate offline mode again.

I've at times had my Steam accoutn in offline mode for 3-4 weeks with no net connection and never had problems playing my games... just don't turn offline mode off once you've done so and you won't have problems.

Customz wrote...
Every now and then when I open it on offline mode it informs me it can not connect to servers so that works great...

That is what happens every time I tried to activate offline mode.

And still. Even if it worked, having to activate offline mode to play my single-player games is still too many unessecary strings.

[Carfax]

lltoon wrote...

EA basically data mines our PCs for the prospect of making money off what's on our computers. If it was a piracy issue then, I don't understand why Origin needs to scan uninstalled programs, your email, your word files, photos, and any other documents on your PC which are completely irrelevant to EA's products and games.

This is pure foolishness.  You have absolutely no evidence that EA mines data for personal profit, so dispense with the false accusations.

And like I told you in the other thread, Steam does the exact same thing that Origins does, yet you're willing to give them a pass?  Whats to stop Valve from selling your information? 

A lot of software scans the data on your PC on a regular basis, from virus scanners, to Operating systems, to defraggers, to system optimizers, to online games..  If you're that paranoid that your data is going to be stolen from some company and sold on the free market, then you may as well disconnect completely from the internet, because your data is never going to be safe or completely personal in this digital age where information is so easily accessible.

Steam's privacy policy:

Collection and Use of Information

By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information[/b], as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties.

[Raygereio]

Carfax wrote...
This is pure foolishness.  You have absolutely no evidence that EA mines data for personal profit, so dispense with the false accusations.

The intent with which EA did this doesn't even matter. They could be searching for my birthday so that they can send me flowers on the right date for all I care. They have no business searching through my hard drive without my permission and let's not even start on the legal issues.
Oh and the difference between EA and Valve in this case is that - as far as I and the entire Internet for that matter know - Steam asks you if you're okay with it  gathering some information from your computer. Heck, the last time Steam did that, it even showed me what information it gathered before I had to give the final okay to send it to Valve.
Origin doesn't ask and Origin searches through files Steam doesn't touch. Big difference.

Carfax wrote...
A lot of software scans the data on your PC on a regular basis, from virus scanners, to Operating systems, to defraggers, to system optimizers, to online games.

An analogy so false it's absurd: I choose to install that defragger or virus scanner  with full knowledge of what it's going to do: namely scan my hard drive with a benign purpose. In fact doing that are those program's sole purpose, or in the case of the OS critical to it's function.
Again; not so with Origin.

[lltoon]

Raygereio wrote...

Carfax wrote...
This is pure foolishness.  You have absolutely no evidence that EA mines data for personal profit, so dispense with the false accusations.

The intent with which EA did this doesn't even matter. They could be searching for my birthday so that they can send me flowers on the right date for all I care. They have no business searching through my hard drive without my permission and let's not even start on the legal issues.
Oh and the difference between EA and Valve in this case is that - as far as I and the entire Internet for that matter know - Steam asks you if you're okay with it  gathering some information from your computer. Heck, the last time Steam did that, it even showed me what information it gathered before I had to give the final okay to send it to Valve.
Origin doesn't ask and Origin searches through files Steam doesn't touch. Big difference.

Carfax wrote...
A lot of software scans the data on your PC on a regular basis, from virus scanners, to Operating systems, to defraggers, to system optimizers, to online games.

An analogy so false it's absurd: I choose to install that defragger or virus scanner  with full knowledge of what it's going to do: namely scan my hard drive with a benign purpose. In fact doing that are those program's sole purpose, or in the case of the OS critical to it's function.
Again; not so with Origin.

Exactly. Virus scanners and operating systems scans your hard drive but they don't friggin broadcast it over the internet. Carfax gives the worst analogy possible and while it might throw off people who don't know that, it's simply dishonest for him to go that route.

[Alex_SM]

It's clearly stated that Origin:

-> Scans your program folders (and subfolders and files within), system folders and system registry.

-> Opens and modify files.

-> Periodically connects to Amazon, Facebook and some other cloud servers.

Not in my computer.