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[bleetman]

Because even if it was a benevolent, happy-happy-joy-joy online service of wonder and amazement, I'd still resent being made to use it.

Also, aside from the whole system scanning malarkey, let's be honest, shall we? EA don't have the best track record with maintaining their online services a few years down the line. I can't say I'm rolling in optimism that Origin support for various games won't be pulled after a couple of years either. Trust has to be earned.

As far as ME3 is concerned, I'm willing to bet I'll succumb and buy it anyway if Origin is required, gnashing my teeth and howling at the entire thing. I'm just too invested in the series to skip out on the final installment. What I won't be doing is kindling any enthusiasm about whatever comes out of Bioware next. Which is unfortunate, since I imagine it's not really their doing.

[Lumikki]

Kail Ashton wrote...

lol people react to this the same way cavemen first reacted to fire, first it's scarey! then you use it more and that peanut brittle you call a brain realizes if you don't stick your head in it (or in modern terms pirate games) you've nothing to fear

Sorry, but it's not fearing something new. It's realizing where the path leads when it's taken. Meaning it leads surveillance society, where companies can break peoples privacy with excuse that they lose profit or they can't optimize they way to get the profit. It's about when profit comes more important than peoples basic right.

Modifié par Lumikki, 06 novembre 2011 - 06:03 .

[ArkkAngel007]

bleetman wrote...

Because even if it was a benevolent, happy-happy-joy-joy online service of wonder and amazement, I'd still resent being made to use it.

Also, aside from the whole system scanning malarkey, let's be honest, shall we? EA don't have the best track record with maintaining their online services a few years down the line. I can't say I'm rolling in optimism that Origin support for various games won't be pulled after a couple of years either. Trust has to be earned.

As far as ME3 is concerned, I'm willing to bet I'll succumb and buy it anyway if Origin is required, gnashing my teeth and howling at the entire thing. I'm just too invested in the series to skip out on the final installment. What I won't be doing is kindling any enthusiasm about whatever comes out of Bioware next. Which is unfortunate, since I imagine it's not really their doing.

Do you play Valve games by any chance?  I do believe you are forced to use Steam for those. Plus, if you do nothing but just launch the game, what is the issue with Origin being required?  You'll need it for DLC and multiplayer, but aside from that how does it affect your ME3 experience for you to be overly concerned? 

Just trying to understand the issue at hand is all.  

[Gvaz]

Origin:

Spyware
Bloaty
don't need another Steam, deal with it EA
high prices, no real sales

[Lumikki]

Kasai666 wrote...

Because it's apparently spyware. HOWEVER, you can choose to opt out of that part at any time.

No you can't.

It's not anymore opt out choise, because ability play games should not be connected to giving up persons computer privacy.

Yes: to playing game is also yes I want company collect my computers data.
No:  to company collecting data from my computer, means also no to playing game.

There is no option to say no to data collection and still play the game.

Modifié par Lumikki, 06 novembre 2011 - 06:11 .

[SandTrout]

Kail Ashton wrote...

lol people react to this the same way cavemen first reacted to fire, first it's scarey! then you use it more and that peanut brittle you call a brain realizes if you don't stick your head in it (or in modern terms pirate games) you've nothing to fear

First off, if that were true, why not let the government set up cammeras in your home so that they can make sure that you're not building bombs in your basement? We don't want people looking at our stuff against our will. It's not their computer, and we should not give them free access to it frivelously.

Edit: This attitude which some people have that considers blatent invasions of their personal lives acceptable is so incredibly dangerous that it's difficult to express. 

Modifié par SandTrout, 06 novembre 2011 - 06:10 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Kail Ashton wrote...

lol people react to this the same way cavemen first reacted to fire, first it's scarey! then you use it more and that peanut brittle you call a brain realizes if you don't stick your head in it (or in modern terms pirate games) you've nothing to fear

People were the same about Steam, I one of them.  For good reason too, since it was half-broken practically.

All EA has to do is improve their relations with consumers and do some house keeping with Origin, and people will...well not stop complaining, but will pacify most.

[ArkkAngel007]

Post is to SandTrout.  Don't have time to properly edit the quotation.

No one is saying it's acceptable.  It's just that Steam does the very same thing, yet it's just a big deal with Origin because folks don't want their games going through another service.  Plus, it doesn't go through documents and images and anything like that.  If you understood the logistics of it, you'd realize all it does is scan for certain indicators in files and systems associated with the products the service uses.

The EULA was updated, so if information was sold to someone else and you have evidence (certain emails you didn't opt in for, product offerings from services you haven't subscribed to, etc), you can pursue a lawsuit against EA for violating their EULA.

The point is, vaccines cause autism in the way that Origin goes through your email and porn collection.  Which is to say, they don't.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 06 novembre 2011 - 06:21 .

[Lumikki]

Steam can do same thing, but it doesn't have to do same thing. Steam asks the question, do you want to be part of data collection, Orgin client doesn't even ask.

Origin: There is no option to say no to data collection and still play the game.
Steam: There is option to say no to data collection and still play the game.

Basicly both Origin and steam doesn't add anything worth while for me. I play single player games, I have absolute no use for some extra online control sofware what makes everyting just more complicated. I don't want them, I don't need them, I don't like them. So, I don't use them. Meaning also I don't play any game where they are required.

Modifié par Lumikki, 06 novembre 2011 - 06:39 .

[xSTONEYx187x]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

http://www.overclock...ge-germany.html

That seems pretty serious. 



The question is, why do they need/want to know what you are downloading to your HDD? 

[bleetman]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Do you play Valve games by any chance?  I do believe you are forced to use Steam for those. Plus, if you do nothing but just launch the game, what is the issue with Origin being required?  You'll need it for DLC and multiplayer, but aside from that how does it affect your ME3 experience for you to be overly concerned? 

Just trying to understand the issue at hand is all.  

I have a few games that require Steam, but if I can avoid depending on it for my games to function, I will.

My issue with Origin - and Steam to an extent - is that it's a forced burden. If a game is made dependant on it to function, I can't not use it, not legally. And besides this whole 'scanning your hard drive' thing and the frustrating requirement of having something running when you may or may not actually want it running in the first place, I'd want some guarantee that my games will still work a few years down the line. Which, for now, I don't really trust EA to maintain. I'm still sore about them switching off Mercenaries 2 online support seventeen months past release.

It tends to come down to one of my biggest gripes with EA and the like. I'm not begrudging them for wanting to make money, but - for now, especially with this 'I'm in your hard drive, scanning your files' thing - I can't quite shake the feeling that Origin is operating with profit in mind first, customer convenience/experience second. And until I change my mind about that, forcing it upon me isn't doing me any kindness.

Modifié par bleetman, 06 novembre 2011 - 06:26 .

[Mister Mida]

I hate Origin for the same reason I hate Steam. It wants to 'help' me, aka I need to ask permission in order to play the game that I bought. I can avoid Origin because I think EA games suck usually. But it's getting harder to avoid Steam because other publishers try to shove it down my throat for Valve. It's the reason why I'm boycotting Skyrim among other games. And since EA starts to use Origin in a similar way like Valve does Steam, I probably gonna end up boycotting the PC games altogether.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 06 novembre 2011 - 06:33 .

[SandTrout]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Post is to SandTrout.  Don't have time to properly edit the quotation.

No one is saying it's acceptable.  It's just that Steam does the very same thing, yet it's just a big deal with Origin because folks don't want their games going through another service.  Plus, it doesn't go through documents and images and anything like that.  If you understood the logistics of it, you'd realize all it does is scan for certain indicators in files and systems associated with the products the service uses.

Yes, some people are saying that it is acceptable.

Twisty77 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Because people don't want EA to know how much porn and piracy they do.

I was about to say: If you don't do anything wrong... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

Carfax wrote...

And what proof or evidence do you have that Origins is collecting peoples' information for nefarious rather than benign purposes?

Kail Ashton wrote...

lol people react to this the same way cavemen first reacted to fire, first it's scarey! then you use it more and that peanut brittle you call a brain realizes if you don't stick your head in it (or in modern terms pirate games) you've nothing to fear

Edit: To be fair, they are a small minority.

Modifié par SandTrout, 06 novembre 2011 - 06:34 .

[lovgreno]

People don't like to take chances over things like uncertain legal matters and software with equaly uncertain functions. Especialy not after all the hacking of things like Facebook and Sony. And since we realy don't need those Origin games, they are far from essential and there are loads of alternative ways of entertaining ourselves, it's not realy any loss with playing it safe.

[Zjarcal]

bleetman wrote...

Also, aside from the whole system scanning malarkey, let's be honest, shall we? EA don't have the best track record with maintaining their online services a few years down the line. I can't say I'm rolling in optimism that Origin support for various games won't be pulled after a couple of years either. Trust has to be earned.

This is really my only issue with Origin as of now. I was annoyed at it at first but then after I tried it a bit, it didn't seem bad at all. The whole "EA spying on me" thing doesn't bother me in the slightest anymore to be honest, but the issue of EA maintaining the service running in the long run does concern me.

[Lenimph]

Is it wrong that I have faith in EA because both times I had issues with their games they totally helped and solved my problems in a friendly and quick manner?

[ObserverStatus]

Paars wrote...

twisty77 wrote...

I was about to say: If you don't do anything wrong... 

I hate this mentality.

Where you draw the line between right and wrong is mostly subjective, and if you give away all your privacy you may find yourself at the mercy of someone with a very different perspective of right and wrong.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Hathur wrote...
I have a hard time buying this... I've used Steam on 3 pcs and never have issues with it. You need to enable offline mode while connected to the internet (this is so steam can verify your games are legit).. once you switch to offline mode, you do not need to reconnect to the internet again to play your games UNLESS you disable offline mode.. in which case you'll need to reconnect to the internet to activate offline mode again.

I've at times had my Steam accoutn in offline mode for 3-4 weeks with no net connection and never had problems playing my games... just don't turn offline mode off once you've done so and you won't have problems.

That works great in theory, until you are someone like me who moves away to go to grad school and has to start using school servers.  These servers completely block Steam so I cannot get online (without hauling my computer off to Starbucks or something and many gaming rigs are desktops which makes that unfeasible.)  Thus I can never put it in offline mode.  I ended up uninstalling it altogether rather than get pestered with constant "Steam can't connect alerts" and so on.

*Edit* And what I was actually trying to do was to uninstall a game I had legitimately installed via Steam.  I have to be connected to the internet even to uninstall a game?  That's asinine.  I had to uninstall the whole program to get rid of the game.

You could have just deleted local content, either manually or by selecting them in appropriate directory.

I'm not a fan of steam either, but its at least 3x better than Origin, before even accounting for spyware.

Also I got a good lol, people are calling the OP stupid, but he did admit he was an xbox gamer, so we all know its kind of redundant.

The internetz, I just won them.

[ObserverStatus]

Paars wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Paars wrote...

twisty77 wrote...

I was about to say: If you don't do anything wrong... 

I hate this mentality.

Where you draw the line between right and wrong is mostly subjective, and if you give away all your privacy you may find yourself at the mercy of someone with a very different perspective of right and wrong.

My post was intended to oppose the whole 'I didn't do anything wrong so it's fine.' mentality, so I'm not sure why you're quoting me.

idk, why are you quoting me?

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
You could have just deleted local content, either manually or by selecting them in appropriate directory.

I'm not a fan of steam either, but its at least 3x better than Origin, before even accounting for spyware.

Also I got a good lol, people are calling the OP stupid, but he did admit he was an xbox gamer, so we all know its kind of redundant.

The internetz, I just won them.

I'm not a fan of any of them.  I can't stand any DRM/game management more instrusive than a product key.  I ended up using Steam predominately as another chat agent when Skype inevitably lags.

In a perfect world we wouldn't have this issue, but frankly its beyond that time, PC gaming is going to digital distributors, and Steam is probably the largest of them...still they have enough problems that it  is upsetting. I would tolerate Origin if they essentially adopted steams client TOS, functions, and ownership terms.

Reality is, if you want no DRM, consoles are the only way to go. Although frankly I prefer PC gaming despite the deficit of quality games (seems like our market becomes more and more ports/designed for games every year).

[Yuoaman]

I don't like it because it's basically another version of Steam that takes up more space, has less games available, and none of my friends use. I like Steam because there are a wide variety of games I can get through the store and I use the Steam chat as my primary instant messaging program because I can also talk in the middle of a game. Origin I have just so I can get ONE GAME EVENTUALLY.